Is Jesus Soon To Rapture The Church?

[Jacob62]

Your scare tactic only reveals your fear.

God states in Proverbs that foolish people ignore impending calamity and danger, and then just step into it. Prov. 27:12.

 

[daninthelionsden]

God states in Proverbs that foolish people ignore impending calamity and danger, and then just step into it. Prov. 27:12.

And that describes pre-trib to a T

 

[Jacob62]

And that describes pre-trib to a T

Nope. Pre tribbers will avoid the danger of the Tribulation, and the Post tribbers will decide to go through it.

There is still time for them to accept Christ as their Savior. God is good.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Nope. Pre tribbers will avoid the danger of the Tribulation, and the Post tribbers will decide to go through it.

There is still time for them to accept Christ as their Savior. God is good.

So now pre-trib is a requirement for Salvation? Are you serious? A new angle on the scare tactic.

 

[Jacob62]

So now pre-trib is a requirement for Salvation? Are you serious? A new angle on the scare tactic.

Is Jesus your Savior from Wrath?

 

[daninthelionsden]

Is Jesus your Savior from Wrath?

Yes. From His wrath.

 

[Jacob62]

Yes. From His wrath.

Why would He not save you from Satan's wrath?

 

[daninthelionsden]

Why would He not save you from Satan's wrath?

All His disciples were martyred as were many many Christians throughout all of history even today. Why do you believe you are so privileged?

 

[Jacob62]

All His disciples were martyred as were many many Christians throughout all of history even today. Why do you believe you are so privileged?

Not all were martyred. Martyrdom is not God's Plan for all Believers. There is no Scripture stating all Believers are to be martyred.

Scripture is a far superior guide for Doctrine, better than human reasoning.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Not all were martyred. Martyrdom is not God's Plan for all Believers. There is no Scripture stating all Believers are to be martyred.

Scripture is a far superior guide for Doctrine, better than human reasoning.

Jesus stated many times His followers can expect oppression in many forms including martyrdom.
Matthew 5:10
Matthew 5:11
Matthew 5:12
Matthew 10:16
Matthew 10:17
Matthew 10:18
Matthew 10:19
Matthew 10:21
Matthew 10:22
Matthew 10:23
Matthew 10:35
Matthew 10:36
Matthew 24:9
Matthew 24:10

 

[JLB]

He is coming to rapture the Church in the clouds at the Sixth Seal, not at His coming onto the Earth at the end of Seven Years. Praise God for the certainty of His Word.

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

The coming of the Lord is when He gathers His people at the resurrection and rapture, not just the rapture. He descends from heaven with those who are already in heaven with Him to receive their resurrected bodies.


Please read these words that are so plainly written.

• For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.



The raptured saints will be caught up together with the resurrected saints to meet the Lord in the air, in the clouds on His way back to Jerusalem, where He will reign and rule over the earth as King.


Once all the saints are with Him in the air, in the clouds safely above the earth, He will destroy the wicked who are left on earth, especially the antichrist; the lawless one, the man of sin, the false messiah.


Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 4:17-5:4

• the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

again

• And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

If you study the places in the Bible that teach us about His coming you will discover that His coming is of course the Second Coming of Christ, which is called the Day of the Lord or Day of Christ.



Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives...
Zechariah 14:1-4





JLB

 

[Jacob62]

Jesus stated many times His followers can expect oppression in many forms including martyrdom.
Matthew 5:10
Matthew 5:11
Matthew 5:12
Matthew 10:16
Matthew 10:17
Matthew 10:18
Matthew 10:19
Matthew 10:21
Matthew 10:22
Matthew 10:23
Matthew 10:35
Matthew 10:36
Matthew 24:9
Matthew 24:10

Has it happened to yourself?

 

[daninthelionsden]

Has it happened to yourself?

Somewhat. To a degree, but not anywhere like it is happening now in Africa and the Middle East. You can see for yourself if you subscribe to the Voice Of The Martyrs magazine.

 

[Jacob62]

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

The coming of the Lord is when He gathers His people at the resurrection and rapture, not just the rapture. He descends from heaven with those who are already in heaven with Him to receive their resurrected bodies.


Please read these words that are so plainly written.

• For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.



The raptured saints will be caught up together with the resurrected saints to meet the Lord in the air, in the clouds on His way back to Jerusalem, where He will reign and rule over the earth as King.


Once all the saints are with Him in the air, in the clouds safely above the earth, He will destroy the wicked who are left on earth, especially the antichrist; the lawless one, the man of sin, the false messiah.


Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 4:17-5:4

• the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman.

again

• And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

If you study the places in the Bible that teach us about His coming you will discover that His coming is of course the Second Coming of Christ, which is called the Day of the Lord or Day of Christ.



Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives...
Zechariah 14:1-4





JLB

Please work to undertaken information directly relevant to the stated topic of this thread. The specific time under reference in this thread is the false identification of the Seven Year 70th. Week being called the "Great Tribulation." It is not.

Far flung perspectives within a rambling framework accomplish little or nothing for the Gospel. As well, claiming to speak for an imaginary "We" is of no benefit.

Thanks for understanding. Blessings.

 

[Jacob62]

Somewhat. To a degree, but not anywhere like it is happening now in Africa and the Middle East. You can see for yourself if you subscribe to the Voice Of The Martyrs magazine.

You admit you have not been persecuted.

 

[daninthelionsden]

You admit you have not been persecuted.

I think the term I used was "somewhat" and that is fitting.

 

[JLB]

Please work to undertaken information directly relevant to the stated topic of this thread. The specific time under reference in this thread is the false identification of the Seven Year 70th. Week being called the "Great Tribulation." It is not.

I agree.

The great tribulation is 3 1/2 years, 1260 days, or a time, times and a half of time, depending on which book you are reading.


It’s the last 3 1/2 years of Daniels 7th week.




JLB

 

[Jacob62]

I think the term I used was "somewhat" and that is fitting.

Persecution has nothing to do with a feeling of "somewhat."

Jesus never spoke of "somewhat persecution." Trying to edit the specifications of God's Word to suit human notions is disobedience.

 

[Jacob62]

I agree.

The great tribulation is 3 1/2 years, 1260 days, or a time, times and a half of time, depending on which book you are reading.


It’s the last 3 1/2 years of Daniels 7th week.




JLB

Jesus stated in Matthew 24 the Tribulation is the year preceding Daniel's 70th. Week.

 

[JLB]

Jesus stated in Matthew 24 the Tribulation is the year preceding Daniel's 70th. Week.

You will have to use scripture if you want me to respond and answer your questions.




JLB