Is Jesus the Messiah?

[GraceBwithU]

einstein,
Before we go any further...are you Jewish sir?

 

[kenan]

The fact of the matter is that, looking biblically, Jesus Christ makes his deity perfectly clear by fulfilling all messianic prophecy as well as accepting worship, forgiving sins, and performing miracles - things only God has the ability to do (illustrating his divinity).

However, the key phrase in the previous paragraph is "looking biblically,"The argument that you're going to hear from those who do not believe Jesus is the messiah is that the bible is a false testament of who Jesus is. My experience dictates the non-believers say early Christians wrote false accounts of what Jesus said for whatever reason.

The question is not one of what the scriptures say, but what scriptures are being taken into account.

Supposing that the apostles and early christians wrote false accounts of what Jesus said and what He did, or that the scripts have been tampered with throughout the ages to distort the truth. Does Jesus fulfill the prophesies in the OT to be the Messiah?

 

[einstein]

einstein,
Before we go any further...are you Jewish sir?

How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?

 

[GraceBwithU]

einstein,
Before we go any further...are you Jewish sir?

How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?

Just an honest question...Why would you be afraid to answer? I have nothing against Jews...I was married to one.

 

[einstein]

Fear? Fear of what? It's not a question of being afraid. I simply regard my own religious beliefs as a private affair. You can draw your own conclusions as to my perspective from my posts. :smt039

 

[GraceBwithU]

Fear? Fear of what? It's not a question of being afraid. I simply regard my own religious beliefs as a private affair. You can draw your own conclusions as to my perspective from my posts. :smt039

Why would you not answer such a simple question? I am not ashamed of my faith. I am Christian. I was saved when I was 9 years old. I believe in Jesus. Not just as a man or prophet, but what He is.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV

John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV

The Word was God. Word=God

The word was made flesh. (Jesus) Word=Jesus

Word=God, Jesus= word, therefore Jesus=God. It is that simple. A=B, C=A, therefore C=B

And as far as your religious beliefs go, I could misunderstand your post. The question is not one that most people would avoid to answer. Most people are very upfront about their religious belief. However, you shy from stating it. Why is that? :

How could anyone take the post of a person seriously that is ashamed of his faith to the point that he will not even proclaim it?
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[einstein]

What if I told you I was Buddhist? What difference does it make? Just respond to what I have posted. The discussion centers around your assertion that Jesus is the Messiah. When you enter a debate or discussion with someone do you always ask them personal questions about their religion, sexual orientation, political affiliations? That's just bizarre. Debate the issue-plain and simple. Does anyone else have an opinion about this matter? :crazyeyes:

 

[biblecatholic]

What if I told you I was Buddhist? What difference does it make? Just respond to what I have posted. The discussion centers around your assertion that Jesus is the Messiah. When you enter a debate or discussion with someone do you always ask them personal questions about their religion, sexual orientation, political affiliations? That's just bizarre. Debate the issue-plain and simple. Does anyone else have an opinion about this matter? :crazyeyes:

einstein,

It's pretty common for people to ask questions about ones philosophy. It is not meant to insult but just to have a better understanding where someone is coming from. Many of us here disagree with each other on some issues, but most of us here don't hold to the maxim that religion & philosophies can be private. It's your philosophy, which if important, it can't just be put aside in your thinking unless you disassociate

 

[GraceBwithU]

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[Drew]

What if I told you I was Buddhist? What difference does it make? Just respond to what I have posted. The discussion centers around your assertion that Jesus is the Messiah. When you enter a debate or discussion with someone do you always ask them personal questions about their religion, sexual orientation, political affiliations? That's just bizarre. Debate the issue-plain and simple. Does anyone else have an opinion about this matter? :crazyeyes:

I have to agree the founder of general relativity here. This issue should be discussed on its merits and it merits alone. In the past, I have presented arguments and then been asked things like "are you a catholic". I do not see the question posed to einstain as insulting or even overly personal. Its just that it distracts from the real question: what is are the characteristics of the Jewish Messiah and does Jesus fulfill them?

 

[Dunzo]

No trolling people and stay on target. 8-)

OK...how is this...Jesus is the messiah and many scriptures prove it.
:wink:

Yeah, they prove Jesus is the messiah in the same way they prove that the earth is flat and rests on pillars.

 

[kenan]

The question "Is Jesus the Messiah?" is still unanswered here. All the arguments that are not answering this question should be moved to separate topics or taken to PM.

Is Jesus the Messiah according to the Old Testament?

 

[GraceBwithU]

What if I told you I was Buddhist? What difference does it make? Just respond to what I have posted. The discussion centers around your assertion that Jesus is the Messiah. When you enter a debate or discussion with someone do you always ask them personal questions about their religion, sexual orientation, political affiliations? That's just bizarre. Debate the issue-plain and simple. Does anyone else have an opinion about this matter? :crazyeyes:

I have to agree the founder of general relativity here. This issue should be discussed on its merits and it merits alone. In the past, I have presented arguments and then been asked things like "are you a catholic". I do not see the question posed to einstain as insulting or even overly personal. Its just that it distracts from the real question: what is are the characteristics of the Jewish Messiah and does Jesus fulfill them?

Your point is well made. Back to the subject.

 

[einstein]

I would like to thank those would posted their opinions regarding personal preferences. I await response to my last relevant post regarding the question at hand. :D

 

[GraceBwithU]

The question "Is Jesus the Messiah?" is still unanswered here. All the arguments that are not answering this question should be moved to separate topics or taken to PM.

Is Jesus the Messiah according to the Old Testament?

I suppose you call Mary meeting these two very stringent requirements a strange coincidence and nothing more. These were conditions given in the book of Numbers in the Old Testament.

Of course there is more, much more.

 

[GraceBwithU]

einstein,

Isa 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
KJV

How sir can the geneology of the biological father pass to one through a virgin.

John 9:39-41
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
KJV
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ohn 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
KJV

 

[GraceBwithU]

Notwithstanding that BOTH genealogies contradict those in the Tanakh (which were compiled by Ezra and Nehemiah centuries before the gospel authors

How could the Tanakh record the geneology of Mary...she was not yet born.

 

[GraceBwithU]

einstein,

Isa 40:3-5
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
KJV

Guess who this is taking about.

John 1:22-23
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
KJV

Luke 3:3-5
3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
KJV

 

[GraceBwithU]

3) Even if you ASSUME that Luke's genealogy is Mary's it does not conform to the requirements of the Davidic covenant that clearly states that the Mashiach must be a descendant of David through his son Solomon

The two genealogies also fulfill the Davidic Covenant. He inherited the throne of Solomon through Joseph and seed of David through Mary. (2 Samuel 7:12-16)

After Solomon the kingdom became divided under Rehoboam. Since that time only one king has been crowned from the house of David that will reign of a united Kingdom and He was crowned with thorns.

:wink:

 

[GraceBwithU]

No trolling people and stay on target. 8-)

OK...how is this...Jesus is the messiah and many scriptures prove it.
:wink:

Yeah, they prove Jesus is the messiah in the same way they prove that the earth is flat and rests on pillars.

Humm...explain :smt017