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Is Masonry A Sweet Little Kitty Or Dragon?

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Is masonry a sweet little kitty, or is it a dragon under the sea of peoples. If I pulled it up by its paw, would I find a dragon or a cute little kitty. And that dragon stood on the shore of the sea, and in her was found the blood of prophets, and saints, and a very great multitude that were killed in the world. Rome is like a cage for a hateful unclean bird; like that of a two headed eagle. And I saw until those sheep were devoured by the dogs and eagles and kites, and they left neither flesh or skin nor tendon remaining on them, till only their bones stood there; and their bones also fell to the earth, and the sheep became few. And then there is also the dragon of the earth. And as I was watching, another beast came up out of the earth; and it had two horns like a lamb, but it also spoke like a dragon. One of the horns looked like a republic, but the other looked like a democracy; And as for those lambs, they arrived in a chariot pulled by white horses. And so I end this short riddle about behemoth and leviathan, and I ask you, what is your opinion?
 
To answer your riddle,

Humanity often needs a person or a group to denigrate and exile so as to create within themselves and others community. Some Christians appear to need conspiracy theories, or paranoia.

I see nothing wrong with Freemasonry.
 
freemasonry has the belief that all religions are equal and that works not the salvation of the cross gets one to heaven, not exactly christian.

i have went to a seminar given by a former mason on what is masonry.

they worship the god jeshbalon, ie secret handshakes, and there's the oaths.
 
Tissue said:
To answer your riddle,

Humanity often needs a person or a group to denigrate and exile so as to create within themselves and others community. Some Christians appear to need conspiracy theories, or paranoia.
Is that to say there is no such thing as conspiracies?

I see nothing wrong with Freemasonry.
Well, if you have no knowledge of it then.....
 
Tissue said:
To answer your riddle,

Humanity often needs a person or a group to denigrate and exile so as to create within themselves and others community. Some Christians appear to need conspiracy theories, or paranoia.

I see nothing wrong with Freemasonry.
So then, you think I would find a cute and harmless little kitty!
 
Did you know that every president of the United States has been a member of secret society. How come that is not taught in our schools? It's a important part of history.
 
RND said:
Well, if you have no knowledge of it then.....

When did I say I know nothing about Freemasonry?

Disagreeing with you is not tantamount to having no knowledge on an issue, friend.

freemasonry has the belief that all religions are equal and that works not the salvation of the cross gets one to heaven, not exactly christian.

i have went to a seminar given by a former mason on what is masonry.

they worship the god jeshbalon, ie secret handshakes, and there's the oaths.

http://www.nhgrandlodge.org/___Becoming ... mason.html

"It is never a forum for discussion of religion, politics, or other partisan affairs. Finally, it is not a secret society as it does not conceal its existence, or its purpose."

I'm not certain who taught your seminar, but I think it might be worthwhile to be more critical of what you hear.
 
from a former mason himself and it was verified by an active member of th localblue lodge.
even though he argued that masonry wasnt evil, and tried to explain that muslim masonry , and a hebrew mason and christian mason could all be accepted by christ for being masons.

next thing you will tell me is the jw's are ok and dont believe that were raised in when talk about the falsehoods of it.

i was raised in the jw's and know much better than those on the outside what it is. do i know evrything .no. they have changed the doctrine on somethings.

so if i was a former mason would you say that to me?

the person that gave that info was a mormon, (i must correct myself), and had others that traveled with him to tell their story and also showed how masonry was infuential in the lds church and doctrine.

masons do a lot of good , but that doesnt mean a christian should join himself to them.

washington and many of the founders were masons. our dollar bill has the masonic/illumanti symbol of what they call god. they dont call him what we do. no true christian doctrine uses the all seeing eye as the LORD, or call satan ,lucifer good and adonai(our lord) evil.
 
So what is the history of the Jesuits, Masons, Free Masons, Illuminati, and any other such societies? You say they are harmless little kitties. :chin
 
jasoncran said:
from a former mason himself and it was verified the a former member of a blue lodge.

I'm not sure what to say. You have to understand where I'm coming from. From all of my reading of Freemasonry (primary documents, stories from members, etc), I hold my current position: it is ok. Then, one day, a single person on an internet forum tells me a story that he heard from a guy who used to be a Mason that they do all of this stuff that's not in any of the materials.

I'm going to have to stick with what I already believe, until you can provide more compelling evidence.

and if you edit your earlier let us know before hand that's rude.

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I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
i edited my post when i rechecked it. and added my apologies.

so when i post on jw's you will treat me the same then. as i was a jw.
 
mdo757 said:
So what is the history of the Jesuits, Masons, Free Masons, Illuminati, and any other such societies? You say they are harmless little kitties. :chin

Masons and Freemasons are the same thing.

The Society of Jesus (Jesuits) is a Catholic religious order, and is certainly not evil.

I don't know much about the Illuminati. As far as I know, they aren't related to the Freemasons, except that the founder of the Illuminati apparently modeled the society on some of the proceedings of the Freemasons (albeit making a number of changes).
 
Jehovah's Witnesses are unorthodox.

This is really getting off-topic.
 
freemason and the elks(best people on earth) and also the shiners have a relationship, after the 23rd degree mason level one can become an elk or shiner, women must go into order of the eastern star.
 
What? Masonry is not a secret society?

It holds secret initiations inside buildings it calls a temple. It has secret passwords, handshakes and signs that only its members know. And those signs are used to advantage in public life, because masons are holden to advance and even protect other brother masons that show those signs. They also take oaths of secrecy. They not only teach about eastern religious traditions, but also traditions involving Solomon's temple and it's building and religous history of those times. And not too long ago, in a Lodge in (NY?), there was a handgun accident during one of the initiations. Earlier in American history, around the 1900's, there was a sanctioned murder involving a certain lodge that came to light in the U.S., and masonry became very unpopular in America during that era.

For those truly interested in learning more, I highly recommend the book 'Proofs Of A Conspiracy' by the English naturalist John Robison (1789). John Robison was an ENGLISH MASON.

I've got relatives that were/are masons, and I know several folks that are masons. And those are good people down at heart, and quite a few are Christians. The reason is, they are not part of the higher levels of masonry, what's known as the "greater mysteries". Most masons never reach the higher degrees, it's very selective.

What masonry really is, is a "kitty" at the lower levels, while being a "dragon" at the higher levels.

John Robison wrote his work 'Proofs Of A Conspiracy' to let OTHER MASONS know how continental masonry was being taken over at the higher levels by a secret fraternity called the Illuminati, a fraternity a man named Adam Weishaupt formed in 17th century Bavaria. Weishaupt was a Jewish professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University.

Robison said there are 3 original degrees in English masonry, and that the rest of the lodges of Europe of continental masonry (the continent of Europe) grew out of English masonry. But in his days something was happenning, another group was perverting the original lodges, adding to and seeking to take them over, bringing in occult doctrines and eastern mysticism ideas. Robison documented in his book the Illuminati order's movement among the European lodges in his era from the secret papers the Bavarian police got off one of Weishaupt's dead agents. Within those documents was a master plan to overthrow the governments of Europe, and the Christian Churches in Europe, including the European Monarchs. Because of the discovery of those Illuminati documents, the Illuminati order was banned in Europe by all governments and monarchs. Robison documented Weishaupt saying that if his order were ever discovered publically, it would then go ten times deeper into secrecy thereafter.

John Robison's book is one of only two documented works revealing the Illuminati order, and it's attempt to overtake the high levels of European masonry. The other work was written in the same era by the Abbe Barruel, and the two authors did not know each other.
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Masons and Jesuits may be fearsome dragons, but those claiming they are are certainly no different.
 
It's important to contrast the history of English masonry between Continental masonry (masonry on the European continent). What several of the American founders appear to have been under in early colonial America was English masonry. The Blue lodge ideas from Continental masonry came to America later. During the times of Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington, Weishaupt's Illuminati order was busy trying to take over control of the lodges on the European continent. Near the end of the 17th century, a change in doctrines can be documented among the European lodges (which Robison documented in his work). The Abbe Barruel documented continental masonry's influence in the French Revolution, separate from English masonry.

Because of later influence of continental masonry, it could be why Benjamin Franklin would start up a research group like the Philosophical Research Society, a group which prints some very mystical type works. This may be why some of the early American founders like Franklin and Jefferson had ties to ideas of liberalism and liberal societies in France, while others like John Adams and George Washington held to more conservative issues. Per Robison, the Illuminati had as one of its strategies to create 'reading societies', so as to import controversial issues in the minds of the people and its leaders, for the purpose of creating rebellion against Church dogma of the day, and incite general revolution against the governments and monarchs of Europe. Weishaupt, like Karl Marx, saw the value of controlling the printing press.
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Tissue said:
Still sounds like conspiracy theorizing to me. *shrug*


Maybe you should try reading the documentation I provided, like Robison's work called Proofs Of A Conspiracy. Since Robison himself was an English mason, that point should appeal to all masons that are not afraid to check out the documentation he revealed. One can use terminology like "conspiracy theorizing" all day and it won't make documentation like Robison's go away.
 
I'm reading enough 18th century literature at the moment, friend. I'm sure his book is quite interesting, but I, as a rule, ignore conspiracy theories.
 
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