Is Masonry A Sweet Little Kitty Or Dragon?

[JudaicChristian]

Did some one say the Jesuits were a sweet little kitty?

Jesuit high schools and colleges tend to have quite agressive basketball teams, including the girls' teams.

I 'am aware that there are positive things that can be said about Masons. Like I have said before, I have acquaintances and relatives in the Masons. There is more than one side to a coin.

 

[jasoncran]

tubalcain you care correct since you are at the blue lodge level, i'm refering to red lodge and the shriners and also the york rites and the scottish rites. I work with a mason, I think he is a master mason.

They are the local levels and nation levels and the international levels.

I see no need to continue in this as I would rather wait till the timing is better since you feel insulted by this thread, I have issues with masonry, but i will seek what is the truth and go from there.

 

[ronniechoate34]

I know the bloody history of the Catholic church and the Jesuits. It's already been written, all that the Catholic church has to stand on their lame excuses and promises that they've changed, they are different now,,, and of course,,,that the bad men have all gone away. It's not true. I see the game.


You are welcome to believe that I am ignorant, or just plain stupid, or that "I've got nothing". You can call me whatever you'd like. I won't concern myself with it. I don't know why I would. Just remember that while you are making all of these unrighteous judgments with NOTHING to go on that you have had ample opportunity to judge what is right.

I am not a Catholic and am not interested in "Catholics are de debbil" arguments. Masonry is to Catholicism like a dog is to a chair.

Okay. But the devil is at the top somewhere. There is order to all of this chaos so ultimately all of these things are controlled by the guy at the top, satan.

 

[Tubalcain]

Christianity and Christian monarchs exist because God has ordained it.

If that were so, then god would be evil. There's nothing to support that.

V: And He warned Israel long ago what wishing to have a flesh king like the pagan nations around them would cause.

-----you contradict yourself.

V: fraternities like the Masons have no real power of their own, they're simply being used to help bring about a condition on this earth called the great tribulation

------that's about the silliest thing asserted here.

V: There won't be bowing to any worshipful master


-----The Master of a Lodge is in charge of the lodge, but no mason regards him as a diety. It is a sin to bear false witness against others.

 

[Tubalcain]

tubalcain you care correct since you are at the blue lodge level, i'm refering to red lodge and the shriners and also the york rites and the scottish rites. I work with a mason, I think he is a master mason.

They are the local levels and nation levels and the international levels.

Masons in the U.S. don't have a "red lodge" per se, unless you mean some of the Scottish or York rite bodies, but they're not generally called that. You're just repeating gossip from antimasons.

SR and YR are like "universities" as the Blue Lodge is like high school.

If the man you work with wears a masonic ring, he should be a master mason. He may or may not be YR, SR, or Shrine. They are not "higher" except to antimasons. Most never join them.

Shriners are what is called an "appendant body"....to be a Shriner one must first be a mason. They have no particular ideology or religion.

I see no need to continue in this as I would rather wait till the timing is better since you feel insulted by this thread, I have issues with masonry, but i will seek what is the truth and go from there.

I'm not so much offended by silly antimasonry as appalled. It serves no purpose except to exercise power and control over others. Masons value freedom; as we see here, antimasons value power, up and including royalism.

 

[Tubalcain]

Okay. But the devil is at the top somewhere. There is order to all of this chaos so ultimately all of these things are controlled by the guy at the top, satan.

Where is evidence in this besides assertions?

 

[yepimonfire]

being a former satanist, i know masonry is under total control of satan

just putting that out there

 

[jasoncran]

He has the ring, i do recall that is how i first found that he was a mason. In my hometown we have three lodges and the elks.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Okay. But the devil is at the top somewhere. There is order to all of this chaos so ultimately all of these things are controlled by the guy at the top, satan.

Where is evidence in this besides assertions?

No one on here presents definitive evidence for any of these things. Where's your evidence that it's wrong? Show me and I am sure to find something to come back with. All this amounts to is wasting valuable time and resources. We shouldn't have to go to such great lengths in order to judge what is right.

 

[veteran]

Christianity and Christian monarchs exist because God has ordained it.

If that were so, then god would be evil. There's nothing to support that.

V: And He warned Israel long ago what wishing to have a flesh king like the pagan nations around them would cause.

-----you contradict yourself.

V: fraternities like the Masons have no real power of their own, they're simply being used to help bring about a condition on this earth called the great tribulation

------that's about the silliest thing asserted here.

V: There won't be bowing to any worshipful master


-----The Master of a Lodge is in charge of the lodge, but no mason regards him as a diety. It is a sin to bear false witness against others.

Apparently you're not familiar with what's written about the ordaining of kings within The Bible, and how Israel wanted a flesh king they could see, instead of allowing God to be their only King. God told them what having a flesh king over them would cause. The lesson? There can only be one True King that is Righteous and Pefect, our Lord Jesus Christ. It shows we need Him only. But in the mean time during this present world, God has setup flesh kings over His people like they asked. Some have been oppressors, some have been more just, and many of them, like King James, have defended the Christian Faith. Strange that you would see that as an evil working, since it is from God's hand. I'm an American, but I recognize God's ordaining of kings and queens when it fits the Biblical order.

The secret societies in Europe, especially in the 17th and later centuries, were persecuted by the Church and by monarchs because of groups like Weishaupt's Illuminati order whose secret papers were discovered with a plan to overthrow... all governments, monarchs and the Church. If that hatred against monarchs and the Church continues today, it's because of the subversive ideas those like Weishaupt planted in European Masonry in the 1700's.

 

[Tubalcain]

He has the ring, i do recall that is how i first found that he was a mason. In my hometown we have three lodges and the elks.

The Elks have a bar in their lodge halls.

 

[Tubalcain]

Okay. But the devil is at the top somewhere. There is order to all of this chaos so ultimately all of these things are controlled by the guy at the top, satan.

Where is evidence in this besides assertions?

No one on here presents definitive evidence for any of these things. Where's your evidence that it's wrong? Show me and I am sure to find something to come back with. All this amounts to is wasting valuable time and resources. We shouldn't have to go to such great lengths in order to judge what is right.

Think! If conspiracy theories had validity someone would have squealed.

 

[Tubalcain]

Christianity and Christian monarchs exist because God has ordained it.

If that were so, then god would be evil. There's nothing to support that.

V: And He warned Israel long ago what wishing to have a flesh king like the pagan nations around them would cause.

-----you contradict yourself.

V: fraternities like the Masons have no real power of their own, they're simply being used to help bring about a condition on this earth called the great tribulation

------that's about the silliest thing asserted here.

V: There won't be bowing to any worshipful master


-----The Master of a Lodge is in charge of the lodge, but no mason regards him as a diety. It is a sin to bear false witness against others.

Apparently you're not familiar with what's written about the ordaining of kings within The Bible, and how Israel wanted a flesh king they could see, instead of allowing God to be their only King. God told them what having a flesh king over them would cause. The lesson? There can only be one True King that is Righteous and Pefect, our Lord Jesus Christ. It shows we need Him only. But in the mean time during this present world, God has setup flesh kings over His people like they asked. Some have been oppressors, some have been more just, and many of them, like King James, have defended the Christian Faith. Strange that you would see that as an evil working, since it is from God's hand. I'm an American, but I recognize God's ordaining of kings and queens when it fits the Biblical order.

The secret societies in Europe, especially in the 17th and later centuries, were persecuted by the Church and by monarchs because of groups like Weishaupt's Illuminati order whose secret papers were discovered with a plan to overthrow... all governments, monarchs and the Church. If that hatred against monarchs and the Church continues today, it's because of the subversive ideas those like Weishaupt planted in European Masonry in the 1700's.

I'm not going to argue with assertions of royalism. It's hard pressed to find much support for that position. You might as well argue we go back to medevial weights and measures.

 

[jasoncran]

He has the ring, i do recall that is how i first found that he was a mason. In my hometown we have three lodges and the elks.

The Elks have a bar in their lodge halls.

I'm well aware that some elks like to drink, and of course so do the moose lodges have bars. I dont recall the later having any relation to freemasonry.

 

[ronniechoate34]

Think! If conspiracy theories had validity someone would have squealed.

People have "squealed", as you've put it. Think about that.

 

[JudaicChristian]

No one on here presents definitive evidence for any of these things. Where's your evidence that it's wrong? Show me and I am sure to find something to come back with. All this amounts to is wasting valuable time and resources. We shouldn't have to go to such great lengths in order to judge what is right.

To free one's self of deception, a person needs to be honest with themselves. It also helps to be well studied. For example, Yahshua gave us three words, through which deceptions would come to deceive the very Elect of God. Those words are "Father," "Master," and "Rabbi." These are like spirits going throughout the world to deceive.


Jude 1:4
Because you are unaware that certain men have sneeked in, who are of a ancient order to their condemnation, these ungodly men turn the grace of our God into immorality, and deny that the only God is Yahwah, or that our lord Yahshua is the Messiah.
5. I will remined you although you once knew this, how Yahwah, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that did not believe.
6. Those messengers did not keep their first estate, and they were removed from their place, and He has reserved for them everlasting chains of darkness for that great day of judgment.


Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money/Materialism.


Matthew 23:8
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi/Teacher,' for/and you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.


Luke 16:13
"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money/ Materialism."

 

[veteran]

I'm not going to argue with assertions of royalism. It's hard pressed to find much support for that position. You might as well argue we go back to medevial weights and measures.

Funny you should say that too, because Christ Jesus WILL return and be the ONLY KING, and as written in Isaiah 9, the government shall be upon His shoulders. There's still kings and queens upon thrones in Europe as of this moment too. Even the royal Saudi family still rules in their country today, and that family's royal line goes all the way back to Biblical times too. So I'm not the one being silly here on this matter. The ones being silly are those teaching you to dislike God's ordaining of kings. And it's only because those who hate that ordaining want to rule in their place, just like Satan wants to rule in God's place.

 

[ronniechoate34]

No one on here presents definitive evidence for any of these things. Where's your evidence that it's wrong? Show me and I am sure to find something to come back with. All this amounts to is wasting valuable time and resources. We shouldn't have to go to such great lengths in order to judge what is right.

To free one's self of deception, a person needs to be honest with themselves. It also helps to be well studied. For example, Yahshua gave us three words, through which deceptions would come to deceive the very Elect of God. Those words are "Father," "Master," and "Rabbi." These are like spirits going throughout the world to deceive.


Jude 1:4
Because you are unaware that certain men have sneeked in, who are of a ancient order to their condemnation, these ungodly men turn the grace of our God into immorality, and deny that the only God is Yahwah, or that our lord Yahshua is the Messiah.
5. I will remined you although you once knew this, how Yahwah, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that did not believe.
6. Those messengers did not keep their first estate, and they were removed from their place, and He has reserved for them everlasting chains of darkness for that great day of judgment.


Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money/Materialism.


Matthew 23:8
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi/Teacher,' for/and you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.


Luke 16:13
"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money/ Materialism."

Not too many people will accept the Bible as proof of anything. It works for me though.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Not too many people will accept the Bible as proof of anything. It works for me though.

Yes, I know. For some reason they do not see how it is relevant to yesterday and today.