GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I'd agree totally. Except that persons keep bringing up these people who were heretics and I don't know why. I've had to learn about Augustine because he is always mentioned by the reformed faith and because of his teaching on Original Sin. Others mentioned a lot are Pelagius and Arminius --- both of which I have not studied.Hi
I am not sure what all Pelagian or Augustine taught but in the end it does not matter since the Bible is the only repository of God's truth.
If your statement is true,,,why do we need salvation?From the Bible I can see that man is born innocent and without sin and in a safe position before God.
Do you have some scripture for your belief?
At what point do we become "unsafe"?
Man is born with free will.Man is also born with a free will and not born tainted with total depravity where he can only can choose evil unless or until he is directly, miraculously 'acted' upon first by God to 'enable' him to choose good.
Man is not born with total depravity,,,but man IS born depraved.
Romans 3:10
as it is written,
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
The story of Adam and Eve disproves your idea that man is born innocent.God did not create Adam and Eve with sin nor with a totally depraved nature (Eccl 7:29) yet they still sinned. All that is necessary for one to be a sinner is law to exist (not eat of a certain tree) and transgression of that law. Therefore OS nor total depravity is not necessary for one to be a sinner, just a free will in choosing to disobey God's law.
God created A and E perfectly.
The fall caused them to lose preternatural gifts.
Everyone that is born after them is born with the EFFECTS of their sin.
Cain killed his brother. Why do you suppose that is? Because Cain was born with the sin nature that tends one to lean toward sin. This is due to the effect of Adam's sin. There would have been no murder if Adam had not fallen into sin.
I agree that we have a free will to obey or disobey God.
However, if we are not born again as Jesus stated in John 3:3 we cannot be saved even if we obey all the commandments. What saves is faith and THEN obedience.
He who believes is saved...he who does not obey will incur the wrath of God.
John 3:36
Do you think I'm a calvinist?Even after Adam sinned, man still continued to have free will untainted by total depravity. We can see from the words God spoke to Cain in Gen 4:7 Cain had free will to choose to either do well or choose to not do well. God tells Cain to rule over sin, have dominion over sin. If Cain had total depravity he could not do this. If Cain had total depravity God would have known it also and it would make no sense in God requiring something from Cain God knew Cain could not possibly do due to his depraved nature.
Of course the above is true.