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Is obeying the Lord and His Commandments required for salvation?
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Tradidi
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I will set it up.
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There will be no doctrines taught other than the doctrines of Christ found from Genesis to Revelations. Any other religious doctrines that do not line up with the word of God will be deleted upon the discretion of the Administrators. This is a Christian forum, not a Catholic forum or any other religious forum.
The topic of discussion is "Is obeying the Lord and His commandments required for salvation". These requirements are found in the Bible as we search and discuss scripture only for what has already been written and not man's socially acceptable doctrines that lead others astray from truth.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
The biggest deception Satan can use is to confuse the unlearned mind. God said his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. This is a pretty profound statement that holds so much truth. This is why this world is in the shape it is in today with so many religions claiming they are the true religion and only they will go to heaven and those who do not conform to their ways will go to hell.
If anyone has a problem with this feel free to PM me and we can discuss this in greater detail. I will be out of town until Sunday afternoon and will respond to you when I get back home.
Please stay on topic or your post will be deleted.
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There will be no doctrines taught other than the doctrines of Christ found from Genesis to Revelations. Any other religious doctrines that do not line up with the word of God will be deleted upon the discretion of the Administrators. This is a Christian forum, not a Catholic forum or any other religious forum.
The topic of discussion is "Is obeying the Lord and His commandments required for salvation". These requirements are found in the Bible as we search and discuss scripture only for what has already been written and not man's socially acceptable doctrines that lead others astray from truth.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
The biggest deception Satan can use is to confuse the unlearned mind. God said his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You forget me and my word and I will forget you and your children. This is a pretty profound statement that holds so much truth. This is why this world is in the shape it is in today with so many religions claiming they are the true religion and only they will go to heaven and those who do not conform to their ways will go to hell.
If anyone has a problem with this feel free to PM me and we can discuss this in greater detail. I will be out of town until Sunday afternoon and will respond to you when I get back home.
Please stay on topic or your post will be deleted.
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Ernest T. Bass
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My point was that the CONTEXT of Romans 7 has to do with the OT law and the struggle of keeping the OT requirement of perfect, flawless law keeping in order to be justified by that law. The requirement of perfect law keeping would put a person in bondage to sin.
As far as flesh, there is nothing wrong with flesh in and of itself. God came to earth in flesh. The issue with flesh are the desires God created in the flesh, desire for food, water, shelter, companionship etc. Having these desires is not sinful. Not having control over them and giving into them is sinful. Man is responsible for self control which involves free will. Therefore sinning comes about due to choices made, and not forced to sin by a nature one is born with.
Adam and Eve had desires but had all in the garden to fulfill those desires....they had all they needed for food. But they had to have the one forbidden thing. Their desire, lust for what was forbidden and choosing to eat it was sin. They were not created with a sin nature that made them to sin against their will. A law and their choosing to break that law in having no self control brought about sin.
Prycejosh1987
Member
Those that love Jesus obey his teaching, and in his teaching he talks about following the commandments that are a summary of the law.
Actually, Romans 7 is about Paul’s struggle in learning how to walk in the Spirit, as a Christian, and him giving his perspective as a Pharisee who only understood trying to keep the law to be saved.
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 7:23-8:1
JLB
It starts with obeying the Gospel.
Then once we are saved, and have a new nature empowered by the Spirit, we obey His commandments and His teachings, which define for us the way of love; loving God and loving His people.
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
JLB
I know that, but what does that mean, specifically? No offense, but your answer doesn't tell us anything. If there's something(s) that must be done to obey to receive salvation there has to be specific requirements associated so we
can know what to address and know when we've achieved them or it doesn't help. It's like if I said "meet me in los angeles and I'll give you the money", but don't tell you where specifically to meet, it's meaningless
Thank you for the question. Excellent.
Short answer: Confess Jesus as Lord
The way we obey the Gospel is to repent.
The way we demonstrate our obedience (obedience of faith) to this command of turn to God, is by confessing Jesus as Lord.
See Romans 10:9-10
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Repent means means “turn to God” (in submission to Him as Lord).
If we are called to turn to God, then we are by default called to turn away from Satan as our lord.
This is what Jesus commissioned Paul to do.
Paul recounts this dialog between him and the Lord.
Words of Christ in red:
I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:17-20
- that they should repent, turn to God
Again —
The way we demonstrate our obedience to this command of turn to God, is by confessing Jesus as Lord.
This was known in those days, when one kingdom would go out to conquer and overthrow another kingdom.
The conquering kingdom would announce the “Gospel”, the unconditional terms of surrender….
Example:
”Turn away from the king you are serving and bend the knee to the king of Babylon or you will die.
“Bending the knee”; or bowing the knee meant you were recognizing the new king as your new master or lord and we’re submitting to his authority.
JLB
So, in order to truthfully confess Him as Lord, wouldn't one first have to believe He is the Lord? You didn't include how the first part comes about - that is, how is a faith obtained that leads unto confession?
God through Paul opened their eyes because they were unable do so of themselves. However, God first had to give them eyes that could see and a mind that could perceive. Paul's preaching, (again through God, the Holy Spirit) would then turned them to the light.
[Jhn 12:37 KJV]
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
[Jhn 12:39-40 KJV]
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
In this context faith comes by hearing the Gospel message.
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17
The enabling power comes from the Gospel, the power of God unto salvation.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16
This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:32-41
JLB
Love God above all else, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
On this hang all the Law and prophets.
That is all encapsulating.
Faith comes by hearing, but the ABILITY (spiritual hearing) to hear comes from being born-again. Spiritual hearing is in view in these verses, not physical hearing - many can physically hear the Gospel, few can respond to it. The only way someone can, is if first given spiritual ears by the Holy Spirit
[Mar 4:9 KJV]
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Mar 4:11-12 KJV]
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all [these] things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.