Is physical pain experienced in hell?

[Guest]

If a person is dead, they do not experience pain.

Incorrect. Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

 

[TimothyW]

Sorry urk, Eternal pain is not the only kind of eternal punishment there is. The eternal punishment is death, since the wages of sin is death. Death is punishment, and it certainly is eternal.

According to the Bible (John 3:16) those who do not receive eternal life will perish. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death, not eternal conscious torment.
(See my previous post), Matthew 25:46 does not prove that the wicked go to hell when they die where they are kept alive forever in pain while they are dead. Matthew 25:46 says that the punishment is eternal. You and I agree that it is. We disagree on whether that punishment is eternal conscious pain or death. According to the Bible, the punishment is death. (Romans 6:23) Those of us who believe the Bible believe that the wages of sin is death, the penalty is eternal destruction, (2 Thess 1:9) not eternal pain.

 

[John 8:32]

Sorry urk, Eternal pain is not the only kind of eternal punishment there is. The eternal punishment is death, since the wages of sin is death. Death is punishment, and it certainly is eternal.

According to the Bible (John 3:16) those who do not receive eternal life will perish. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death, not eternal conscious torment.
(See my previous post), Matthew 25:46 does not prove that the wicked go to hell when they die where they are kept alive forever in pain while they are dead. Matthew 25:46 says that the punishment is eternal. You and I agree that it is. We disagree on whether that punishment is eternal conscious pain or death. According to the Bible, the punishment is death. (Romans 6:23) Those of us who believe the Bible believe that the wages of sin is death, the penalty is eternal destruction, (2 Thess 1:9) not eternal pain.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

You are absolutely correct Tim. Either the punishment is eternal death (Mal 4:1-3) or this scripture is not true. Now if this scripture is not true, why believe any of the others?

 

[WIP]

According to the Bible (Romans 6:23) the wages of sin is death. If a person is dead, they do not experience pain.

How do we know this? What about scripture where Jesus talks of "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"

 

[Guest]

According to the Bible (John 3:16) those who do not receive eternal life will perish.

Yes, perish but not cease to exist.

According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death, not eternal conscious torment.

According to the Bible I read, it says torment. Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 does not prove that the wicked go to hell when they die where they are kept alive forever in pain while they are dead. Matthew 25:46 says that the punishment is eternal. You and I agree that it is. We disagree on whether that punishment is eternal conscious pain or death. According to the Bible, the punishment is death. (Romans 6:23) Those of us who believe the Bible believe that the wages of sin is death, the penalty is eternal destruction, (2 Thess 1:9) not eternal pain.

Well if you read a little bit before that it does talk about hell. It's important to read chapters in full to understand the meaning. Matthew 25:41 does speak about hell. Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Prepared for the devil and his angels is speaking about hell. Fire in hell isn't painful?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

According to the Bible (Romans 6:23) the wages of sin is death. If a person is dead, they do not experience pain.

How do we know this? What about scripture where Jesus talks of "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"

I think weeping and gnashing of teeth could very well mean an awareness of missing out on heaven.
This type of pain is self-inflicted forever.
We will not have bodies.
The pain we experience through our bodies in this life cannot be the same in the spirit world.
If we are tormented forever and ever in the lake of fire, the same as the devil, who is spirit, then it will not be the same as physical pain.

 

[Elijah674]

When the wicked are raised at the end of the 1000 years to die for the sins that are recorded in the Eccl 12 book of records. (it is called the SECOND death) They come out of their graves just as they had died.

Filled with the evil 's'pirit of satan. And do they feel pain? As according to all of their records show will be their judgment. As Christ documents, yet still He says that it is His strange act!

 

[Guest]

If we are tormented forever and ever in the lake of fire, the same as the devil, who is spirit, then it will not be the same as physical pain.

Being separated from God with Satan as your Father and fire all around you is not good. There will be no party in hell.

 

[TimothyW]

According to the Bible (Romans 6:23) the wages of sin is death. If a person is dead, they do not experience pain.

How do we know this? What about scripture where Jesus talks of "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"

Well, putting the two verses together, and assuming that the Bible does not contain contradictions, what do you think? The verse you quoted does not say they weep and gnash forever, does it? And we know for sure that the wages of sin is death, because the Bible says so. I would say that the weeping and gnashing is done before the sentence of death is carried out.

 

[TimothyW]

Yes, perish but not cease to exist.

I don't know what you mean by this. According to the Bible, (Psalm 37:10) the wicked will cease to exist. According to the Bible, the wicked will perish. (Psalm 37:20)

And we have already established that the wages of sin is death.

Well if you read a little bit before that it does talk about hell. It's important to read chapters in full to understand the meaning. Matthew 25:41 does speak about hell. Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Prepared for the devil and his angels is speaking about hell. Fire in hell isn't painful?

This doesn't say that the wicked are conscious in the fire forever, does it? No, it doesn't. Those who depart into the fire are consumed by the fire. They die in the fire. That's what fire does.

According to the Bible I read, it says torment. Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Do you pay attention to the genre of the Book you are reading? Do you tend to take Revelation Literally? Haven't you heard that there is ALOT of symbolism in the book? Should the symbolic passages of Revelation OVERRIDE the clear scripture of the rest of the Bible? is that sound exegesis? According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. If you are correct, then that scripture is wrong. Scripture is not wrong, so you must be wrong. The wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Physical death.
Spiritual death.
Perish.

Lose consciousness for all eternity.

Tormented forever.

Interesting stuff.
No one has put it all together yet.

 

[Guest]

I don't know what you mean by this. According to the Bible, (Psalm 37:10) the wicked will cease to exist. According to the Bible, the wicked will perish. (Psalm 37:20)

You have to read the whole chapter to understand what the Bible is saying here. Psalm 37:10 is talking about how your enemies will flee when you stand up for righteousness. This chapter has nothing to do with hell. If you read further Psalm 37:20 says But the wicked will perish; the enemies of the Lord are like the glory of the pastures; they vanish—like smoke they vanish away. He's talking about how they won't bother you as you walk this earth because of righteousness. Notice that Psalm 37 mentions the word righteousness 10 times.

This doesn't say that the wicked are conscious in the fire forever, does it? No, it doesn't. Those who depart into the fire are consumed by the fire. They die in the fire. That's what fire does.

Eternal punishment is written in scripture. What are the definitions of eternal and punishment. You're grasping at straws.

Do you pay attention to the genre of the Book you are reading? Do you tend to take Revelation Literally?

I take the words in the Bible literally. For example, if you go to dictionary.com it will tell you the definition of torment and punishment. Blessings.

 

[TimothyW]

In your experience using the language, does perish mean die or be tormented alive forever?

My dog perished in a terrible barn fire. He's okay now. If persih doesn't mean perish, then the language doesn't make much sense.

Other than tradition, what reason is there to assume that perish doesn't mean perish and destruction doesn't mean destruction. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. If the tradition of torment never happened, would you read that and think "Yes, the wages of sin is not death, but eternal torment instead of death"? I wouldn't. I decided to just accept what the Bible says, instead of trying to make it say what I think it should say.

 

[Guest]

In your experience using the language, does perish mean die or be tormented alive forever?

My dog perished in a terrible barn fire. He's okay now. If persih doesn't mean perish, then the language doesn't make much sense.

Other than tradition, what reason is there to assume that perish doesn't mean perish and destruction doesn't mean destruction. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. If the tradition of torment never happened, would you read that and think "Yes, the wages of sin is not death, but eternal torment instead of death"? I wouldn't. I decided to just accept what the Bible says, instead of trying to make it say what I think it should say.

I'm done here.

 

[Joe Domingo]

Even if you sinned for 100 years ...

... for God to punish you for all eternity is unjust.

I understand Jesus quite literally, destroy means destroy.

 

[TimothyW]

In your experience using the language, does perish mean die or be tormented alive forever?

My dog perished in a terrible barn fire. He's okay now. If persih doesn't mean perish, then the language doesn't make much sense.

Other than tradition, what reason is there to assume that perish doesn't mean perish and destruction doesn't mean destruction. According to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. If the tradition of torment never happened, would you read that and think "Yes, the wages of sin is not death, but eternal torment instead of death"? I wouldn't. I decided to just accept what the Bible says, instead of trying to make it say what I think it should say.

I'm done here.

I understand. I'll be around if you want to discuss this.

 

[Guest]

[MENTION=96567]TimothyW[/MENTION] There's nothing left to discuss, and there's a reason for that. God's Word will always remain on top at the end of the day. Do you understand that you misinterpreted Psalm 37.

 

[TimothyW]

[MENTION=96567]TimothyW[/MENTION] There's nothing left to discuss, and there's a reason for that. God's Word will always remain on top at the end of the day. Do you understand that you misinterpreted Psalm 37.

God's word seems to matter less to you than your tradition. You insist.that you are right even though you disagree with all of the scriptures that I posted. There is much more. This same message is repeated throughout scripture. I've merely pointed out what the Bible says.
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[Guest]

@TimothyW I have seen many posters come and go on here that preach what you preach. It's nothing new to me. Do you believe Jesus Christ is God deity. What is your belief in who Jesus Christ is. And why in the world did you think Psalm 37 was talking about hell.

 

[Joe Domingo]

The Bible says that God is a consuming fire.
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Hebrews 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire.

It's given in both the Old and New Testament.

I think this settles this thread once for all IMHO.

Fire consumes anything it burns, even metals and rock.

The Word of God is being explicit in describing God's fire. (It is a consuming fire). Unless of course you believe that God is fire, like Sun worshippers do?

Hell or Gehenna - will consume your soul, and you will be no more.