Is Sinning on Purpose Willful Sin ?

[Eugene]

Eugene,
as per post #9-Yes sir but the subject matter, as I perceived it, was about a Lost Man. My direction is settled because I answered the call I never deserved but had I chosen not to, and I had that option when I was without my LORD. Of course, though I knew it not, God knew exactly what I would do. He is amazing, no?

Amen Brother Bill.

 

[Eugene]

All sin is willful. And if you are a Christian, all sin is forgiven. We do not earn our way to heaven. God sent Christ, once for all. Everyone sins, because the flesh is weak and against God. From God's point of view, we who are in Christ, have died. We no longer live but Christ lives in us. So which one of us is willing to say that we are still sinners? No friends. We are saints. Praise God. It's never been up to me. It's all been up to God. Since Jesus finished the work the Father gave Him to do, so are we now complete in Him. Hidden in Christ. FORGIVEN! FOREVER!

Amen Brother @chosen1956. If my salvation had been left to me I'd have no hope at all. Welcome to these Christian forums in Jesus' name.

 

[for_his_glory]

It's when we willfully fall short of following the moral laws and the greatest commandment in them established and commanded by God is when we destined our own self to damnation by governing our own selfish desires making us our own god and not walking in Gods grace which is His free gift of salvation that is given freely to all who will call upon His name. If we are willfully sinning then we will pay the consequences for our sin if we do not repent and reconcile back to God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Eugene]

It's when we willfully fall short of following the moral laws and the greatest commandment in them established and commanded by God is when we destined our own self to damnation by governing our own selfish desires making us our own god and not walking in Gods grace which is His free gift of salvation that is given freely to all who will call upon His name. If we are willfully sinning then we will pay the consequences for our sin if we do not repent and reconcile back to God.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Dear Sister for_his_glory, do you know of any sin you commit that is accidental? If that is true, then Heb 10:26 has condemned all, because Jesus isn't going to die again. There's but one sacrifice and Heb 6:6 says If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Thanks.

 

[chozen1956]

Amen Brother @chosen1956. If my salvation had been left to me I'd have no hope at all. Welcome to these Christian forums in Jesus' name.

Thank you brother. And the Lord continue to bless you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Dear Sister for_his_glory, do you know of any sin you commit that is accidental? If that is true, then Heb 10:26 has condemned all, because Jesus isn't going to die again. There's but one sacrifice and Heb 6:6 says If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Thanks.

Even though Jesus has already made the sacrifice for sin and I have already repented of my sin and have been forgiven, if I continue to sin willfully already having the knowledge of truth then I will pay the consequences here on earth for whatever this sin will bring about in my own life even though the sacrifice has been made and I have been forgiven.
Example: say I kill someone, even though I have repented for this action and God has forgiven me I will still pay the consequences of going to prison for that sin I committed. Jesus already made the sacrifice and has forgiven us when we repent, but yet here on earth there are consequences for our actions of transgressions.

 

[chozen1956]

Even though Jesus has already made the sacrifice for sin and I have already repented of my sin and have been forgiven, if I continue to sin willfully already having the knowledge of truth then I will pay the consequences here on earth for whatever this sin will bring about in my own life even though the sacrifice has been made and I have been forgiven.
Example: say I kill someone, even though I have repented for this action and God has forgiven me I will still pay the consequences of going to prison for that sin I committed. Jesus already made the sacrifice and has forgiven us when we repent, but yet here on earth there are consequences for our actions of transgressions.

And? Everyone sins willfully. Everyone. But, why focus on the flesh? Wouldn't it be more advantageous to think upon the marvel of Gods mercy and grace and our sainthood?

 

[for_his_glory]

And? Everyone sins willfully. Everyone. But, why focus on the flesh? Wouldn't it be more advantageous to think upon the marvel of Gods mercy and grace and our sainthood?

Yes, everyone sins willfully when they allow the flesh to take over that of the Spirit that dwells in them and the focus is not on the flesh, but that of the sacrifice that has already been made that even though it has been made we who are in Christ still sin when we get into the flesh as flesh and Spirit can not mix and flesh will always be in disobedience with the Spirit.

 

[Eugene]

Even though Jesus has already made the sacrifice for sin and I have already repented of my sin and have been forgiven, if I continue to sin willfully already having the knowledge of truth then I will pay the consequences here on earth for whatever this sin will bring about in my own life even though the sacrifice has been made and I have been forgiven.
Example: say I kill someone, even though I have repented for this action and God has forgiven me I will still pay the consequences of going to prison for that sin I committed. Jesus already made the sacrifice and has forgiven us when we repent, but yet here on earth there are consequences for our actions of transgressions.

I agree on the consequence of sin, but if that person in prison is in Christ, to me they still go to heaven; repented for or not. There are many sins that cause condemnation and remorse we need not enter into, and 1 Jn 1:7 says "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." In other words. We do needs be subject as we read in Eph 5:24 & Eph 5:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word." The depth of our love is established directly by following after the Spirit instead of the flesh, and our peace and reward proportional to that separation.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree on the consequence of sin, but if that person in prison is in Christ, to me they still go to heaven; repented for or not. There are many sins that cause condemnation and remorse we need not enter into, and 1 Jn 1:7 says "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." In other words. We do needs be subject as we read in Eph 5:24 & Eph 5:26, "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word." The depth of our love is established directly by following after the Spirit instead of the flesh, and our peace and reward proportional to that separation.

Yes, they will still go to be with Christ as even though the flesh messed up the Spirit within them is of the Lord as they are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

All sin is willful.

I can count on my fingers and toes the times I have willfully sinned.....and it wasn't because I wanted to go back to Egypt.

But I can't count the number of times I've sinned because of fear, and weakness, and ignorance.

I suggest the person who is willfully sinning needs to examine his profession of faith in Christ. The person who is sinning for all other reasons needs to keep going back to God for forgiveness for those sins.

And if you are a Christian, all sin is forgiven. We do not earn our way to heaven. God sent Christ, once for all.

We are saved because God has forgiven our sin. But you have to continue to believe to continue to be saved by the forgiveness that faith secures.

It's never been up to me. It's all been up to God. Since Jesus finished the work the Father gave Him to do, so are we now complete in Him. Hidden in Christ. FORGIVEN! FOREVER!

....as long as you cling to that forgiveness through faith in Christ.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Dear Sister for_his_glory, do you know of any sin you commit that is accidental? If that is true, then Heb 10:26 has condemned all, because Jesus isn't going to die again. There's but one sacrifice and Heb 6:6 says If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Thanks.

The sin that can't be repented of is not just purposely sinning, but purposely sinning because of indifference or contempt for the forgiveness of God....that is, once God turns you over to that.

 

[Eugene]

The sin that can't be repented of is not just purposely sinning, but purposely sinning because of indifference or contempt for the forgiveness of God....that is, once God turns you over to that.

And so you’re qualifying the measure of sin by its intent? I do not agree, and sort of take the attitude that regardless our shortcomings Jesus said in Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Let’s examine this. I called Jethro Bodine and he became my child by believing on Jesus, according to 1 Jn 5:11. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Jesus our Savior has also became our judge in Joh 5:22, and if we can’t trust Him to keep us, I might as well throw in the towel right now. No brother, those willful sinners never received Jesus as their Savior, and turn back short of the one sacrifice presented to them. My thoughts.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Is somebody arguing this point?

Everyone who believes has eternal life. But you have to stay in the faith until the Day of Redemption to keep it. Just as you have to keep the winning lotto ticket, that you surely do have now, until the day you redeem that ticket. The lotto winner can hold up his winning ticket and say, "See? I have never-ending riches!" But he must retain that ticket until the day it gets redeemed for him to keep those riches.

Jesus our Savior has also became our judge in Joh 5:22, and if we can’t trust Him to keep us, I might as well throw in the towel right now.

That is right. If you do not TRUST HIM TO KEEP YOU, you have fallen from the faith and will not be saved on the Day of Wrath. You can't be saved by a Jesus you no longer are trusting in.

 

[Ricko]

Is somebody arguing this point?

Everyone who believes has eternal life. But you have to stay in the faith until the Day of Redemption to keep it. Just as you have to keep the winning lotto ticket, that you surely do have now, until the day you redeem that ticket. The lotto winner can hold up his winning ticket and say, "See? I have never-ending riches!" But he must retain that ticket until the day it gets redeemed for him to keep those riches.



That is right. If you do not TRUST HIM TO KEEP YOU, you have fallen from the faith and will not be saved on the Day of Wrath. You can't be saved by a Jesus you no longer are trusting in.

So you're saying a person can lose their salvation?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So you're saying a person can lose their salvation?

Yes.

I resisted if for many, many years but after visiting and revisiting this subject here in this forum over the last two years it is impossible for me to honestly explain away so many plain scriptures that show that we can.

 

[Deborah13]

So you're saying a person can lose their salvation?

I think we have a problem here with semantics.
Can someone 'lose' salvation that is only available through Christ's blood?
Can someone 'reject' salvation that is only available through Christ's blood?
There is a huge difference.
If so what does that 'rejection' look like. Is it because they believe, as those spoken of in Hebrews, because they believe that Christ's blood is not sufficient for atonement of sin? Do they choose the blood of bulls and goats for atonement rather than Christ's blood only? Do they choose their own filthy rags as being sufficient rather that Christ's blood only?

To choose any other atonement for sin is pride and arrogance, it is idolatry.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think we have a problem here with semantics.
Can someone 'lose' salvation that is only available through Christ's blood?
Can someone 'reject' salvation that is only available through Christ's blood?
There is a huge difference.
If so what does that 'rejection' look like. Is it because they believe, as those spoken of in Hebrews, because they believe that Christ's blood is not sufficient for atonement of sin? Do they choose the blood of bulls and goats for atonement rather than Christ's blood only? Do they choose their own filthy rags as being sufficient rather that Christ's blood only?

To choose any other atonement for sin is pride and arrogance, it is idolatry.

The Hebrews Paul warns not to trample the blood of Christ are saved/ sanctified believers, not Hebrews deciding if they'll accept the blood of Christ or not. They've already done that. You can't be sanctified by the blood of Jesus and not be saved. This passage in Hebrews is one example of a plain passage of scripture that I simply will no longer rationalize away in order to defend the false hope that salvation is not dependent on believing to the very end.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think we have a problem here with semantics.
Can someone 'lose' salvation that is only available through Christ's blood?

So, because salvation is only available through the blood of Christ that means I can't lose it? This is exactly the faulty logic I resist.

Winning Lotto tickets are only available through those who have them. I can't produce one on my own. So does that mean I can never lose it and not have it on the day I go to redeem it? Of course not. It only means I can not produce the winning ticket on my own and that I must keep the one I have in my possession until the day of redemption. That's all.

 

[Deborah13]

So, because salvation is only available through the blood of Christ that means I can't lose it? This is exactly the faulty logic I resist.

Winning Lotto tickets are only available through those who have them. I can't produce one on my own. So does that mean I can never lose it and not have it on the day I go to redeem it? Of course not. It only means I can not produce the winning ticket on my own and that I must keep the one I have in my possession until the day of redemption. That's all.

I thought we had agreed that one must REJECT it?