Is the bible still complete and intact?

[Classik]

I saw a video where a narrator claims several chapters and books (I think...books) of the bible were secretly removed a long time ago - centuries ago.

Is what we have today intact...e.g NKJV, KJV, NIV etc?
My friend's bible has more chapters. Tis a yellow bible - yellow in color.

 

[Jim Parker]

I saw a video where a narrator claims several chapters and books (I think...books) of the bible were secretly removed a long time ago - centuries ago.

Any time you see or hear that something was "secretly" done, your baloney meter should go off.
Nothing has been secretly removed.

jim

 

[JohnDB]

Yes.
We have everything... Including the "lost" letters of Paul.

But they ain't scripture for good reason.
I've read them... Just be happy with what you have. Know that others haven't tried to pull one on you. In fact the "removed" sections are removed to keep unscrupulous people from taking advantage. They have plenty of scriptures to twist into garbage... No need to give them more. And the out takes are more easily twisted and give us nothing new.

 

[Corn Pop]

Yes.
We have everything... Including the "lost" letters of Paul.

But they ain't scripture for good reason.
I've read them... Just be happy with what you have. Know that others haven't tried to pull one on you. In fact the "removed" sections are removed to keep unscrupulous people from taking advantage. They have plenty of scriptures to twist into garbage... No need to give them more. And the out takes are more easily twisted and give us nothing new.

The lost letters of Paul?.

It would be interesting to read reply letters from the churches, but I dont think there is any. Only sent letters, but no replys.

 

[KevinK]

There are a number of so-called "Lost Books of the Bible" sprinkled in, before, and after the Old and New Ts. The Apocrypha is an example, as is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. There is some, err, interesting stuff in some of those books. I don't know if it's auch a good idea to read that kind of stuff.

 

[Corn Pop]

Before the bible was made into a book, they were all just seperate historical documents, there is heaps of documents, they just not in there. What we have in the bible I believe is historically reliable, but if others should be in there as well that were missed, possibly. For example, if Jude is worthy to be in the bible and mentions the book of Enoch as prophecy, then Enoch cant just be thrown away as rubbish.

 

[JohnDB]

The lost letters of Paul?.

It would be interesting to read reply letters from the churches, but I dont think there is any. Only sent letters, but no replys.

The other letter to the Corinthians, letters to specific individuals. And to other church groups.
Then there is Apocrypha. Maccabees etc.
They exist. We have copies.


I've read them as translated into English. They say the same things as the scriptures only worded not as well. People could take them wrong. So they were left out.
Suffice it to say Paul's emotions got the best of him in those letters. And the individual letters are confusing. Also the concept of the letters circulating to all churches is in the "lost letters"

Then referring to the pseudopigrapha...
They are fiction. Including Enoch which is the first one made...around 100 BC. It was a popular fiction. But the book claims NOT to be scripture itself.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Isa. 40:8 The Word of God is just as God wills it. The Bible is not the issue, our faith is at issue.

 

[for_his_glory]

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The books of the KJV Bible are personal documentations written by the Prophets of God detailing how important it is to walk by faith and not by sight as we trust God in all situations. One book could not contain all the letters that were written, but contains all that we need for Spiritual growth.

 

[Christ_empowered]

The Canon was established in the early centuries AD. I think, personally, that The Holy Spirit guided the process. The Protestants got rid of The Apocrypha (sp?) but left everything else...although Luther thought about ditching James...

 

[th1b.taylor]

The Canon was established in the early centuries AD. I think, personally, that The Holy Spirit guided the process. The Protestants got rid of The Apocrypha (sp?) but left everything else...although Luther thought about ditching James...

The Apocrypha was never, never, canonized and thus was never part of the scriptures. Those books of Jewish, not God, history were forced into the Bible by the Catholics in, on, or about 375ad.

 

[Corn Pop]

The other letter to the Corinthians, letters to specific individuals. And to other church groups.
Then there is Apocrypha. Maccabees etc.
They exist. We have copies.


I've read them as translated into English. They say the same things as the scriptures only worded not as well. People could take them wrong. So they were left out.
Suffice it to say Paul's emotions got the best of him in those letters. And the individual letters are confusing. Also the concept of the letters circulating to all churches is in the "lost letters"

Then referring to the pseudopigrapha...
They are fiction. Including Enoch which is the first one made...around 100 BC. It was a popular fiction. But the book claims NOT to be scripture itself.

Maccabees. I remember seeing it in this valgate? Volgate? catholic bible I found in a old shed. I didnt read it fully because I already had a NIV from the local church, not that I knew any better. I knew something was up because all the book names were different language, thats cool, was latin or something, and had extra books like maccabees.

And I noticed little scripure differences, things like she instead of he.

 

[Obadiah]

The books of the KJV Bible are personal documentations written by the Prophets of God detailing how important it is to walk by faith and not by sight as we trust God in all situations.

No, I'm sorry, but the KJV Bible, nor any other English translation, was not written by the prophets of God. It is simply a translation of copies of other translations of translations of original scripture which we no longer have available to us. Even the KJV translators themselves deny that they were any kind of inspired prophets. This is simply not true.

 

[JohnDB]

Maccabees. I remember seeing it in this valgate? Volgate? catholic bible I found in a old shed. I didnt read it because I already had a NIV from the local church. I knew something was up because all the book names were different language and had extra books like maccabees.

And I noticed little scripure differences, things like she instead of he.

Some of them old bibles are worth money to collectors.

Especially when the "f" s look like "s".
They are precious bits of history... Just like a copy of the " wicked Bible" which had the famous misprint of forgetting to put a "not" in Exodus 21 concerning the commandment about adultery.

 

[Obadiah]

...Just like a copy of the " wicked Bible" which had the famous misprint of forgetting to put a "not" in Exodus 21 concerning the commandment about adultery.

LOL! I hadn't heard of that. Wish I had one. What a conversation piece that would be!

 

[Corn Pop]

Some of them old bibles are worth money to collectors.

Especially when the "f" s look like "s".
They are precious bits of history... Just like a copy of the " wicked Bible" which had the famous misprint of forgetting to put a "not" in Exodus 21 concerning the commandment about adultery.

I could never stoop that low and sell a bible, even if I was offered a billion dollars, I dont care how corrupt it is. Think of how degrading that is to God, Hey God, I sold someone a corrupt version of your word for a billion dollars.

 

[JohnDB]

A copy of the Torah...just the first five books of the Old Testament... Used to cost an average guys yearly income.

Since the invention of the printing press the cost of Bibles has gone down drastically. But print shops of olde used to make bibles when there was a lack of business. Occasionally there were misprints as each page was hand typeset and sometimes hand carved. (No spellchecker)

These bibles and their translations are precious moments of history. Pages from these ancient bibles are available for sale. Complete ancient bibles are also available for collectors. Usually they are made from several bibles as paper, ink, and leather bindings degrade and become destroyed over time. I have been pondering the idea of getting a few plates from the Bishop's Bible or one of the other ancient translations (pages of incomplete bibles leftover from making a single complete Bible)

 

[turnorburn]

No, I'm sorry, but the KJV Bible, nor any other English translation, was not written by the prophets of God. It is simply a translation of copies of other translations of translations of original scripture which we no longer have available to us. Even the KJV translators themselves deny that they were any kind of inspired prophets. This is simply not true.

You don't mean this Obadiah, or do you?

II Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Free]

No, I'm sorry, but the KJV Bible, nor any other English translation, was not written by the prophets of God. It is simply a translation of copies of other translations of translations of original scripture which we no longer have available to us. Even the KJV translators themselves deny that they were any kind of inspired prophets. This is simply not true.

Agreed.

 

[Obadiah]

You don't mean this Obadiah, or do you?

II Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Sure I do. The prophets, apostles, disciples, etc that were inspired by God to write scripture didn't even speak King James English, much less write their original manuscripts in that language. (But I think you meant that as sarcastic humor, right???)