Is the Law of God dead? And if yes, how?

[Rajesh Sahu]

The law of Moses has been abolished, nailed to the cross and taken out of the way.


“The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Luke 16:16


The law of Christ, and His Commandments which are written on our heart, is what the Church is to obey.


The law of Moses is the entire system of animal sacrifices, Sabbath laws, food laws, feast days, ceremonial washings and strict requirements to return to Jerusalem at certain times of the year, all governed by the Levitical Priesthood; this is what comprised the law of Moses.


What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:19




The “10” Commandments (much more than 10) are eternal, and have been here since the garden of Eden and before.



Many people confuse the law of Moses as being the 10 commandments.



The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, temporarily until the Seed, The Messiah should come and both fulfill and do away with it.






JLB

JLB what you say is right. The ten commandments of God were and ARE eternal -- in fact, His entire handwritten Law is eternal. That being said, 99.99% of Churches teach even today that God's eternal Law is DEAD and that we are now under Grace ( something which Jesus bever ever taught or even uttered-- the word Grace!) .
In simple words, 99.99% of churches across the Globe teach even today ( as they are teaching past 500 years at least the Law of God is dead ( INCLUDING the ten commandments)-- and thus must stand in ultimate) judgment on the last day. Nobody touches the least bit of God's law and gets away, warned Christ ( Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 16:16-17). Unfortunately we the Churches have gone a step further, and completely done away with father God's Law and ended up teaching GRACE which Jesus never even uttered or taught... Do you see brother, the unimaginable peril the entire Church is?
Whoever taught "we are not under Law but GRACE" was deceiving and has brought us the Churches to this point ( where 99% of them have killed God's perennial Law), even though the Word reveals God's Law cannot even be touched( leave alone be killed as Churches did/ taught), and Jesus never uttered the Word GRACE...
I don't think any of Christ Churches have a clue what they have done... And coming Sunday, they will teach yet again "We are not under Law but Grace-- For God's law is now dead and done with...
That being said I wholeheartedly agree Jesus ended all the legalism that was being taught

 

[JLB]

By this last statement, He appears to be saying the commandment not to commit adultery will continue, in spite of the Jewish leadership acting as if they were upholding the law when in reality they were not. In such a context, "the law and the prophets were until John" doesn't mean they would be discontinued or set aside, but to the contrary that they would be upheld, but after the heart and not simply by the letter of the law. The Pharisees were justifying themselves before men because they were "abiding by the law" in filing for divorce, but as He informed them elsewhere, that provision was added by the Lord because of the hardness of their hearts.

Again, The law of Moses is the entire system of animal sacrifices, Sabbath laws, food laws, feast days, ceremonial washings and strict requirements to return to Jerusalem at certain times of the year, all governed by the Levitical Priesthood… has been abolished, nailed to the cross, and therefore taken out of the way.


The 10 Commandments which were part of THE COVENANT that the Lord Jesus made with Abraham, of which Abraham obeyed 430 years before the law of Moses was added to it, are eternal laws and under the New Covenant are written on our heart.


And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5

• Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

There were laws and commandments that were already a part of the Covenant, long before the law of Moses was added to it.


When the law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, it did not annul the laws and commandments that were already established and a part of it.


And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
Galatians 3:17


So what does this mean?


It means when the Lord abolished the law of Moses at the cross, the preexisting commandments and laws that were already established in the Abrahamic Covenant remained intact.



What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:18


These laws and commandments that Abraham learned from the Lord and kept by faith, are now written on our heart.


We don’t sacrifice animals, or keep strict Sabbath laws, or return to Jerusalem each year at the appointed feast, or have strict dietary laws that forbid us from eating certain food.


We do however obey His Commandments if we expect to remain in Him.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



We are under the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.





JLB

 

[JLB]

We are not under Law but Grace--

Being under the law of Moses, means we are obligated to obey the law of Moses.



Being under grace means we are obligated to obey grace;
the Spirit of grace.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:13-14


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, Titus 2:11-12


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29



We are to obey the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of grace who dwells within us, and teaches us, and leads and guides to live righteously, loving God and loving our neighbor.





JLB

 

[Hidden In Him]

We are under the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.

JLB

I like and agree with most of your post, but right here is where we have our disagreement:

It means when the Lord abolished the law of Moses at the cross, the preexisting commandments and laws that were already established in the Abrahamic Covenant remained intact.

This argument requires you to prove that the two greatest commandments were given to Abraham and his descendants before the law was given to Moses, which is a tough thing to do, IMO, though I am open to reading them if you have scriptures to that effect.

The other problem I have with it is that there are several NT scriptures which speak positively of the law where no clear distinction is being made that we are now talking about "the law of Christ" rather than the law of Moses.

 

[Truthfrees]

ok - i will work on this for a few days - weak principles - desire to be under the law - Galatians 4:9-10, 21

Hidden In Him notes from Galatians as i study to answer Gal. 4:9-10, 21
CH 1 - good news/salvation - judaism/religion/mix of God's laws and manmade laws - turn from God for salvation to works/law keeping for salvation -
CH 2 - Acts 21 - grace/faith plus law for salvation vs grace/faith alone - paul to gentiles - hypocrites forcing judaism manmade laws on gentiles yet not living judaism - works of manmade laws and God's laws can't save - salvation by God alone = good news -
CH 3 - flesh vs grace/faith/promise - works of God's law and manmade law for salvation/justification/righteousness = cursed - salvation by faith/grace/promise - law leads to God - have God have everything - need God
CH 4 - born under law to redeem those under law/jews - gentiles did not know God/weak beggarly principles/paganism - gentiles want to be under law to be saved is just like paganism - courted by those who promote faith plus law keeping for salvation - stay free from works for salvation
CH 5 - law keeping for salvation is bondage - stay free - flesh vs Spirit - flesh=death - Spirit=life
CH 6 - flesh vs Spirit - keep law to boast in flesh/self -

 

[Hopeful]

if you keep them for salvation breaking one is breaking them all - meaning no one can possibly be saved by law keeping - God never said anyone can be saved by law keeping - only the grace plus law = salvation people started doing that to the gentiles

Agreed.
Isn't it wonderful that we have been enabled to live with clean consciences by our Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

for salvation -
CH 2 - Acts 21 - grace/faith plus law for salvation vs grace/faith alone - paul to gentiles - hypocrites forcing judaism manmade laws on gentiles yet not living judaism - works of manmade laws and God's laws can't save - salvation by God alone = good news -

What I do not understand is How did the Son of God who came down on earth to teach ( and become) the salvation for mankind FORGET to teach GRACE the most vital ingredient ( as believed and taught by Churches) of Salvation? Not once did Christ even mention the word, Grace, before the crucifixion, AFTER resurrection OR in the Future time ( Book of revelation). WHY? what is the mystery here?
Secondly, paul claims He was taught one on one by Christ in the lonely deserts of Arabia for three long years Galatians 1:11–20 The question that comes to my mind REPEATEDLY ( and gnaws at my soul) is WHY did Jesus not inform His beloved and handpicked 12 apostles that he was appointing a 13th apostle . Why was Jesus HIDING such a vitally important Truth from the remaining 12, especially in light of what Christ reveals in John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business? Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
After saying that, Christ HIDES this game-changing news from His beloved apostles… WHY?

To confound matters further, I would like to know WHY did Jesus hide the doctrine of GRACE from Peter and the other eleven apostles who were spread out in the world teaching to everyone end everywhere they went FOR THREE LONG YEARS ( while Jesus was mentoring Paul in dark and isolated deserts of Arabia) a gospel DEVOID of Grace – since they had no clue one is saved by grace alone--- since Jesus had never taught GRACE ( as mentioned above).

Its NOT fair to everyone who heard the gospel from these twelve since they would never know/ learn “it is by grace one is saved and not by works, so that no man may boast “
Why was Christ UNFAIR with the twelve apostles and the millions of people, who heard the "INCORRECT" gospel from these 12 for 1200 days, while Jesus was mentoring Paul alone, one on one, for three long years? They would never learn the "truth" that one can only be saved by Grace as paul repeatedly mentioned in all his 13 epistles.
This is most UNLIKE Christ who would never hide anything from his 12 beloved…

I look forward to some convincing replies, replete with verses, for all this smells of dark and devious evil to me. Submitted respectfully ....Raj Sahu

 

[Truthfrees]

;Hidden In Him notes from Galatians as i study to answer Gal. 4:9-10, 21
CH 1 - good news/salvation - judaism/religion/mix of God's laws and manmade laws - turn from God for salvation to works/law keeping for salvation -
CH 2 - Acts 21 - grace/faith plus law for salvation vs grace/faith alone - paul to gentiles - hypocrites forcing judaism manmade laws on gentiles yet not living judaism - works of manmade laws and God's laws can't save - salvation by God alone = good news -
CH 3 - flesh vs grace/faith/promise - works of God's law and manmade law for salvation/justification/righteousness = cursed - salvation by faith/grace/promise - law leads to God - have God have everything - need God
CH 4 - born under law to redeem those under law/jews - gentiles did not know God/weak beggarly principles/paganism - gentiles want to be under law to be saved is just like paganism - courted by those who promote faith plus law keeping for salvation - stay free from works for salvation
CH 5 - law keeping for salvation is bondage - stay free - flesh vs Spirit - flesh=death - Spirit=life
CH 6 - flesh vs Spirit - keep law to boast in flesh/self -

Hidden In Him going over and over Galatians - slow process - many seemingly contradictions to Matthew 5:19 Romans 3:31 - ground basics:
1. Matthew 4:4 God's words written down since sinai
2. Matthew 23:2-5 Legend of God's words never written down - orally handed down since sinai - can never be confirmed - heavy burdensome hypocritical religiosity - no one can keep them/live by them - people who claim to are pretending

under law? God's or man's? God's Holy Laws were for sure given at sinai - man's laws were claimed to also be given at sinai and moses orally passed it on through the generations thus the claim by man to be sitting in moses seat

 

[Truthfrees]

What I do not understand is How did the Son of God who came down on earth to teach ( and become) the salvation for mankind FORGET to teach GRACE the most vital ingredient ( as believed and taught by Churches) of Salvation? Not once did Christ even mention the word, Grace, before the crucifixion, AFTER resurrection OR in the Future time ( Book of revelation). WHY? what is the mystery here?
Secondly, paul claims He was taught one on one by Christ in the lonely deserts of Arabia for three long years Galatians 1:11–20 The question that comes to my mind REPEATEDLY ( and gnaws at my soul) is WHY did Jesus not inform His beloved and handpicked 12 apostles that he was appointing a 13th apostle . Why was Jesus HIDING such a vitally important Truth from the remaining 12, especially in light of what Christ reveals in John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business? Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
After saying that, Christ HIDES this game-changing news from His beloved apostles… WHY?

To confound matters further, I would like to know WHY did Jesus hide the doctrine of GRACE from Peter and the other eleven apostles who were spread out in the world teaching to everyone end everywhere they went FOR THREE LONG YEARS ( while Jesus was mentoring Paul in dark and isolated deserts of Arabia) a gospel DEVOID of Grace – since they had no clue one is saved by grace alone--- since Jesus had never taught GRACE ( as mentioned above).

Its NOT fair to everyone who heard the gospel from these twelve since they would never know/ learn “it is by grace one is saved and not by works, so that no man may boast “
Why was Christ UNFAIR with the twelve apostles and the millions of people, who heard the "INCORRECT" gospel from these 12 for 1200 days, while Jesus was mentoring Paul alone, one on one, for three long years? They would never learn the "truth" that one can only be saved by Grace as paul repeatedly mentioned in all his 13 epistles.
This is most UNLIKE Christ who would never hide anything from his 12 beloved…

I look forward to some convincing replies, replete with verses, for all this smells of dark and devious evil to me. Submitted respectfully ....Raj Sahu

excellent questions - wow

grace always was understood by jews - the sin sacrifices were God's grace and mercy to sinners via a sinless life dying for the sinner - Jesus also said come to me weary burdened ones and i will give you rest - more grace - so maybe it wasn't stated in the same words paul uses but it was clearly understood by all jews - simply put grace and mercy is called the good news aka gospel

there were many more than the original 12 apostles - barnabas was also considered an apostle - apostle means sent one - Jesus picked 12 disciples to be in his inner circle but he sent out 72 one time in pairs to heal cast out demons preach the good news etc

peter said paul is hard to understand - he is - he's a talmudic pharisee - if you ever try to read talmud your head will spin with the way they discuss torah - i've been asking God why paul couldn't have just spoke plainly and drop the talmudic speak - it sure would have made everything easier than it is right now - it's similar to scholars today - they are all intelligent enough to speak simply enough for regular people to understand them but they choose to speak high brow - too bad because it's confusing - maybe that's why paul's gentiles needed continuous teaching because they didn't really get what he was saying either

the other nt writers wrote mostly to jews - they spoke simply - and they didn't speak of the things paul did because jews already know the stuff paul is talking about - paul wrote to gentiles mostly because they needed to know the things the jews already knew

did i miss anything?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hidden In Him going over and over Galatians - slow process - many seemingly contradictions to Matthew 5:19 Romans 3:31 - ground basics:
1. Matthew 4:4 God's words written down since sinai
2. Matthew 23:2-5 Legend of God's words never written down - orally handed down since sinai - can never be confirmed - heavy burdensome hypocritical religiosity - no one can keep them/live by them - people who claim to are pretending

under law? God's or man's? God's Holy Laws were for sure given at sinai - man's laws were claimed to also be given at sinai and moses orally passed it on through the generations thus the claim by man to be sitting in moses seat

I read through this a few times, Truthfrees, but I'm having trouble following you. Maybe slow down a bit, cite the passages in Galatians you are going over first, and then come back and give how verses in Matthew and Romans relate to them specifically.

God bless,
- H

 

[Truthfrees]

I read through this a few times, Truthfrees, but I'm having trouble following you. Maybe slow down a bit, cite the passages in Galatians you are going over first, and then come back and give how verses in Matthew and Romans relate to them specifically.

God bless,
- H

right now the entire book looking for what kind of law paul is talking about

he said jews can't live by this law including peter

this means he must be talking about the manmade laws

God's laws are easy to keep

judaism includes God's laws and manmade laws

 

[Hidden In Him]

right now the entire book looking for what kind of law paul is talking about

he said jews can't live by this law including peter

this means he must be talking about the manmade laws

God's laws are easy to keep

judaism includes God's laws and manmade laws

Well "My burden is light" is in comparison with that of the Pharisees. Not sure if it fully equates to "God's laws are easy to keep," but I agree things were made easer in the New Covenant.

Now, man-made laws are to be distinguished from those parts of the law that God truly gave but became obsolete with the New Covenant. Circumcision, unclean food laws, the Levitic priesthood and temple laws, and the strict observance of the feast days and sabbaths were all originally given by God, yet none were not included in the New Covenant for various reasons. Man-made laws would be those that were added in on top of God's laws (a slightly different thing), such as Jesus laid out for the Pharisees in Mark 7:1-16.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

excellent questions - wow

grace always was understood by jews - the sin sacrifices were God's grace and mercy to sinners via a sinless life dying for the sinner - Jesus also said come to me weary burdened ones and i will give you rest - more grace - so maybe it wasn't stated in the same words paul uses but it was clearly understood by all jews - simply put grace and mercy is called the good news aka gospel

there were many more than the original 12 apostles - barnabas was also considered an apostle - apostle means sent one - Jesus picked 12 disciples to be in his inner circle but he sent out 72 one time in pairs to heal cast out demons preach the good news etc

peter said paul is hard to understand - he is - he's a talmudic pharisee - if you ever try to read talmud your head will spin with the way they discuss torah - i've been asking God why paul couldn't have just spoke plainly and drop the talmudic speak - it sure would have made everything easier than it is right now - it's similar to scholars today - they are all intelligent enough to speak simply enough for regular people to understand them but they choose to speak high brow - too bad because it's confusing - maybe that's why paul's gentiles needed continuous teaching because they didn't really get what he was saying either

the other nt writers wrote mostly to jews - they spoke simply - and they didn't speak of the things paul did because jews already know the stuff paul is talking about - paul wrote to gentiles mostly because they needed to know the things the jews already knew

did i miss anything?

What about the non-Jews, Jesus was addressing? There was no way they would know it was Grace which would save them. Why didn't Jesus reveal to them about Grace, which was purportedly the paramount ingredient of His salvation doctrine, as pounded and expounded by Paul.
Lord takes me to Matthew 8:1 where we learn that " thousands followed Christ down the mountain" from where He had delivered His largest piece of doctrine in one go--- Sermon on the Mount. I would imagine there would be pagans , atheists, scoffers, curious George's , even non religious people who had come to see and hear what's going and learn more about the man being Spoken of by crowds as Son of God . Also there must be bunch of ailing and afflicted people, who must have come to get healed since Jesus was healing left right and center. Now tell me WHY and HOW did He forget to share GRACE with them all ?
Subsequently we will discuss this Talmud Pharisee

 

[Truthfrees]

What about the non-Jews, Jesus was addressing? There was no way they would know it was Grace which would save them. Why didn't Jesus reveal to them about Grace, which was purportedly the paramount ingredient of His salvation doctrine, as pounded and expounded by Paul.
Lord takes me to Matthew 8:1 where we learn that " thousands followed Christ down the mountain" from where He had delivered His largest piece of doctrine in one go--- Sermon on the Mount. I would imagine there would be pagans , atheists, scoffers, curious George's , even non religious people who had come to see and hear what's going and learn more about the man being Spoken of by crowds as Son of God . Also there must be bunch of ailing and afflicted people, who must have come to get healed since Jesus was healing left right and center. Now tell me WHY and HOW did He forget to share GRACE with them all ?
Subsequently we will discuss this Talmud Pharisee

good question

Jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of israel a few times - meaning he spoke to them rather than the gentiles

if the gentiles in the crowd did not know about the grace of God through sin sacrifices then they would have KNOWN it experientially when they were part of the 5000 who got fed or when Jesus went around doing good and healing ALL - i'm sure those kinds of miracles would have convinced them more than thousands of words that God is love and full of grace and mercy

really when paul was talking about grace he was talking about God's undeserved love care compassion provision - everything Jesus did convincingly demonstrated that in an uncontested way

iow the goodness of God to all would have caused everyone to praise God for His grace - they would have been living in a grace atmosphere every time they were near Jesus

 

[Truthfrees]

Hidden In Him going over and over Galatians - slow process - many seemingly contradictions to Matthew 5:19 Romans 3:31 - ground basics:
1. Matthew 4:4 God's words written down since sinai
2. Matthew 23:2-5 Legend of God's words never written down - orally handed down since sinai - can never be confirmed - heavy burdensome hypocritical religiosity - no one can keep them/live by them - people who claim to are pretending

under law? God's or man's? God's Holy Laws were for sure given at sinai - man's laws were claimed to also be given at sinai and moses orally passed it on through the generations thus the claim by man to be sitting in moses seat

ok - i will work on this for a few days - weak principles - desire to be under the law - Galatians 4:9-10, 21

Hidden In Him notes from Galatians as i study to answer Gal. 4:9-10, 21
CH 1 - good news/salvation - judaism/religion/mix of God's laws and manmade laws - turn from God for salvation to works/law keeping for salvation -
CH 2 - Acts 21 - grace/faith plus law for salvation vs grace/faith alone - paul to gentiles - hypocrites forcing judaism manmade laws on gentiles yet not living judaism - works of manmade laws and God's laws can't save - salvation by God alone = good news -
CH 3 - flesh vs grace/faith/promise - works of God's law and manmade law for salvation/justification/righteousness = cursed - salvation by faith/grace/promise - law leads to God - have God have everything - need God
CH 4 - born under law to redeem those under law/jews - gentiles did not know God/weak beggarly principles/paganism - gentiles want to be under law to be saved is just like paganism - courted by those who promote faith plus law keeping for salvation - stay free from works for salvation
CH 5 - law keeping for salvation is bondage - stay free - flesh vs Spirit - flesh=death - Spirit=life
CH 6 - flesh vs Spirit - keep law to boast in flesh/self -

I read through this a few times, Truthfrees, but I'm having trouble following you. Maybe slow down a bit, cite the passages in Galatians you are going over first, and then come back and give how verses in Matthew and Romans relate to them specifically.

God bless,
- H

right now the entire book looking for what kind of law paul is talking about

he said jews can't live by this law including peter

this means he must be talking about the manmade laws

God's laws are easy to keep

judaism includes God's laws and manmade laws

Well "My burden is light" is in comparison with that of the Pharisees. Not sure if it fully equates to "God's laws are easy to keep," but I agree things were made easer in the New Covenant.

Now, man-made laws are to be distinguished from those parts of the law that God truly gave but became obsolete with the New Covenant. Circumcision, unclean food laws, the Levitic priesthood and temple laws, and the strict observance of the feast days and sabbaths were all originally given by God, yet none were not included in the New Covenant for various reasons. Man-made laws would be those that were added in on top of God's laws (a slightly different thing), such as Jesus laid out for the Pharisees in Mark 7:1-16.

did God ever say any part of HIS laws would be done away with? God only ever spoke against man's words/laws - God said His laws would continue in the new covenant - Hebrews 8:8-12

of the 2 sides on this issue it boils down to choosing whose words are the plumbline

is Matthew 4:4 - Matthew 5:19 - Romans 3:31 the plumbline or something else?

for me paul has to be interpreted in line of what God said rather than the opposite

imo paul really does agree with God - he just communicated it in a way that gentiles messianics and karaites all believe paul says torah is gone

messianics and karaites reject talmud and manmade laws and for this reason are excluded by jews who hold to judaism which is a mix of God's laws and man's laws - imo Jesus and paul opposed man's laws and promoted God's laws just as the messianics and karaites do

i guess for myself if i believed paul disagreed with God i would have to reject paul as a false teacher of the same ilk as rcc who have replaced what God says with what popes say - they declare popes changed God's teachings - Matthew 4:4 - Matthew 5:19 - Romans 3:31 declare God's laws remain imo - i will always choose God

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

if the gentiles in the crowd did not know about the grace of God through sin sacrifices then they would have KNOWN it experientially when they were part of the 5000 who got fed or when Jesus went around doing good and healing ALL - i'm sure those kinds of miracles would have convinced them more than thousands of words that God is love and full of grace and mercy

really when paul was talking about grace he was talking about God's undeserved love care compassion provision - everything Jesus did convincingly demonstrated that in an uncontested way

iow the goodness of God to all would have caused everyone to praise God for His grace - they would have been living in a grace atmosphere every time they were near Jesus

That's a brave answer , BUT way, way tangential! Can I objectively ask you in one line , as most of tests are nowadays -- very objective. Why didn't Jesus teach or utter Grace?
This is very important for every human to understand, for it concerns their salvation. I want to take you quickly to the judgment day vision Jesus gave us in Matthew 25:31-46.
Grace was not used on the last day to save. Jesus comprehensively rejected the doctrine of "Saved by Grace" by narrating the judgment day events. They will play out exactly as the Savior explained. Grace was yet again conspicuous by its absence. Keeping these last day events in mind and the criterion used by Judge Christ, I humbly ask once more (and passionately request a one-line answer! ) Why didn't Jesus teach Grace?
Additionally, Why didn't Jesus use Grace on the day of judgement, to save souls?
Wonder why the churches even bother to teach this "fairy-tale" doctrine of saved by grace alone when it was neither taught by Jesus nor used by Him on the last day....
It was just an evil ploy/ concoction to deceive us, the Church of Christ. Else Christ would have taught, and used it, to save

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

did God ever say any part of HIS laws would be done away with? God only ever spoke against man's words/laws - God said His laws would continue in the new covenant - Hebrews 8:8-12

of the 2 sides on this issue it boils down to choosing whose words are the plumbline

is Matthew 4:4 - Matthew 5:19 - Romans 3:31 the plumbline or something else?

for me paul has to be interpreted in line of what God said rather than the opposite

imo paul really does agree with God - he just communicated it in a way that gentiles messianics and karaites all believe paul says torah is gone

messianics and karaites reject talmud and manmade laws and for this reason are excluded by jews who hold to judaism which is a mix of God's laws and man's laws - imo Jesus and paul opposed man's laws and promoted God's laws just as the messianics and karaites do

Sorry Truth, the answer got joined with my previous reply which I chose not to ask. But kind of got retained by the website software . I have made corrections and the only reply now remains is the one I decided to keep

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

That's a brave answer , BUT way, way tangential! Can I objectively ask you in one line , as most of tests are nowadays -- very objective. Why didn't Jesus teach or utter Grace?
This is very important for every human to understand, for it concerns their salvation. I want to take you quickly to the judgment day vision Jesus gave us in Matthew 25:31-46.
Grace was not used on the last day to save. Jesus comprehensively rejected the doctrine of "Saved by Grace" by narrating the judgment day events. They will play out exactly as the Savior explained. Grace was yet again conspicuous by its absence. Keeping these last day events in mind and the criterion used by Judge Christ, I humbly ask once more (and passionately request a one-line answer! ) Why didn't Jesus teach Grace?
Additionally, Why didn't Jesus use Grace on the day of judgement, to save souls?
Wonder why the churches even bother to teach this "fairy-tale" doctrine of saved by grace alone when it was neither taught by Jesus nor used by Him on the last day....
It was just an evil ploy/ concoction to deceive us, the Church of Christ. Else Christ would have taught, and used it, to save

The only ones who will get Grace on the last day is the ones who GAVE Grace to others . This was the message of Bible and Christ. That's why he issued the golden rule ....do to others as... ( Matthew 7:12) . He Himself says, the Golden Rule is also the summary of Bible. Nobody paid heed else we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in today.
More on this tomorrow. I'm so wiped out right now! it's 4.06 am here. Even my resolute and incessant insomnia is wavering!

 

[Hidden In Him]

did God ever say any part of HIS laws would be done away with? God only ever spoke against man's words/laws - God said His laws would continue in the new covenant - Hebrews 8:8-12

It's an interesting question as to how much He actually did tell them in advance. But here we have Him promising to establish a new covenant, and covenants are stablished on their own specific terms, meaning a new set of laws would of necessity be applied. I can't think of any OT passage off hand that would add to this (as to what He said about Old laws being done away with), but I sense there are some.

 

[Truthfrees]

That's a brave answer , BUT way, way tangential! Can I objectively ask you in one line , as most of tests are nowadays -- very objective. Why didn't Jesus teach or utter Grace?
This is very important for every human to understand, for it concerns their salvation. I want to take you quickly to the judgment day vision Jesus gave us in Matthew 25:31-46.
Grace was not used on the last day to save. Jesus comprehensively rejected the doctrine of "Saved by Grace" by narrating the judgment day events. They will play out exactly as the Savior explained. Grace was yet again conspicuous by its absence. Keeping these last day events in mind and the criterion used by Judge Christ, I humbly ask once more (and passionately request a one-line answer! ) Why didn't Jesus teach Grace?
Additionally, Why didn't Jesus use Grace on the day of judgement, to save souls?
Wonder why the churches even bother to teach this "fairy-tale" doctrine of saved by grace alone when it was neither taught by Jesus nor used by Him on the last day....
It was just an evil ploy/ concoction to deceive us, the Church of Christ. Else Christ would have taught, and used it, to save

the great white throne judgement is for those who have not received the free gift of salvation - for those who rejected the grace of GOD by faith - therefore they will be judged for every sin they ever committed

those who receive the free gift of salvation all their sins were erased - there are no sins to bring up

saved by God alone is what scripture says - those who continue to sin need to go one on one with God to find out what is going on with them