Jethro Bodine
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Is The Law of God Still in Force Today ?/Matthew 5:17,18
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Remember that I said I agree with about 95% of what you say about this subject.
The one point that I don't agree with is that Gentiles were never under the law of Moses.
They were under the law of sin and death, which like the law of gravity governs all men through the ages.
God did not declare to the nations that He was a husband to them, though He is the Creator of all.
That is Covenant language.
This flaw in your doctrine causes you to say such things as our flesh was our former husband.
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? Romans 7:1
Gentiles [in Paul's day before the bible] would not understand this analogy because God never declared He was a Husband to the nations, but to Israel.
31 "You erected your shrine at the head of every road, and built your high place in every street. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned payment. 32 You are an adulterous wife, who takes strangers instead of her husband. 33 Men make payment to all harlots, but you made your payments to all your lovers, and hired them to come to you from all around for your harlotry. Ezekiel 16:31-33
The nations all around Israel are referred to as "your lovers". Israel paid these nations for protection and served their gods, rather than her Husband and Redeemer who is the Lord.
The Word [law] became flesh and was nailed to the cross, with the law of Moses.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet." 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead...
Paul continues this point of contrasting the law and Jews and Gentiles through Romans 11.
So in context with what Paul says in Romans 7:1, who was delivered from the law of Moses?
Jews or Gentiles?
JLB
My condolences to you about Elle May.
Gentiles who never went to the physical literal land of Israel and were never physically literally circumcised in their flesh.
I think you have followed these threads long enough to know what I have posted, over and over again.
Gentiles, the nations surrounding Israel, all the other nations of the world, were NEVER under the law of Moses.
JLB
Deborah13
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Asking and asking does not change you said never ..
I'm not sure what JLB means when he says that. But when I says the Law of Moses was not given to the gentiles, I mean that God never gave the Law of Moses to the Gentile nations.
No, but God used him to free the Israelites from Babylon and to build the second temple and Jerusalem.
I don't know that he was found to be righteous though.
28 Who says of Cyrus, ‘He is My shepherd,
And he shall perform all My pleasure,
Saying to Jerusalem, “You shall be built,”
And to the temple, “Your foundation shall be laid.”’ Isaiah 44:28
He shall do all My pleasure.
Sounds very much like what God said about Abraham.
Or, maybe God decided to mix things up and use an unrighteousness King to be a type of Christ.
JLB
Exactly!
Asking and asking does not change you said never ..
Never means never.
The law of Moses was given to the natural Israelites for the land of Israel.
The law of Moses was not given to the nations.
JLB
The law of Moses was never given to the nations.
The law of Moses was not given to the nations.
The nations were never under the law of Moses.
All the same point.
Deborah13
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I just don't know what their relationship was. God words are sometimes not literal or only pertain to a certain situation. I've never studied that out at all.28 Who says of Cyrus, ‘He is My shepherd,
And he shall perform all My pleasure,
Saying to Jerusalem, “You shall be built,”
And to the temple, “Your foundation shall be laid.”’ Isaiah 44:28
He shall do all My pleasure.
Sounds very much like what God said about Abraham.
Or, maybe God decided to mix things up and use an unrighteousness King to be a type of Christ.
JLB
Malachi
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JLB,
Both Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus believed in the one true God YHWH and proclaimed that truth in their empires. So Cyrus was righteous just like Abraham was righteous -- by grace through faith. And God used Cyrus to cause the Temple at Jerusalem to be rebuilt. In fact Scripture says that God "stirred up his spirit". Only those who are righteous (such as Zerubbabel) had their spirits stirred up by God.