Bible Study Is the Rapture Doctrine a tool of deception?

[Brother Mike]

so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.


He comes a Second time... not a third or fourth.

This truth of Jesus Coming once more, deals with the unbiblical doctrine of preterism and pre-trib rapture.



Examples of Apostasy in the Christian church
by Matt Slick


JLB

yes, The part of the verse you forget. A second time for those looking for him, as in what I posted to Dianegcook. Read all the post. ONLY FOR THOSE PREPARED AND LOOKING. Not the rest of the World who will see him coming in clouds no matter what they are doing. As in the last part of Matt 24.

Though I read through Matt Slick and agree with his Assessments of these major denominations like the Methodist Church now so infused with faggots (Homosexuals for the political correct) the folks should come out, and not even assosiate by name the same. Even their boy scouts are ruined and corrupt. This is what happens when you have a SOF (Statement of Faith) that is something other than the Bible like the book of Discipline and the Book of Concord for the now gay Lutheran church.

However, I could care less who Matt Slick is or any other commentator. I study on my own and hope not to pick up the junk from other confused people.

You need to stand on your own, and not depend on what other people wrote and studied out.

Jesus only comes the 2nd time, the Day of Christ (Anointed) for those who are Looking for him. His servant which we don't know the day or hour of him coming for the Church.

We know exactly down to the last half hour when he comes with the Angels by the release of the Seals and Trumpet, vials events.
That day won't take us by surprise, because we escape the Wrath to fall on the whole world.

Now start quoting the whole verse.

The word ruach , Spirit occurs 389 times in the Hebrew O.T.
1.God as being invisible, the spirit of Jehovah
2.The Holy Spirit
3.Invisible divine power manifesting itself, in creation, Gen.1:2, in giving life, Ezek. 37.14,
4.Invisible, "Power from on High"
5. The invisible part of man, at birth and returning to God at death, breath, Gen. 6:17
6. The invisible characters of man, and so forth.
And as far as the seals, my belief, this is wisdom planted, sealed, in ones forehead, mind, wisdom of the trumps that are about to sound.
God's wrath happens one time, not 3.
Seal
Rev.6:17, the great day of His wrath is come.
Rev.11:18 7th trump.
They wrath is come
Rev.16:17
Vial, it is done

Thus, I disagree with ya.

In Rev.9:4
Satan and His angels are not to harm those with the seal in their foreheads.
They are armed with truth, will not believe the smoke, brimstone, that issues out of his mouth, lies.

Good day

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
(Rev 11:15)

Who told you to start counting trumpets? There are 7 Angels that Start events. We don't count what Scripture does not tell us to count, and Trumpets are never counted, but just a type of sound to start an event. Tribulation ends when the 7th Angel sounds.

Raunch means breath, the OT did not have a Word for Spirit, but context is also important not having a Word to describe a spiritual principle the language did not cover, so spirit as in what the Greek has is good enough if the context is right.

Salvation does not mean born again either in Greek, but it was used for the new concept Jesus brought. It means to be physically healed and put in Saftey.

The 144,000 get a seal, Jewish decent, they are raptured to God's throne room in the middle somewhere, and the locust like creatures can not harm them only.
We are sealed by the Holy Spirit, not a angelic seal.

If we are left here, we are subject to the torment of those beast that come from the pit. Number 20 something as to why we are not here.

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
(Rev 7:2-4)

The Seals are given "BEFORE" the Angels sound their events.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(Rev 9:1-4)

The Seal protects the 144,000 from God's wrath,

Since believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit, not a angelic Seal on the forehead, then if your here, you will be in great torment running from these creatures.

Think about it...........

Mike.

 

[JLB]

However, I could care less who Matt Slick is or any other commentator. I study on my own and hope not to pick up the junk from other confused people.

:nod

yes, The part of the verse you forget. A second time for those looking for him, as in what I posted to Dianegcook. Read all the post. ONLY FOR THOSE PREPARED AND LOOKING. Not the rest of the World who will see him coming in clouds no matter what they are doing. As in the last part of Matt 24.

He appears a second time, for salvation...

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Read what it says, and stop reading into it, what you have been taught by confused people.


He appears a second time, period. for those who eagerly wait for Him, salvation.

For those who don't know Him, judgement and wrath...

and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-10

Get it straight! reba again


JLB

 

[reba]

about post # 219 JLB ?

 

[Brother Mike]

:nod



He appears a second time, for salvation...

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Read what it says, and stop reading into it, what you have been taught by confused people.


He appears a second time, period. for those who eagerly wait for Him, salvation.

For those who don't know Him, judgement and wrath...


JLB

Your adding for those that don't know him judgement and wrath, that is not in the passage or chapter. He appears only the 2nd time for those looking for him as the scripture says. Every angle I got you covered, because I am right.

Now just give it up, and go pack, your coming with me.

Mike.

 

[JLB]

Your adding for those that don't know him judgement and wrath, that is not in the passage or chapter. He appears only the 2nd time for those looking for him as the scripture says. Every angle I got you covered, because I am right.

Now just give it up, and go pack, your coming with me.

Mike.

He appears for SALVATION, for those who eagerly await for Him.

You are dead wrong about the pre-trib Rapture doctrine, and are furthering an unbiblical doctrine.

No where in all the bible is there any hint of such nonsense.

The resurrection of the dead in Christ comes before the Rapture, at the coming of the Lord.

Case closed. Checkmate.

Any person who is serious about the truth in this matter can show very easily that the Resurrection of the dead in Christ comes AFTER THE TRIBULATION, at His Coming.

His Coming is after the tribulation.

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31


There is one Second Coming of the Lord, in which He gathers His people at the Resurrection and Rapture.

He comes a Second Time.

That's why it's called the second Coming.

The resurrection is at the Second Coming.

When He Comes at the Second Coming, EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, AND HE WILL GATHER HIS PEOPLE AT THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE, WHICH HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME.

The coming of the Lord is after the tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31
The Resurrection and Rapture occurs at the coming of the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17


The same coming [Parousia] of the Lord, which is the Second Coming, is described in 1 Thessalonians 4, as well as Matthew 24:29-31


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


JLB

 

[JLB]

What is your accounting of the conversations after His resurrection with Mary and then Thomas. ...

Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Joh_20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

My accounting comes from scripture.

2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen,
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God...
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." Acts 1:2-3,9-11

This is the day in which He was taken up to heaven.

He will come in like manner a second time, for salvation, to those who eagerly wait for Him. Hebrews 9:28


JLB

 

[dianegcook]

yes, The part of the verse you forget. A second time for those looking for him, as in what I posted to Dianegcook. Read all the post. ONLY FOR THOSE PREPARED AND LOOKING. Not the rest of the World who will see him coming in clouds no matter what they are doing. As in the last part of Matt 24.

Though I read through Matt Slick and agree with his Assessments of these major denominations like the Methodist Church now so infused with faggots (Homosexuals for the political correct) the folks should come out, and not even assosiate by name the same. Even their boy scouts are ruined and corrupt. This is what happens when you have a SOF (Statement of Faith) that is something other than the Bible like the book of Discipline and the Book of Concord for the now gay Lutheran church.

However, I could care less who Matt Slick is or any other commentator. I study on my own and hope not to pick up the junk from other confused people.

You need to stand on your own, and not depend on what other people wrote and studied out.

Jesus only comes the 2nd time, the Day of Christ (Anointed) for those who are Looking for him. His servant which we don't know the day or hour of him coming for the Church.

We know exactly down to the last half hour when he comes with the Angels by the release of the Seals and Trumpet, vials events.
That day won't take us by surprise, because we escape the Wrath to fall on the whole world.

Now start quoting the whole verse.



And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
(Rev 11:15)

Who told you to start counting trumpets? There are 7 Angels that Start events. We don't count what Scripture does not tell us to count, and Trumpets are never counted, but just a type of sound to start an event. Tribulation ends when the 7th Angel sounds.

Raunch means breath, the OT did not have a Word for Spirit, but context is also important not having a Word to describe a spiritual principle the language did not cover, so spirit as in what the Greek has is good enough if the context is right.

Salvation does not mean born again either in Greek, but it was used for the new concept Jesus brought. It means to be physically healed and put in Saftey.

The 144,000 get a seal, Jewish decent, they are raptured to God's throne room in the middle somewhere, and the locust like creatures can not harm them only.
We are sealed by the Holy Spirit, not a angelic seal.

If we are left here, we are subject to the torment of those beast that come from the pit. Number 20 something as to why we are not here.

And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
(Rev 7:2-4)

The Seals are given "BEFORE" the Angels sound their events.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
(Rev 9:1-4)

The Seal protects the 144,000 from God's wrath,

Since believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit, not a angelic Seal on the forehead, then if your here, you will be in great torment running from these creatures.


Think about it...........

Mike.

These creatures are fallen angels.
They can not torment me.
I have power over them in Jesus's name.
Yes the trumps are after the seals.
The seals are the knowledge of the trumps beforehand.
God said it wouldn't be easy, that is why some come up with this fly away doctrine.
Afraid to stand up against him.
No problems, no persecution, wow, opposite of what the Word says.
Just like in Ezek. 13:18-22
Hunt for souls to make them fly.
With lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad, and strengthened the hands of the wicked...that he should not turn from his wicked ways.
They slay the souls that should not die, and save the souls that should not live.
We will see one day whom got it right, until then, I will study. Not man's word.
Even in Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, it states the gathering does not take place until after the tribulation.
2Thess.2: also said it.

Spirit, Gen.1:2 and a lot of other places.
Hebrew, #7307, ruach, from #7306, life. Wind, breathe, a region of the sky, by resemblance spirit, air, mind.

See ya around...

 

[reba]

That is not an answer .... so i will try again..
Did Jesus say this ....to Mary? Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Tell me JLB what was the difference when He said this to Thomas?
Joh_20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

I personally do not have a problem with Jesus accending coming back accending .. after all He is God. it is mankind's understanding that get messed up not Him... .I do believe we agree on that ....

 

[Corn Pop]

If you all spent the amount of energy on here acturally talking with God, and not about him , debating your theorys, he might just give you some wisdom. Just saying.

 

[reba]

If you all spent the amount of energy on here acturally talking with God, and not about him , debating your theorys, he might just give you some wisdom. Just saying.

Quoted this so you couldn't delete it :biggrin

 

[Brother Mike]

These creatures are fallen angels.
They can not torment me.
I have power over them in Jesus's name.
Yes the trumps are after the seals.
The seals are the knowledge of the trumps beforehand.
God said it wouldn't be easy, that is why some come up with this fly away doctrine.
Afraid to stand up against him.
No problems, no persecution, wow, opposite of what the Word says.
Just like in Ezek. 13:18-22
Hunt for souls to make them fly.
With lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad, and strengthened the hands of the wicked...that he should not turn from his wicked ways.
They slay the souls that should not die, and save the souls that should not live.
We will see one day whom got it right, until then, I will study. Not man's word.
Even in Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, it states the gathering does not take place until after the tribulation.
2Thess.2: also said it.

Spirit, Gen.1:2 and a lot of other places.
Hebrew, #7307, ruach, from #7306, life. Wind, breathe, a region of the sky, by resemblance spirit, air, mind.

See ya around...

The reason we are not here is because of the mystery of Iniquity that is being allowed to work now. However, your missing the key scriptures that pinpoint the argument you ignored the fact that I said if your right you get chased by winged creatures and tormented, and you don't know the few key verses that both arguments end up at. That tells me you have lots more to learn, and I am wasting time here.

My accounting comes from scripture.

2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen,
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God...
9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." Acts 1:2-3,9-11

This is the day in which He was taken up to heaven.

He will come in like manner a second time, for salvation, to those who eagerly wait for Him. Hebrews 9:28


JLB

yes, he comes for those waiting on him, but only for those looking for him, not the rest that are not. Your changing the verse again.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
(Heb 9:28)

The two verbs qualify the adjective following and both conditions of both verbs are given.

VERB: apekdechomai Means more than to wait on something, it means with Ernest expectation, assiduously and patiently waiting.
VERB: optanomai Means to allow oneself to be seen
Adjective: deuteros The other two times, or other two from DUO.

There is nothing in there that qualifies those who are not expecting him with ernast hope that He will apppear for them or He will make himself seen for them.

You have to twist the Greek around and make stuff up to get it to say that.

so also the Christ, once having been offered to bear the sins of many, a second time, apart from a sin-offering, shall appear, to those waiting for him--to salvation!
(Heb 9:28) YLT

 

[Sinthesis]

Are the two main flavors of rapture doctrine both errant? Yes; but that doesn't mean that the deception they promote is enough to keep Christians from their promised personal salvation. The real damage is the attitude of discord they promote amongst Christians who fervently believe their own chosen favorite flavor must be correct.

It never takes long in rapture threads. Notice that both pre-trib and post-trib sides assume the general rapture doctrine, but revert to sectarian discord over whose flavor tastes best. Of course the answer is to challenge the general rapture theory. I see it as a Frankenstein's monster of scripture parts that have no business being stitched together. Of course just pointing this out usually sends the townsfolk after me with torches and pitchforks.

 

[smaller]

He never left the earth, from Birth to His leaving to heaven in the sight of His disciple and those who witnessed Him leave.

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." Acts 1:9-11

By the scripture.

Not by commentary, not by human reasoning, by the word of truth.

Indeed! He ROSE, Resurrected, purposefully, into OBSCURITY. That is part of the meaning of clouds in the scripture.

2 Samuel 22:12
And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies.

Were He not obscured, in His Fullness, the world would erupt with life. Rocks could spring to LIFE, raised as children of Abraham!

Even the angels inquired of those who witnessed this, with a question. I love it when I see heavenly messengers asking questions in the scriptures, as they are significant, and convey MUCH truth.

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

And yes, He comes the SAME WAY in return, OBSCURED, into all who have received Him into their hearts. He sits in the least of our brethren, obscured, unseen. Matt. 25

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

The SECOND COMING is Christ, revealed IN us. He is however, already within the body of His people, as The 'seed.'

Our Hope.

The Second Coming is the THROWING OFF of our WRAPPING, the present COVERING.

Like chicks pecking through our shells. heh heh

 

[smaller]

If you all spent the amount of energy on here acturally talking with God, and not about him , debating your theorys, he might just give you some wisdom. Just saying.

Ah, but you see, HIS BREAD, HIS WORD, is meant to be BROKEN apart amongst us, and shared, passed around.

That's how part of how He Works.

 

[smaller]

Of course the answer is to challenge the general rapture theory. I see it as a Frankenstein's monster of scripture parts that have no business being stitched together. Of course just pointing this out usually sends the townsfolk after me with torches and pitchforks.

The matters are purposefully obscured. This scripture set was posted in the end time section here, a few years back. It's quite interesting, the DIVERSITY:

The many "comings" of Christ from Scripture:

In Mark 13:26 He comes with CLOUDS.
In Matthew 24:27 He comes as LIGHTNING.
In Revelation 16:15 He comes as a THIEF.
In Matthew 25:6 He comes as the BRIDEGROOM.
In Revelation 22:16 and 2:28 He comes as the MORNING STAR.
In Malachi 4:2 He comes as the SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ARISING.
In Philippians 3:20-21 He comes in RESURRECTION POWER.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 He comes in FLAMING FIRE.
In Malachi 3:1-3 He comes to His priesthood company as REFINER'S FIRE and FULLER'S SOAP.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 He comes IN THE AIR.
In Hosea 6:3 and James 5:7-8 He comes as the RAIN.
In Revelation 19:11 & 14 He comes on a WHITE HORSE.
In Matthew 25:31-34 He comes as KING.
In 1 Peter 5:4 He comes as the CHIEF SHEPHERD.
In Matthew 16:27 He comes WITH HIS ANGELS.
In Jude 14 He comes WITH HIS SAINTS.
In John 14:18 He comes TO HIS SAINTS.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:10 He comes IN HIS SAINTS.
In Jude 14 & 15 He comes in JUDGMENT.
In Revelation 22:12 He comes WITH REWARDS.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 He comes with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with the trump of God.

And in REALITY, He never left us or forsook us. Hebrews 13:5

The Kingdom of God comes not with OBSERVATION. Luke 17:20

So, everyone who is "observing" external signs, will NEVER see Him Coming. They are wasting their time. The Lord of ALL CREATION stood before the eyes of flesh men, Spoke, Did His Works, and they didn't have a clue, with His First Physical Appearance in the temple of Israel.

Talk about being HIDDEN in OPEN SIGHT.

How sad is that? Really? Are we really THAT blind?

uh, yeah. The personal scriptural investigations of blindness, deafness, being mute, lame, halted, and partial sights are where His Treasures AND His Power, are hidden. The places NO HYPOCRITE can tread in their binding blinding PRIDE, which is satanic.

And yes, The Word of God Is Living and Active, right now, as we speak, OPENLY APPARENT, particularly on the dark side of the ledgers, actively WORKING.

Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

God in Christ actually JUDGED the churches LONG ago, divided and scattered us. And tossed us ALL into Mystery Babylon.

 

[JLB]

That is not an answer .... so i will try again..
Did Jesus say this ....to Mary? Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Tell me JLB what was the difference when He said this to Thomas?
Joh_20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

I personally do not have a problem with Jesus accending coming back accending .. after all He is God. it is mankind's understanding that get messed up not Him... .I do believe we agree on that ....

Jesus was taken up to heaven in this verse as described in Acts 1.

1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Acts 1:1-3

...being seen by them during forty days.

Jesus remained with them, and was seen by them for 40 days and gave them commandments until the day He was taken up.


The Day Jesus was taken up to heaven -

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11


Do you know what the Lord Jesus, was doing just before He was taken up to heaven in their sight, here in verse 9?

Jesus was giving commands to His Apostles, and speaking to them about the kingdom.

4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, "which," He said, "you have heard from Me;
5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."
6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?"
7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:4-8


To Summarize -

Jesus was presented alive to His Apostles, and gave commandments to them, until the Day...

He was with them, being presented alive to them and giving them commandments, until the day... He was taken up to heaven.


He was still giving commandments here in verse 4, as He was seen by them, and received commandments from Him during the 40 days He was with Him, up until the day He was taken up.

I see nothing here in Acts 1 that He was taken up to Heaven, some time before, and came back, and then went up again.
This account shows us a continual time He was seen by them and gave them commandments, right up until the Day He was taken up to Heaven.

The Day He was taken up to heaven is described in Acts 1:9-11, not some time before.

Likewise He will come a second time, for salvation, for those who eagerly wait for Him. Hebrews 9:28


JLB

 

[JLB]

It never takes long in rapture threads. Notice that both pre-trib and post-trib sides assume the general rapture doctrine, but revert to sectarian discord over whose flavor tastes best. Of course the answer is to challenge the general rapture theory. I see it as a Frankenstein's monster of scripture parts that have no business being stitched together. Of course just pointing this out usually sends the townsfolk after me with torches and pitchforks.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Here is the scripture that shows the Lord together with the resurrected ones, and the raptured ones.

Please share what parts don't belong together, in this verse.

The Lord, The Resurrected dead in Christ, those who are alive and remain that are caught up together with them to meet the Lord.

This is called by Jesus and Paul, the gathering, whereby His people are gathered together unto Him.

This occurs at His Coming.


JLB

 

[HalleluYAH]

Amos 8:11-12
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

 

[smaller]

Amos 8:11-12
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Isaiah 29:11
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

 

[HalleluYAH]

Isaiah 29:11
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

If you're not sealed by God, you will be sealed by Satan (mark of the beast).