Is There a Supernatural Devil?

[Elvispelvis]

Is there a Devil?


Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

Why do believe in the devil when it says Jesus destroyed the devil?

The devil is the personification of sin!

In Proverbs a woman is the personification of wisdom.
. Does Abraham , Isacc, Jacob, King David mention the devil?
Never not once for any of them Why?
It must mean they dont believe in a supernatural being that makes us sin!

You say Im wrong the devil was in the garden of eden.
The Bible never said the devil but the serpent spoke.
Animals can talk if God allows them to , what about Baalims donkey it spoke!

Why does God curse the serpent if it was the devil?
Why does nt Eve blame the devil?
Why doesnt the serpent blame the devil?

The devil a supernatural being that sinned in heaven is a fable.
Eloheim, The angels , the Mighty ones cannot sin.
They have an immortal nature not a sin nature .
What is the sense of gaining immortality if you still sin and die.?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

They did it in his name so they must be Christians. Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here are the Christians being rejected at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Look up the word devil in Greek=Transliteration =diabolos=1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
,,, so anyone who does this is a devil,,,,
a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

So if your a false accuser your a diabolos.

The modern Devil comes from Greek Mythology past down through the ages. A fable to pass the buck saying "the devil made me do it ."

What does Jesus say about where sin comes from?

Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. FROM WITHIN MAN, NOT THE DEVIL.

FROM WITHIN COMES THE EVIL , NOT THE DEVIL.

Have you ever read this before, there is no room for the devil or satan.

Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

To be continued........ May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

 

[smaller]

Is there a Devil?
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

Why do believe in the devil when it says Jesus destroyed the devil?

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Both sin and death remain. The fulfillment of these matters regarding destruction also remains.

The devil is the personification of sin!

In Proverbs a woman is the personification of wisdom.
. Does Abraham , Isacc, Jacob, King David mention the devil?
Never not once for any of them Why?

All had interactions with evil/sin. David had interactions with Satan.

It must mean they dont believe in a supernatural being that makes us sin!

Then your conclusion MUST follow that that Jesus, when speaking with Satan in the temptation was speaking to himself.

You say Im wrong the devil was in the garden of eden.
The Bible never said the devil but the serpent spoke.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Animals can talk if God allows them to , what about Baalims donkey it spoke!
Why does God curse the serpent if it was the devil?

Deception is his sin/seed.

Why does nt Eve blame the devil?

She did. Gen. 3:13

Why doesnt the serpent blame the devil?

The serpent is the devil.

The devil a supernatural being that sinned in heaven is a fable.
Eloheim, The angels , the Mighty ones cannot sin.
They have an immortal nature not a sin nature .
What is the sense of gaining immortality if you still sin and die.?

The notion that Satan was once holy and immortal is false.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

They did it in his name so they must be Christians. Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christians have sin and sin is of the devil. The devil WILL be spoken to IN CHRISTIANS.

Here are the Christians being rejected at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Look up the word devil in Greek=Transliteration =diabolos=1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
,,, so anyone who does this is a devil,,,,
a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

So if your a false accuser your a diabolos.

The devil is IN mankind from temptation thoughts through to sin actions.

The modern Devil comes from Greek Mythology past down through the ages. A fable to pass the buck saying "the devil made me do it ."

Jesus says otherwise:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What does Jesus say about where sin comes from?

Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. FROM WITHIN MAN, NOT THE DEVIL.

So says you. IF the devil is connected to SIN (1 John 3:8) and ENTERS hearts where THE WORD is sown, the math is simple.

FROM WITHIN COMES THE EVIL , NOT THE DEVIL.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

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[coffeeelover]

The bible was written over a long period of time by different people. The older books don't have the devil, but the newer ones do. The devil character was invented half way through.

 

[Elijah674]

The bible was written over a long period of time by different people. The older books don't have the devil, but the newer ones do. The devil character was invented half way through.

??? K.J. Bible Rev. 12 is dated AD 96 & Gen. goes by BC 4004 with the names for the serpent in the Garden of Eden & Rev. And he was 'allready' there! And he was a lot older than Gods first earthly creation Adam!

I do not know where your spiritual IQ is, but you might read our Rev. 12's 'serpent' from the most legalist of ones book? Gen. 3 has the name serpent in their Jewish Publication Society even though they do not believe in the N.T. And you can read their Isa. 14:12-14 + Eze. 28 chapters as well. And the SCAPEGOAT section if I remember correctly agree with that of Beelzebub.

--Elijah

 

[Elvispelvis]

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1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Both sin and death remain. The fulfillment of these matters regarding destruction also remains.-----------------------

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Good I see you agree with the fact that the works of the devil were destroyed by the Son of God.

This is a good starting point. So in the age we live in the works of the devil have been destroyed.

You have stated over and over how the devil is making us do things and how he is running this world yet the
bible says the works of the devil are destroyed. Hmmmmmmm who should I follow you or the bible>

You love to make big fat claims with no scripture to back you up.

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All had interactions with evil/sin. David had interactions with Satan.---------------------------------------
E"
Are you able to show bible verses that say what you claim?

All the verses from the new testament should be discarded until you grasp the OT teachings. Yahshua only ever spoke in parables which are had to be understood.

if you havent studied the OT where Yahshua taught from.

So if you are able to concentrate on just Genesis so we can discuss things logically and in order.

Please try to refrain from any new testament verses we will deal with them later in due order.

Do you agree that the words devil or satan do not appear any where in Genesis.?

Do you agree that God can make any animal talk?

Do you believe this statement "
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?â€

Do you agree that it does not say the devil or satan?
We are warned not to add to the word of God!

Come let us reason to gether.

 

[Elvispelvis]

Quote Originally Posted by coffeeelover View Post
The bible was written over a long period of time by different people. The older books don't have the devil, but the newer ones do. The devil character was invented half way through.

E"
Yes coffeelover you have hit the nail on the head. That is why there is no mention of "The Devil or Satan"
The devil comes from Greek Mythology , satan comes from Greek Mythology.
The bible was not written in English.
The authors of the NT were Jews who spoke after their customs and traditions which are very difficult things
for us to grasp till we study history books.
Then the English bible translated from other languages and faiths and beliefs of the translators so we end up with
a story retold over and over leading to confusion.

Clearly if you say the works of the devil are still with us, you disagree with the bible that says The Son OF GOD destroyed the works of the devil.

Who are you going to believe your church or your bible?

 

[Elvispelvis]

elijah
I do not know where your spiritual IQ is, but you might read our Rev. 12's 'serpent' from the most legalist of ones book? Gen. 3 has the name serpent in their Jewish Publication Society even though they do not believe in the N.T. And you can read their Isa. 14:12-14 + Eze. 28 chapters as well. And the SCAPEGOAT section if I remember correctly agree with that of Beelzebub.------------------------------------------------------


Elvispelvis"

I shall endeavor, to not use the NT and would ask you to do the same. The NT is full of parables, metaphors,
symbolism which is meant to cause strong delusions from God. Yahshua only ever spoke in riddles wrapped in an enigma , called parables. We will deal with NT later.

So you mention the story of King Nebuchadrezzer the King of Babylon which is the story of how he was cast down
to the earth to eat grass when God made him insane.
Like most modern churches you do not study the OT but pass on the fairy tale of Lucifer, a fable handed down
through the churches for hundreds of years.
You totally disregard the first verses of Isaiah 14 were it clearly states this is against the KIng of Babylon"
Isaiah 14
3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage,
4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

If churches did their homework and learn to put things in context instead of taking a couple of verses
just to prove they are right they twist the word.

Lucifer just means a light nothing else.
It was KIng Neb who fell to the earth after referring to himself as the Morning Light and made all worship him as God. If you did not worship him as God he threw you into the firey furnace.
These things are facts of history that take time to study and effort working out your own salvation with
trembling and fear.
JUst because the word Lucifer was used modern churches say see there is the devil in the OT.
When time and care are taken to study His word then a completely different picture emerges than modern churches teach.

 

[Chris]

Elvis, maybe you should close your bible for a minute and stop thinking so much (hopefully said respectfully)! Have you ever been scared at night or felt the evil in some things or around places and some people I have heard a couple of spins on this the new age guys think the devil is some sort of bad energy that governs itself. others say the devil is only internally part of us the bad part of our conscience. If you had to go by your gut instincts alone what would you think?

 

[Elvispelvis]

Chris " "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !

For forty years I have challenged the devil openly to come forward and show yourself you ugly, horned, red,
demon, bring it on.

Nothing has ever happened ever.

I challenge satan to a battle to the death yet he does not ever appear.

I call the devil jerks and idiots who are cowards afraid of little ole me.

No answers, no attacks, because there is nothing there.
I openly challenge ghosts, goblins, demons, to a battle in which i will destroy them with the word of God.

Why should I be afraid of fairy tales, fables, old wives tales past down through the ages.

Then modern christians make up one of the most stupid non scriptural statements I have ever heard'
"THE DEVIL GREATEST TRICK IS TO MAKE YOU THINK HE IS NOT THERE "

What a load of hooey.
I walk into haunted houses and challenge demons yet I am still here.

There is no power other than God.
You say you do not want to use the bible to proof or disprove because God's word is not good enough for you.

What your asking me to do is foolish to the absurd to ignore the truth for your inner feelings.
Using this logic you are in fact listening to the devil inside you.

Those so called feelings you put so much faith in are just the inner man talking and Paul said we have an inner warfare. The scientists say the human mind is a powerful tool, which will kill you ,if you have a will to die.
It can make people live through terrible tragedy, horrible accidents, were the doctors say his will to live is so strong.

Have you ever heard of frightened to death.
Often we here they died of a broken heart.

To go by inner feelings is to listen to a fool filled with images from TV Movies, fairy tales about satan the devil
demons thousands of pictures since childhood so without God's word to set you straight you go against
Gods word to believe a lie .

Therfore you get what you deserve "FEAR OF DEVIL"
We are taught the whole duty of man is to fear God but modern churches fear satan and the devil.

The devil is a sniveling , whiny coward, afraid to show his face to me because he is not there.
God says I will send them strong delusions so they will believe a lie.

 

[Chris]

Chris " "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !

For forty years I have challenged the devil openly to come forward and show yourself you ugly, horned, red,
demon, bring it on.

Nothing has ever happened ever.

I challenge satan to a battle to the death yet he does not ever appear.

I call the devil jerks and idiots who are cowards afraid of little ole me.

No answers, no attacks, because there is nothing there.
I openly challenge ghosts, goblins, demons, to a battle in which i will destroy them with the word of God.

Why should I be afraid of fairy tales, fables, old wives tales past down through the ages.

Then modern christians make up one of the most stupid non scriptural statements I have ever heard'
"THE DEVIL GREATEST TRICK IS TO MAKE YOU THINK HE IS NOT THERE "

What a load of hooey.
I walk into haunted houses and challenge demons yet I am still here.

There is no power other than God.
You say you do not want to use the bible to proof or disprove because God's word is not good enough for you.

What your asking me to do is foolish to the absurd to ignore the truth for your inner feelings.
Using this logic you are in fact listening to the devil inside you.

Those so called feelings you put so much faith in are just the inner man talking and Paul said we have an inner warfare. The scientists say the human mind is a powerful tool, which will kill you ,if you have a will to die.
It can make people live through terrible tragedy, horrible accidents, were the doctors say his will to live is so strong.

Have you ever heard of frightened to death.
Often we here they died of a broken heart.

To go by inner feelings is to listen to a fool filled with images from TV Movies, fairy tales about satan the devil
demons thousands of pictures since childhood so without God's word to set you straight you go against
Gods word to believe a lie .

Therfore you get what you deserve "FEAR OF DEVIL"
We are taught the whole duty of man is to fear God but modern churches fear satan and the devil.

The devil is a sniveling , whiny coward, afraid to show his face to me because he is not there.
God says I will send them strong delusions so they will believe a lie.

one night in bed i was 19 this big black thing came in my bedroom it grabbed me as I slept choked me and pushed me don hard on my bed it was very evil. finally It went away Another time it returned, this time It couldn't stay because I commanded it leave in Jesus name.

What I was meaning about your bible friend is at some point the writers of the word of god experienced life without scriptures and probably experienced things without filling thier minds with theories of how things need to be.

Many people christian or not have a sense of an evil entity with different names. There is some funny things that go on in this world that would point to the existence of a supernatural devil. please don't be offended what I said I was trying to look at it from another perspective that's all

 

[Alabaster]

Yes there is a devil, and he is of the angelic order, so he has some supernatural power, but nothing that Jesus can't counter easily.

Satan is an idiot.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

one night in bed i was 19 this big black thing came in my bedroom it grabbed me as I slept choked me and pushed me don hard on my bed it was very evil. finally It went away Another time it returned, this time It couldn't stay because I commanded it leave in Jesus name.

What I was meaning about your bible friend is at some point the writers of the word of god experienced life without scriptures and probably experienced things without filling thier minds with theories of how things need to be.

Its not so much about how things need to be, but how they are.

Many people christian or not have a sense of an evil entity with different names.

None seem to agree on what exactly this evil is. That should tell you about the subjectivity of how people relate to religion.

There is some funny things that go on in this world that would point to the existence of a supernatural devil.

Not really, especially since most cases fail to show supernatural evidence under laboratory conditions.

please don't be offended what I said I was trying to look at it from another perspective that's all

Quick question, where you heavily stressed when this happened? What you described to me is more like night terrors. Common symptons of night terrors are sleep paralysis and having a hard time breathing. Ocationally screaming

The idea of Jesus was a comforting thought, so it gave you something to hold onto to ride out the stress and make you feel like you have some kind of control.

 

[theLords]

Chris " "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE !

For forty years I have challenged the devil openly to come forward and show yourself you ugly, horned, red,
demon, bring it on.

Nothing has ever happened ever.

I challenge satan to a battle to the death yet he does not ever appear.

I call the devil jerks and idiots who are cowards afraid of little ole me.

No answers, no attacks, because there is nothing there.
I openly challenge ghosts, goblins, demons, to a battle in which i will destroy them with the word of God.

Why should I be afraid of fairy tales, fables, old wives tales past down through the ages.

Why would the devil appear to you? He's not stupid. If the devil appears to you, then you have to reconsider everything you believe in. You would have to rethink your doctrine and that may possibly lead you to the path of salvation. Why would the devil want that? By not appearing he keeps you in the darkness that you are currently in.

 

[Colton B]

Yes there is, I do not know why you say there is not...

1 John 3:8
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

If there was no devil, why did God come to destroy his works? There is a devil, it is not some passed on fable. The devil is truly a fallen angel, here in first John it even states that the Devil has been sinning from the beginning, and whoever sins is of the devil.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Satan was thrown down from Heaven in the beginning and his "angels" otherwise known as demons were cast down with him.

Luke 4:1-13
1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”
9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully;11 they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ 12 Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” 13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.

If there was no devil and it is just a personification of sin how is he speaking, how is he tempting Jesus?
The devil is a fallen angel and that is not some fable. He is not a personification, he is a real thing.
__________________________________________________________________________________________
The verses given about the heart being root of sin, there are verses about eyes and feet causing to sin. Satan is not the only thing that causes to sin.

Satan aka the devil is real and not some personification..

 

[Chris]

Its not so much about how things need to be, but how they are.

None seem to agree on what exactly this evil is. That should tell you about the subjectivity of how people relate to religion. Not really, especially since most cases fail to show supernatural evidence under laboratory conditions. Quick question, where you heavily stressed when this happened? What you described to me is more like night terrors. Common symptons of night terrors are sleep paralysis and having a hard time breathing. Ocationally screaming

The idea of Jesus was a comforting thought, so it gave you something to hold onto to ride out the stress and make you feel like you have some kind of control.

nah mate I was a fun loving teeenager 19 years old having the time of my life. never saw it coming. But at the same time i was a commited christian although a naughty teenage one struggling to be sinless

 

[Bazz1040]

Is there a Devil?


Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

Why do believe in the devil when it says Jesus destroyed the devil?

The devil is the personification of sin!

In Proverbs a woman is the personification of wisdom.
. Does Abraham , Isacc, Jacob, King David mention the devil?
Never not once for any of them Why?
It must mean they dont believe in a supernatural being that makes us sin!

You say Im wrong the devil was in the garden of eden.
The Bible never said the devil but the serpent spoke.
Animals can talk if God allows them to , what about Baalims donkey it spoke!

Why does God curse the serpent if it was the devil?
Why does nt Eve blame the devil?
Why doesnt the serpent blame the devil?

The devil a supernatural being that sinned in heaven is a fable.
Eloheim, The angels , the Mighty ones cannot sin.
They have an immortal nature not a sin nature .
What is the sense of gaining immortality if you still sin and die.?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself [rather] unto godliness.

They did it in his name so they must be Christians. Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Here are the Christians being rejected at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Look up the word devil in Greek=Transliteration =diabolos=1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
,,, so anyone who does this is a devil,,,,
a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

So if your a false accuser your a diabolos.

The modern Devil comes from Greek Mythology past down through the ages. A fable to pass the buck saying "the devil made me do it ."

What does Jesus say about where sin comes from?

Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. FROM WITHIN MAN, NOT THE DEVIL.

FROM WITHIN COMES THE EVIL , NOT THE DEVIL.

Have you ever read this before, there is no room for the devil or satan.

Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

To be continued........ May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

It does not say that Jesus destroyed the Devil........the devil is still here on the Earth. But in spiritual sense Satan has been destroyed, in that his plan for man’s destruction has been stopped cold in its track……he has lost the war, it's just a matter of waiting to see the full result of that destruction.

Satan's seat/throne is where the church in Pergamos was.

Revelation 2:13 (KJV)
13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Scripture tell us that in the future after Jesus returns the Devil or Satan will be bound for a thousand years, and then release for a little while after.

Revelation 20:1-3 (ASV)
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time.

Satan will be destroyed just before the Earth and heaven is made new.

 

[Bazz1040]

The bible was written over a long period of time by different people. The older books don't have the devil, but the newer ones do. The devil character was invented half way through.

On the contrary, it is what you are saying is an invention. An invention put in your mind by Satan himself.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

On the contrary, it is what you are saying is an invention. An invention put in your mind by Satan himself.

If Satan can convince trick people in this way. How do you know what is from God.

What is from Satan.

and What is from our own free will?

 

[westtexas]

If there was no devil and it is just a personification of sin how is he speaking, how is he tempting Jesus?

Excellent point Colton! If Satan or the devil is just a personification of sin--HOW DO YOU PERSONIFY SIN IN A SINLESS INDIVIDUAL SUCH AS CHRIST???

Westtexas

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Of course there is!!!

"Is there a Devil?"

Certainly is - big as life, and full of pure HATE - for you and me.

"Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

Why do believe in the devil when it says Jesus destroyed the devil?"

Because the Bible DOESN'T say the devil was destroyed. Read the Epistles - there's plenty of evidence that he's still around.

A better translation (Katargeo) would be "Render ineffective" or "to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency". But the devil is still there, the "PRINCE of the realm of authority delimited by the extents of the terrestrial atmosphere", and still in the "Deception business" just like always.

"The angels , the Mighty ones cannot sin.
They have an immortal nature not a sin nature .

Really?? prove it! Seems like 1/3 of 'em did just that.

"What does Jesus say about where sin comes from?
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. FROM WITHIN MAN, NOT THE DEVIL.
FROM WITHIN COMES THE EVIL , NOT THE DEVIL."

SO why do you think the KNOWN FACT that "MAN" is basically evil has anything to do with the existence of the devil one way or the other???

"Have you ever read this before, there is no room for the devil or satan."

Nah - there's plenty of room ever read James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

That's where the devil has PLENTY of room to operate.