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Is there anywhere in the Bible that Jesus Freely gave material needs to the poor?

Deborah13 said:
Maybe you could name one or two ways people can be bribed into becoming a Christian? It simply can't be done. We as born again believers know that.
What we do for the unsaved has nothing to do with bribery. We try to show them that God loves them and so they may turn to Him. That is what God has commanded us to do.
If you choose not to, that is between you and God. He knows you heart.
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That is exactly my point! The world uses things to get people on their side, but we can not buy souls for God with our handouts and God won't have them anyway if they only come for what they can get from Him.
You can help one in your path, but the ministry should not set up welfare supplies to those who has not received God. And to show them the love of God with goods will only make them look for you next time they need a hand out. Maybe not for every person, but most.
The welfare system shows us that as they grow lazy and expect it is owed them and use the funds for ungodly things etc..., why even ungrateful children whom you would think would love their own parents prove that, after their parents take care of them all their life, then they turn them out when it is them that need care. YOU can not buy love and God knows this, you are to be kind as possible and even help if you can, but ministries must not give the churches material funds or provision to the ungodly to help them remain in the same condition. Even the prodigal son tells us that. Once the son left, the father did not chase after him, he waited until the son was now ready to come home, otherwise he would be contributing to his condition to remain lost.
 
Willie T said:
I think you just ruined her day, Reba. :lol
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You will know a tree by it's fruit, very Christian like of you Willie T.. I bless you though.
It is not for me to make anyone agree with me, I am only to show them truth. Do as you will
I lose no sleep, for God gives me good rest at night.
Be blessed
 
reba said:
We will not see this the same ..This not a debate forum...
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After 3 pages of responses you can say that? But you are correct it isn't a debate because I believe what is written, I just knew that others would want to debate it.
Blessings
 
4afaithfulone said:
After 3 pages of responses you can say that? But you are correct it isn't a debate because I believe what is written, I just knew that others would want to debate it.
Blessings
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Talking about the function of CFnet... Learning how things are around here can be confusing in the beginning.... Experience has taught us to keep some places light and some not... so this thread has been move to a forum that allows for heartier debate :)
 
reba said:
Talking about the function of CFnet... Learning how things are around here can be confusing in the beginning.... Experience has taught us to keep some places light and some not... so this thread has been move to a forum that allows for heartier debate :)
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Thank you Reba,
Is that picture you when you were a child? if so, you were adorable : )
 
There is this old hymn... the words are sweet..
He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need.
He's all I need,
He's all I need;
Jesus is all I need. etc

A mom story... not long after her first child was born , Mom has my older sister in her arms.,,they were singing that song... . She begins to think .. i need food for my baby .. i need a warm bed for her... those things a mother thinks of.. was mom wrong no... taking care of the baby was her responsibility .. just as we are our brothers keeper...
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1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
 
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BigSodaExposer said:
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Lev 19:9 `And in your reaping the harvest of your land ye do not completely reap the corner of thy field, and the gleaning of thy harvest thou dost not gather,
Lev 19:10 and thy vineyard thou dost not glean, even the omitted part of thy vineyard thou dost not gather, to the poor and to the sojourner thou dost leave them; I am Yehovah your God.
 
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Interesting.

"What about Jesus's first miracle? Turning water into wine? (John 2:1-11) This was wedding supplies. No one was commanded to do anything before He made the wine for them. He didn't say come to me first or hear me preach even, He just did it. Well, His mother sort of asked Him to.

It's clearly shown in scripture that the Lord does for us, before we are believers. (Romans 5:8) It's a little bit of an odd question because that's what Jesus came to the earth for, to give to His people. All people on earth. Ultimately, He gave His life, so if He happened to give some poor soul a few bucks or some blankets or wotnot, and it didn't make it into print, it's kind of understandable. That's pretty much all He did when He was here was give. We can not out give God, that's for sure.

I think it's reasonable to assume that Jesus probably did run across people here and there during His ministry and helped them in practical ways.
John 21:25
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen./

I surmise that deeds such as was asked about, did not make it into scripture because of the lesser importance of the deed as compared to the ones which did make it into print. It's a bigger deal, and would give more glory to God, to give 5000+ people a couple fish, than when He may have given one person a couple fish. That which brings glory to the father. That must be it. :)"

On the flip side of it... do you have any scriptures that say that Jesus did not help unbelievers? (no.) So what is the point that you're trying to make?

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Deborah13 said:
Jesus provided fish and bread for the multitudes who were hungry. They hadn't done anything to receive this blessing except be there receiving spiritual manna from Him.
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I like this and what you said feeding physical as well as spiritual food.
 
I think 4afaithfulone's point was that there is no specific example of Jesus giving material goods to those who did not somehow participate in some activity, even if it was just to sit and listen to Jesus first, though he/she then seems to take it a step further and suggest because such a case is not recorded that it never happened.

I disagree with that, though I think it's true that there is no record where he goes through the streets giving food to people he happens to see sitting along the street and then moving along with no discussion or teaching.

But that's also consistent with what Jesus taught about keeping our charitable acts secret (matthew 6). Perhaps that's why such specific examples are not recorded.
 
have a look at John chapter 9.

did the blind man ask to be healed?
did he first come to Christ, or did Christ seek him out and find him?
 
posthuman said:
have a look at John chapter 9.

did the blind man ask to be healed?
did he first come to Christ, or did Christ seek him out and find him?
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That is a very good point. He healed that man to glorify God. Isn't that why Jesus told us to care for the poor?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, `Neither did this one sin nor his parents, but that the works of God may be manifested in him;
Joh 9:4 it behoveth me to be working the works of Him who sent me while it is day; night doth come, when no one is able to work: --
Joh 9:5 when I am in the world, I am a light of the world.'
Him living in us and the works that we do as His Body, are the light of the world.
 
4afaithfulone said:
I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking
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Jesus, looking upward with food, to feed people.

Jesus took the five loaves and two fish, looked up toward ... two fish, he looked up
to heaven and blessed the food. ... He also gave pieces of the two fish to everyone ...

http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=Jesus+gave+food
 
4afaithfulone said:
After 3 pages of responses you can say that? But you are correct it isn't a debate because I believe what is written, I just knew that others would want to debate it.
Blessings
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4a,

Do you think that Jesus would be denying the content of Proverbs 21:13 (ESV), 'Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered'?

Should my wife and I be closing our ears to the desperate situation of the poor in Central African Republic, Sierra Leone or the Ukraine today?

Oz
 
4afaithfulone said:
I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking
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4a,

Why are you privileging Jesus' words when all Scripture is inspired of God?

I think of what Paul wrote to the Galatian church that was in a very secular culture. Galatians 6:10 (NLT) states, 'Therefore, whenever we have the opportunity, we should do good to everyone--especially to those in the family of faith'.

So doing 'good to everyone' is God's mandate to the Galatians and so to us. I include my wife and my support of 3 children in Africa with Compassion International to be part of my responsibility to doing good to these Africans. My church provides food hampers to needy families in our local community on the recommendation of a local primary (elementary) school. It is not designed to 'buy' any people for the kingdom. It is to meet our biblical responsibility of helping the poor and needy (Prov 21:13 NLT).

Oz
 
OzSpen said:
4a,

Why are you privileging Jesus' words when all Scripture is inspired of God?

I think of what Paul wrote to the Galatian church that was in a very secular culture. Galatians 6:10 (NLT) states, 'Therefore, whenever we have the opportunity, we should do good to everyone--especially to those in the family of faith'.

So doing 'good to everyone' is God's mandate to the Galatians and so to us. I include my wife and my support of 3 children in Africa with Compassion International to be part of my responsibility to doing good to these Africans. My church provides food hampers to needy families in our local community on the recommendation of a local primary (elementary) school. It is not designed to 'buy' any people for the kingdom. It is to meet our biblical responsibility of helping the poor and needy (Prov 21:13 NLT).

Oz
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Hi Oz. I agree that helping the poor is definitely scriptural. There's just so much evidence to support it from all throughout both the old and new testaments. However,in post# 75 I suggested that perhaps we don't see any references to Jesus (or his disciples) handing out food because Jesus said to keep our charitable acts secret.

Something like feeding the 5 thousand is slightly different because there was an obvious miraculous aspect to it that the authors felt was worth recording for the sake of evidence that Jesus really did have God's authority.

However, simple, non-mirculous examples of helping the poor are not recorded. I believe this is probably because of Matthew 6:1-4, where Jesus commands that we do our charitable giving in secret so that only God knows. What do you think about that?
 
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