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Is TULIP biblical?

brightfame52 said:
So without a man being supernaturally made a new creation by the Sovereign Grace and Power of God, he has no hope of Salvation.
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That's why every human born into this world has "natural affection"..... like we still love our children and want what is right for them even when they disobey us.

Unless maybe Calvanists shun their chidren.

"What happened to your 5 year old son?"
"He stole a candy bar so I disowned him. Yep because the Bible says,

their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of aspsis under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction andmisery are in their ways: And the way of peacehave they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Please
 
journeyman said:
That's why every human born into this world has "natural affection"..... like we still love our children and want what is right for them even when they disobey us.

Unless maybe Calvanists shun their chidren.

"What happened to your 5 year old son?"
"He stole a candy bar so I disowned him. Yep because the Bible says,

their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of aspsis under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction andmisery are in their ways: And the way of peacehave they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Please
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This is about Spiritual matters. The Natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit. The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

No matter what the natural man is in the flesh, no matter how much natural affection he has.
 
I think it might help if people realize that all through the Bible there were gentiles who were saved because they believed in God.
Without the Torah they understood offering the sacrifice was following the Sheppard Who is also the Lamb so folliwing the Lamb,

Yet for your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. Psa.44/22 NIV

Read that whole Psalm. Although these were faithful Jews, they're obviously looking ahead to where the blessing God told them they would have. In times of trouble we do the same thing, only looking back on what the Messiah said.

And we have the benefit of knowing why believers have always been persecuted for their faith in God because Jesus is God and was hated Himself.
 
journeyman said:
You seem to have skin which humans are covered with confused with "flesh" in the sense Paul is using it.

But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased. Heb.13:16 😊
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Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. The word cannot denotes no ability. So no matter how sincere, religious , being good parents, helping old ladies across the street, none of that pleases God
 
brightfame52 said:
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. The word cannot denotes no ability. So no matter how sincere, religious , being good parents, helping old ladies across the street, none of that pleases God
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for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, and righteousness, and truth, proving what is well-pleasing to the Lord,
Eph.5:9-10 YLT

So we make it our goal to please him, 2Cor.5:9 NIV

Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. Col.3:20 ESV
 
journeyman said:
for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, and righteousness, and truth, proving what is well-pleasing to the Lord,
Eph.5:9-10 YLT

So we make it our goal to please him, 2Cor.5:9 NIV

Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. Col.3:20 ESV
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The natural man doesnt have the Spirit , he is only born of the flesh.
 
journeyman said:
He was a human being who served God and God was pleased by him.
I also just posted,

Children, obey your parents in everything, for this is well pleasing in the Lord. Col.3:20

Enoch was Noahs' great grandfather. See how God was pleased by them?
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He wasnt in the flesh, and he was seen in Christ. Otherwise men naturally born, in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
brightfame52 said:
He wasnt in the flesh, and he was seen in Christ.
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To be 'in Christ" means walking with Christ,

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom.8:1 KJV

Enoch walked with God, so you're wrong.
brightfame52 said:
Otherwise men naturally born, in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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That's why people taught their children in OT times

And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, Deu.6:7 KJV

Moses taught about the law from the perspective that we're all sinners in need of mercy, so show mercy to others. that's the message of the law,

Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith. Gal.3:24 NET

So you are wrong.
 
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Eze.3:18-20

The resurrection of the Messiah is why God assured Ezekiel not to be afraid.
 
journeyman said:
To be 'in Christ" means walking with Christ,

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom.8:1 KJV

Enoch walked with God, so you're wrong.

That's why people taught their children in OT times

And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, Deu.6:7 KJV

Moses taught about the law from the perspective that we're all sinners in need of mercy, so show mercy to others. that's the message of the law,

Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith. Gal.3:24 NET

So you are wrong.
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Man by nature is in the flesh, and they which are in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
God describes all men by nature Rom 3:9-19
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 
brightfame52 said:
This is about Spiritual matters. The Natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit. The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

No matter what the natural man is in the flesh, no matter how much natural affection he has.
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God desires all men to be saved.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:3-4
 
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