Isaiah 66:23

[Joe Domingo]

I've seen this verse brought up a few times in a Sabbath day discussion.

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I am definitely looking forward to the ingenuity on the workaround of that scripture.

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?

Just to be clear, I do not expect the usual suspects to cave in to this one. I just want to see how you spin around it.

 

[Sinthesis]

I'm not really sure what your interpretation is.
However, from sabbath to sabbath includes the entire week, exposing mere sabbath keeping as shallow by comparison.

 

[Joe Domingo]

I'm not really sure what your interpretation is.
However, from sabbath to sabbath includes the entire week, exposing mere sabbath keeping as shallow by comparison.

Sabbath to another or Sabbath to Sabbath means just that ... it is like saying from one assembly day to another assembly day.

The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.

Seems to me like your understanding is out of context.

 

[chessman]

From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)

The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.

This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

 

[Elijah674]

From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)

The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.

This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

Where is the 'Thus Sayest The Word' in that, with a NEW HEAVEN + EARTH???

Sorry friend, I do not buy into that one!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)

The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.

This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

Where is the 'Thus Sayest The Word' in that, with a NEW HEAVEN + EARTH???

Sorry friend, I do not buy into that one!

--Elijah

 

[chessman]

Where is the 'Thus Sayest The Word' in that, with a NEW HEAVEN + EARTH???

Sorry friend, I do not buy into that one!

--Elijah

I didn't say it God did. I just repeated it.

Is 66:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool;
what is the house that you would build for me,
and what is the place of my rest?

...

22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
that I make
shall remain before me, says the Lord,
so shall your offspring and your name remain.
23 From new moon to new moon,
and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me,
declares the Lord.

 

[Elijah674]

Where is the 'Thus Sayest The Word' in that, with a NEW HEAVEN + EARTH???

Sorry friend, I do not buy into that one!

--Elijah

I didn't say it God did. I just repeated it.

Is 66:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool;
what is the house that you would build for me,
and what is the place of my rest?

...

22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
that I make
shall remain before me, says the Lord,
so shall your offspring and your name remain.
23 From new moon to new moon,
and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me,
declares the Lord.

Sorry again friend, that is not good enough.
These ones are ALL IN HEAVEN!

--Elijah

 

[Joe Domingo]

From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)

The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.

This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

I can appreciate this argument but ...

What is the need for the Word of God to even bring up New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath if we are in a New Heaven and a New Earth and under a new and better system - the realization of the Shadow of better things to come.

I must admit, I do not understand the Lord's reasoning here. If I were bold enough I would say Lord let's move on, the Sabbath is behind us why include it in the New Earth?

I mean, Isaiah could have just as well made this point by just stating that we will be worshipping the Lord in the New Heaven and the New Earth everyday ...

 

[chessman]

I mean, Isaiah could have just as well made this point by just stating that we will be worshipping the Lord in the New Heaven and the New Earth everyday ...

Yes that's pretty much what I think it does say. But you have a good question here:

What is the need for the Word of God to even bring up New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath if we are in a New Heaven and a New Earth and under a new and better system

Not sure that I have the best answer, either. But I think:

1) God uses the language and terms that people of that time and ours can understand and appreciate. Just as we might say phrases like "Open 24/7". We could say "open all day, every day". But sometimes we choose to say "24/7".

2) I do not think, nor ever said, there's not a tremendous amount of importance (symbolism, foreshadowing, whatever) from the Sabbath message (indeed Jewish commandment). Then, now and later. Its significance will not be lost in the New Earth/Heaven. Nor is it lost or the cammandment broken by worshiping and resting on Saturday. I do not believe that we’ll have amnesia concerning the Sabbath or New Moon (now or later). I just feel this particular passage (and others) clearly indicate that those special days will not be any more “special†than any other “day†in a literal sense later. They’ll all be special, restful and worship filled days! Why would we be working on worldly things the other six days in the first place in the New Earth?

3) In fact, that's the whole point of worshiping now on the First Day, versus the 7th. It's meant to make a statement about being in a New Covenant relationship via Christ. It’s never been meant to totally ignore or forget about the Old Covenant (or even "break" that commandment). But now that Jesus is risen, we live on past Isaiah’s Messianic prophecies. Of course it’s another discussion and thread material/study as to whether He rose on Saturday or Sunday. It would just confuse this thread and be outside the scope of the OP’s topic to discuss it here. I only mention it becuase of how it relates/answers your (and my) question on Is 66.

But, If I thought the Bible recorded that He rose on Saturday, I’m sure I would worship Jesus and rest from worldly work on Saturday. But I don’t.

But relative to Isaiah’s message in the context of Is 66 (this OP), much of Isaiah’s prophecy has in fact already been fulfilled (Chapters 1-55). Chapter 66 is clearly about the New Earth/Heaven. That’s my point and the OP’s as well. We do not disagree on that point, evidently. I’m just saying,logically speaking, because it is about the New Earth then how could Is 66 teach Saturday worship is required now on this Earth? It doesn't make sense. It cannot.

I’d strike that passage off the list of any that taught Saturday worship was still called for as a "commandment". That’s my point here in this OP, via the proper reading of this text.

 

[Joe Domingo]

But, If I thought the Bible recorded that He rose on Saturday, I’m sure I
would worship Jesus and rest from worldly work on Saturday. But I don’t.

If I were you, I would really research that really well. Because he rose Saturday at sunset.

Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

 

[chessman]

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

Because he rose Saturday at sunset. Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

All the best to you as well.

I think you had a good idea in this OP to stay strictly on topic (Is 66's teaching on the Sabbath) and look to the Scripture for how that one particular message relates to 7th Day Sabbath in 2013 without tackling to broad of an issue or getting away from the Scripture's message to much. I only mentioned Jesus' rising as a potential answer to what I thought was a good question concerning Is 66, not to debate it per sa here.

From Isaiah 66's message: I would ask you what day of the week will the Sabbath be held on in the New Earth? My Answer = everyday.
What do you think?

 

[George Muller]

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

Because he rose Saturday at sunset. Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

All the best to you as well.

I think you had a good idea in this OP to stay strictly on topic (Is 66's teaching on the Sabbath) and look to the Scripture for how that one particular message relates to 7th Day Sabbath in 2013 without tackling to broad of an issue or getting away from the Scripture's message to much. I only mentioned Jesus' rising as a potential answer to what I thought was a good question concerning Is 66, not to debate it per sa here.

From Isaiah 66's message: I would ask you what day of the week will the Sabbath be held on in the New Earth? My Answer = everyday.
What do you think?

Yes its a pretty sure way of holding folks in bondage to the OLD Covenant, limit the discussion and the fulfillment in the NEW.

 

[Joe Domingo]

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

Because he rose Saturday at sunset. Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

All the best to you as well.

I think you had a good idea in this OP to stay strictly on topic (Is 66's teaching on the Sabbath) and look to the Scripture for how that one particular message relates to 7th Day Sabbath in 2013 without tackling to broad of an issue or getting away from the Scripture's message to much. I only mentioned Jesus' rising as a potential answer to what I thought was a good question concerning Is 66, not to debate it per sa here.

From Isaiah 66's message: I would ask you what day of the week will the Sabbath be held on in the New Earth? My Answer = everyday.
What do you think?

Yes its a pretty sure way of holding folks in bondage to the OLD Covenant, limit the discussion and the fulfillment in the NEW.

You never cease to confuse me.

 

[Butch5]

I've seen this verse brought up a few times in a Sabbath day discussion.

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I am definitely looking forward to the ingenuity on the workaround of that scripture.

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?

Just to be clear, I do not expect the usual suspects to cave in to this one. I just want to see how you spin around it.

Yes, I suspect we will

 

[Butch5]

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

Because he rose Saturday at sunset. Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

All the best to you as well.

I think you had a good idea in this OP to stay strictly on topic (Is 66's teaching on the Sabbath) and look to the Scripture for how that one particular message relates to 7th Day Sabbath in 2013 without tackling to broad of an issue or getting away from the Scripture's message to much. I only mentioned Jesus' rising as a potential answer to what I thought was a good question concerning Is 66, not to debate it per sa here.

From Isaiah 66's message: I would ask you what day of the week will the Sabbath be held on in the New Earth? My Answer = everyday.
What do you think?

Yes its a pretty sure way of holding folks in bondage to the OLD Covenant, limit the discussion and the fulfillment in the NEW.

Bondage?

 

[George Muller]

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free

 

[Elijah674]

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free

What is your proof of such a statement?? Heb. 11:1 & Heb. 11:13 died 'IN' the Faith. (in Christ of Rom 8:1) And you do not even follow Christ's Eternal law of Heb. 13:20.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free

What is your proof of such a statement?? Heb. 11:1 & Heb. 11:13 died 'IN' the Faith. (in Christ of Rom 8:1) And you do not even follow Christ's Eternal law of Heb. 13:20.

--Elijah

Well I just posted the scriptures? They are my proof.

 

[Butch5]

Ga 4:21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free

How does this address the Sabbath in the Kingdom of God?