Isaiah 66:23

[George Muller]

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not even a related thought.

1Co 2:6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It does not suprise me that those who look to the law are blind?

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

So your wisdom here is that your interpretation of this verse does away with the prophecy of Isaiah? Hmmm, Isaiah is in the book, George Muller is not.

Im saying that the scripture in Isaiah is fulfilled, and it really does not suprise me that some are blind to the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

 

[John 8:32]

Im saying that the scripture in Isaiah is fulfilled, and it really does not suprise me that some are blind to the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

Perhpas you could show us when this was fulfilled...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Show us when the Hindus worshipped God on the Sabbath. Perhaps you could show us when the Aborigines of Australia worshipped God on the Sabbath. Maybe you can show us when the Shintoists and Taoist did. Better yet, just show me where the American Atheists worshipped God on the Sabbath.

 

[JLB]

I've seen this verse brought up a few times in a Sabbath day discussion.

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I am definitely looking forward to the ingenuity on the workaround of that scripture.

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?

Just to be clear, I do not expect the usual suspects to cave in to this one. I just want to see how you spin around it.

The context is about the Sabbath being a day of the week and there will be worship continually.

The worship will be from one sabbath continually to the next Sabbath, nonstop.

The question is, Do you know why ?

It will be the 7th Day.

It will be 1000 years of Sabbath.

It will be continual unbroken worship and adoration from one Saturday till the next Saturday, Nonstop.

A continual rest nonstop, with our glorified eternal bodies.


JLB

 

[George Muller]

Im saying that the scripture in Isaiah is fulfilled, and it really does not suprise me that some are blind to the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

Perhpas you could show us when this was fulfilled...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Show us when the Hindus worshipped God on the Sabbath. Perhaps you could show us when the Aborigines of Australia worshipped God on the Sabbath. Maybe you can show us when the Shintoists and Taoist did. Better yet, just show me where the American Atheists worshipped God on the Sabbath.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Deborah13]

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I think this is rather like what it means to enter into His rest......

Psalm 23:2-3

King James Version (KJV)

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul:

Peace, trust, tranquility, restoration.

Trusting in His works not ours allows to have these blessings.

 

[John 8:32]

Im saying that the scripture in Isaiah is fulfilled, and it really does not suprise me that some are blind to the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

Perhpas you could show us when this was fulfilled...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Show us when the Hindus worshipped God on the Sabbath. Perhaps you could show us when the Aborigines of Australia worshipped God on the Sabbath. Maybe you can show us when the Shintoists and Taoist did. Better yet, just show me where the American Atheists worshipped God on the Sabbath.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Which day is being spoken of? The seventh day.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This is not the greatest of translations in the KJV, the Diaglott has it...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

The word rest here is not katapausis or katapauo it is sabbatismos and means the Sabbath day not the Millenial rest that the Sabbath pictures.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day. so just as God rested on the seventh day, He requires us to rest on the seventh day if we intend on entering the katapausis rest of the Millenium. The Sabbath day is the shadow of the Millenium.

 

[farouk]

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I think this is rather like what it means to enter into His rest......

Psalm 23:2-3

King James Version (KJV)

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul:

Peace, trust, tranquility, restoration.

Trusting in His works not ours allows to have these blessings.

Deborah13:

This is a great Psalm! No wonder it's been read and re-read so much and appreciated down the years.
[MENTION=91139]Blessing[/MENTION]s.

PS:: Kind of ties in closely with John 10, doesn't it? about the Good Shepherd giving His life for His sheep.

 

[Deborah13]

about the Good Shepherd giving His life for His sheep.

I just posted in another thread that very thing. "His rod and His staff they comfort me." The Good Shepard's staff.

 

[farouk]

about the Good Shepherd giving His life for His sheep.

I just posted in another thread that very thing. "His rod and His staff they comfort me." The Good Shepard's staff.

Deborah13:

Amen!

 

[George Muller]

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Which day is being spoken of? The seventh day.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest?

Maybe you missed it?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Ro 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Ro 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Ro 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[John 8:32]

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Which day is being spoken of? The seventh day.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest?

Maybe you missed it?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Ro 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Ro 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Ro 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

No I didn't miss it, maybe you did. The Sabbath is a shadow of the coming Millenium. I also did not miss the fact that you studiously ignore verse 9.

 

[George Muller]

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Which day is being spoken of? The seventh day.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest?

Maybe you missed it?

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ro 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Ro 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Ro 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Ro 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

No I didn't miss it, maybe you did. The Sabbath is a shadow of the coming Millenium. I also did not miss the fact that you studiously ignore verse 9.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Looks like some will and some will not, because they do not believe the gospel.


Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest,

 

[Elijah674]

Im saying that the scripture in Isaiah is fulfilled, and it really does not suprise me that some are blind to the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

Perhpas you could show us when this was fulfilled...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Show us when the Hindus worshipped God on the Sabbath. Perhaps you could show us when the Aborigines of Australia worshipped God on the Sabbath. Maybe you can show us when the Shintoists and Taoist did. Better yet, just show me where the American Atheists worshipped God on the Sabbath.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Which day is being spoken of? The seventh day.

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This is not the greatest of translations in the KJV, the Diaglott has it...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

The word rest here is not katapausis or katapauo it is sabbatismos and means the Sabbath day not the Millenial rest that the Sabbath pictures.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day. so just as God rested on the seventh day, He requires us to rest on the seventh day if we intend on entering the katapausis rest of the Millenium. The Sabbath day is the shadow of the Millenium.

Hey young'in, extra Truthful! (but see Matt. 23:1-3??)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Mt 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[John 8:32]

Mt 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So, everyone here agrees that the Law cannot save you so therefore it ceases to exist?

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Yes, I am in full agreement, I have probably posted the following as often if not more often than anyone here...

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

The difference is I don't stop reading at verse 28, I read the rest of the chapter...

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

God will justify the Jews (circumcision) and the gentiles (uncircumcision) by faith. ( Eph 2:8) But as I said, I don't stop there, I continue reading what Paul wrote...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So, do what you want with this verse, as for me and my house...

 

[George Muller]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

This is what Paul means when he said we establish the law. For its purpose to make all men guilty and to reject any attempts to justifiy themselves by any other method other than faith.

Ga 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Elijah674]

I've seen this verse brought up a few times in a Sabbath day discussion.

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I am definitely looking forward to the ingenuity on the workaround of that scripture.

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?

Just to be clear, I do not expect the usual suspects to cave in to this one. I just want to see how you spin around it.

This is as clear as ABC! How about the other six days before the 7Th. Day Sabbath for worshiping the Lord. I even had one gal tell me that the New Heavens had no sun! (based on Rev. 21:23 New Jerusalem)

But, it tells us about that as well as we will have none/city homes ...

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy [[the work of their hands.]]
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.:naughty

 

[Elijah674]

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.:naughty

So now we see the Words of Paul again telling us that SERVING & LOVING CHRIST is saying that we are not 'NOW' under the law?? :naughty shame on Georg!
He needs to read & apply 2 Cor. 4:2, huh.
[2] But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

NO Condemnation to those who are 'IN CHRIST JESUS' Paul says elsewhere! Rom. 8:1. And someone wants us to believe that there are TWO in Heaven, those following Christ & Georges ones??? Whatever?

What more can God say??? Isa. 5
[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it?

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.:naughty

So, by not under the Law, are you saying there is no obligation to obey? That sin is NOT the transgression of the Law? That choosing your own right and wrong is perfectly acceptable?