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Isaiah 66:23

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Well, in reality, Heb 4:9 is looking forward to the time of Isa 66:23...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Not just those called today...

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

But in the time of Isa 66, ALL FLESH will come before God on the saventh day, the day He set apart (sanctified) and made holy (hallowed) to worship Him. They will also keep the Feast Days...
[...]
What you have to do address the prophecy in Revelation that shows us the OT prophesies are to be understood as figurative.

"1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..." (Revelation 21:1-2 NASB)

22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed..." (Revelation 21:22-25 NASB)


No temple, no demarcation of day to night, only day. How do keep a Mosaic system of worship without a temple or the marking off of time according to a sun and a moon (day and night)? It's obviously a figurative prophecy. This is clear from the rest of John's prophecy.
 
Well, in reality, Heb 4:9 is looking forward to the time of Isa 66:23...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Not just those called today...

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

But in the time of Isa 66, ALL FLESH will come before God on the saventh day, the day He set apart (sanctified) and made holy (hallowed) to worship Him. They will also keep the Feast Days...
[...]
What you have to do address the prophecy in Revelation that shows us the OT prophesies are to be understood as figurative.

"1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..." (Revelation 21:1-2 NASB)

22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed..." (Revelation 21:22-25 NASB)


No temple, no demarcation of day to night, only day. How do keep a Mosaic system of worship without a temple or the marking off of time according to a sun and a moon (day and night)? It's obviously a figurative prophecy. This is clear from the rest of John's prophecy.

I think we see this timeframe differently Jethro. Much of Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled during the Millenium, which occurs prior to the New Heavens and New Earth of Rev 22. Rev 21 gives a general outline of the the time frame from the return of Christ to the Father coming down to earth in Rev 22.

A quick summary of this process is revealed in...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The return of Christ is the first resurrection.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Christ and the saints reign on the earth for 1000 years (Rev 20:4-6 and Rev 5:10)

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Rev 20:14-15

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Now is Rev 21 and beyond.

Anyhoo, how I see it.
 
Well, in reality, Heb 4:9 is looking forward to the time of Isa 66:23...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Not just those called today...

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

But in the time of Isa 66, ALL FLESH will come before God on the saventh day, the day He set apart (sanctified) and made holy (hallowed) to worship Him. They will also keep the Feast Days...
[...]
What you have to do address the prophecy in Revelation that shows us the OT prophesies are to be understood as figurative.

"1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..." (Revelation 21:1-2 NASB)

22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed..." (Revelation 21:22-25 NASB)


No temple, no demarcation of day to night, only day. How do keep a Mosaic system of worship without a temple or the marking off of time according to a sun and a moon (day and night)? It's obviously a figurative prophecy. This is clear from the rest of John's prophecy.

I think we see this timeframe differently Jethro. Much of Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled during the Millenium, which occurs prior to the New Heavens and New Earth of Rev 22. Rev 21 gives a general outline of the the time frame from the return of Christ to the Father coming down to earth in Rev 22.

A quick summary of this process is revealed in...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

The return of Christ is the first resurrection.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Christ and the saints reign on the earth for 1000 years (Rev 20:4-6 and Rev 5:10)

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Rev 20:14-15

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Now is Rev 21 and beyond.

Anyhoo, how I see it.

But the OP is solely about the new heavens and earth in the eternal state after the Millenium:

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

[...]

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?
I shared the prophecy from Revelation that shows us the Isaiah 66 prophecy is to be taken figuratively, not literally. So my answer to Joe's question is, "no, I do not expect to be keeping a literal Mosaic Sabbath, or Festival, in the new heavens and the new earth". There is no temple, nor is there the demarcation of day and night, only day, to keep a Mosaic schedule by.
 
Jethro my friend, I do not see it as in the New Heavens and New Earth but rather in the Millenium and here is the reason...

First the ground rules...

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

All truth on any subject is not found in one place. Often, there is one line on a subject and the next line is on a different subject. Without fear of successful contradiction I can say that quite often the truth on any particular subject is dispersed among two or more writers in two or more books, so that being said...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

These two verses actually describe two time frames...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

The time of the New Heavens and New Earth also includes a time with no more death, so let's go back a chapter...

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At that time, this has all been accomplished. All have been rewarded, whether with life or death. Anyhoo, at this time there is no more human existence, all are spirit beings.

Now back to Isaiah...

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

This plainly says flesh, humans. So this must be prior to the New Heavens and New Earth. It is not occurring now but will in the Millenium after the return of Christ...

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The Feast of Tabernacles begins and ends with a Sabbath; a holy convocation...

Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

It is a Feast of the Lord just as the Sabbath, mentioned in verse 3. The Feasts of the Lord will be observed by all flesh during the Millenium. There will be no flesh in the New Heavens and New Earth.
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

These two verses actually describe two time frames...
I wonder what Joe would say about that.
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

These two verses actually describe two time frames...
I wonder what Joe would say about that.

What John says is plausible, however a couple of observations if I may ...

Revelation 21
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

If there is no Sun or moon light - then why bother mentioning it as if they still existed? As for the gates not being shut by day - why mention the day if there is no night? Why mention the night if there is no night?

Also, another observation that I have made is that this context is speaking only of the Holy City and not the entire Earth. It is clear that there will be no need for the Sun or Moon in the City because Jesus is the Light. But no mention is made about the rest of the Earth and its light source.

Another observation that I've made is that there is a New Heaven besides the New Earth. It understood that the Earth will not be destroyed but only what exist in our present system, which is reserved for the fire.

If the Earth is not destroyed ... why would the Sun and the Moon be destroyed - which are a part of Heaven.

Therefore I believe that the Earth will continue to have a Sun by day and a Moon by night. But Holy City - New Jerusalem, will have no need of it. It is worth noting that the dimensions giving for the City describe a cube that covers the entire present day Middle East.
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 
I've seen this verse brought up a few times in a Sabbath day discussion.

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the Lord.

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I am definitely looking forward to the ingenuity on the workaround of that scripture.

So, will you be keeping the Sabbath when you inherit the New Earth?

Just to be clear, I do not expect the usual suspects to cave in to this one. I just want to see how you spin around it.


Yes, I suspect we will

These Will be there in Isa. 65! New Earth...

[9] And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
[10] And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
[11] But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
[12] Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
(Matt. 25's SEPERATION!)

[13] Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
[14] Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
[15] And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

[16] That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Include this in the question & we find what all will do on the Lords Day:thumbsup!

And by the way, our heavenly home will have the LIGHT of the City for light there! (our Lord's RIGHTOUSNESS!)

--Elijah
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not even a related thought.
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not even a related thought.
1Co 2:6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It does not suprise me that those who look to the law are blind?

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ
 
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Not even a related thought.
1Co 2:6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It does not suprise me that those who look to the law are blind?

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ

So your wisdom here is that your interpretation of this verse does away with the prophecy of Isaiah? Hmmm, Isaiah is in the book, George Muller is not.
 
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Ok I know what's going on here - it only took about two weeks but finally my brother George has made himself clear as the Blue Sky and I do appreciate it.

Here is what George thinks of us ...

It does not suprise me that those who look to the law are blind?

That is crystal clear to me and it explains a whole lot. It explains why you answer the way you do.

At this point, I'm not sure what can be done here. I think we have arrived at an impasse. Clearly George is trying to convert us or free us. Clearly we are blinded and "under the law". Well, let's see what George has to say about this ...
 
Ok I know what's going on here - it only took about two weeks but finally my brother George has made himself clear as the Blue Sky and I do appreciate it.

Here is what George thinks of us ...

It does not suprise me that those who look to the law are blind?

That is crystal clear to me and it explains a whole lot. It explains why you answer the way you do.

At this point, I'm not sure what can be done here. I think we have arrived at an impasse. Clearly George is trying to convert us or free us. Clearly we are blinded and "under the law". Well, let's see what George has to say about this ...

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

The view is that anyone who looks to the Law is blinded. The truth is that Christ removed that vail to show that He is the fulfillment of that Law. He is the end of the Law...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The problem is the misunderstanding of the word end. Some read it to mean the finish, the stopping of, the ceasing of. The word is not used in that sense in this verse. Here is how it is supposed to be read...

G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

The word end here is translated from telos. We get words like telescope from this word. The sense of it is the point of aim, the goal, the outcome, the end result. Christ kept the Law perfectly with the spiritual intent that is required in the New Covenant...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The word for Law in verse 33 is Torah...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

In verse 33 God says He will put His Torah in our hearts and minds by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit so that we can live by the Laws of God as Christ expounded in Mat 5, 6 and 7 and the New Testament. What was the problem with the Old Covenant? The Law? No...

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

The fault was the people just as Paul says elsewhere...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Now referring back to Heb 3:10, this is why God writes His Law in our hearts and minds, so that we do not continue to err in our heart and the we can know His ways.
 
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)
The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.
This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

I can appreciate this argument but ...

What is the need for the Word of God to even bring up New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath if we are in a New Heaven and a New Earth and under a new and better system - the realization of the Shadow of better things to come.

I must admit, I do not understand the Lord's reasoning here. If I were bold enough I would say Lord let's move on, the Sabbath is behind us why include it in the New Earth?

I mean, Isaiah could have just as well made this point by just stating that we will be worshipping the Lord in the New Heaven and the New Earth everyday ...

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man so it would make sense that it was in the "restored" heaven and earth.
 
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)
The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.
This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

I can appreciate this argument but ...

What is the need for the Word of God to even bring up New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath if we are in a New Heaven and a New Earth and under a new and better system - the realization of the Shadow of better things to come.

I must admit, I do not understand the Lord's reasoning here. If I were bold enough I would say Lord let's move on, the Sabbath is behind us why include it in the New Earth?

I mean, Isaiah could have just as well made this point by just stating that we will be worshipping the Lord in the New Heaven and the New Earth everyday ...

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man so it would make sense that it was in the "restored" heaven and earth.

Noted and agreed.

If I may indulge,

God set the pattern himself ... he worked six days and then he ceased from his works, hence the Hebrew word Shabbat (to cease to rest)

How is an everlasting day to day or one day or eternal day Sabbath apply in the Kingdom? What would we cease from doing if we are in a permanent state of rest? Doesn't add up in my mind. Not only that but it sort of implicates that we will be in our lazyboy chairs dong nothing for all eternity.

Now before that argument comes in - we will cease from pain, suffering, and all the anxieties of this world and sin, well before we go there, let me head it off. God did not cease from these things - he ceased from Good works, hence and he saw that it was good. So I do not relate the Sabbath to ceasing from such things, I see the Sabbath as a ceasing from good works. "six days will you labor and do all your work". That does not sound like pain and disease, famine and death and stuff like that - that just sounds like what we do - we work.

So what do we need a permanent Sabbath for? As some have suggested.
 
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.(Isaiah 66:23 ESV)
The emphasize is on the worshipping of God on the Sabbath and not on the span of a week.
This Scripture clearly is a prophecy describing a constant worship environment in the New Earth. Continuous, all month long, and all week long. It in no way teaches that at this present time (2013) Saturday worship is any better or any more commanded than Sunday worship. Because: 1) it’s not even talking about commands for now (2013). It’s the prophecy of the New Earth. And 2) it teaches a constant worship mentality, not a one day per week or one day a month worship mentality.
The emphasis is clearly that worship spans the whole week, indeed the whole month. It seems completely 180 degrees from what the text actually says to think this texts single’s out the Sabbath day for worship. It’s one thing to misunderstand a more difficult/complex passage. But this particular verse is as clear as a bell relative to the significance of the Sabbath in the New Earth. The Sabbath significance in the New Earth is looking back upon it.
I’d argue that the significance of the Sabbath, even now in the New Covenant, is also in looking back upon it. But that would be another topic as you have limited this one thread to Is 66:23 only.

I can appreciate this argument but ...

What is the need for the Word of God to even bring up New Moon to New Moon and Sabbath to Sabbath if we are in a New Heaven and a New Earth and under a new and better system - the realization of the Shadow of better things to come.

I must admit, I do not understand the Lord's reasoning here. If I were bold enough I would say Lord let's move on, the Sabbath is behind us why include it in the New Earth?

I mean, Isaiah could have just as well made this point by just stating that we will be worshipping the Lord in the New Heaven and the New Earth everyday ...

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man so it would make sense that it was in the "restored" heaven and earth.

Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Moses was to make everything that went into the Tabernacle as an exact replica following what pattern? The pattern shown him on the mount. A pattern of what?

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Now what was the Ark a pattern of?

Exo 25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Notice a couple of things...

The Mercy Seat was a pattern of the throne of God in Heaven.

What is God's throne sitting over top of?

Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.

And what was the testimony?

Exo 25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.

Exo 32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

What were these?

1Ki 8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

The Ten Commandments.

Now what do you suppose the Ark in Heaven has in it? The Ten Commandments.
What do you suppose it symbolizes? God sits on a throne established on His Law; the Ten Commandments.

Now everyone join in, what is number four?
 
The Mercy Seat was a pattern of the throne of God in Heaven.
When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?†And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—it was very large. (Mark 16:1-4 ESV)

But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she stooped to look into the tomb. And she saw two angels in white, sitting where the body of Jesus had lain, one at the head and one at the feet. (John 20:11-12 ESV)
Look guys, I love to study OT prophecy and appreciate the complexity and foreshadowing within these prophecies as much as the next guy. And I’m no expert, I admit. But when a prophecy has been fulfilled, it’s been fulfilled. I move on.

Why would you want to make the Mercy Seat fulfillment live on? It’s been fulfilled.
 
The Mercy Seat was a pattern of the throne of God in Heaven.
When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?†And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back—it was very large. (Mark 16:1-4 ESV)

But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb, and as she wept she stooped to look into the tomb. And she saw two angels in white, sitting where the body of Jesus had lain, one at the head and one at the feet. (John 20:11-12 ESV)
Look guys, I love to study OT prophecy and appreciate the complexity and foreshadowing within these prophecies as much as the next guy. And I’m no expert, I admit. But when a prophecy has been fulfilled, it’s been fulfilled. I move on.

Why would you want to make the Mercy Seat fulfillment live on? It’s been fulfilled.

Ok I admit I am confused here ...

I do not see the correlation between these scriptures and the Mercy Seat ...
 
I do not see the correlation between these scriptures and the Mercy Seat ...
The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
(Exodus 25:20 ESV)


I've always understood the reason that the Holy Spirit inspired John to record the fact that there was an Angel at the Head of where Jesus WAS laid (yet risen) and another at His feet, to be a quite obvious fulfillment of the Mercy Seat type/shadow from the OT. That's my point.

Else, why include this John 20:11-12 passage in the Bible?

I mean what’s the importance of Two angels and one at the foot and one at the head, if not to point a believer to the Mercy Seat?
 
I do not see the correlation between these scriptures and the Mercy Seat ...
The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
(Exodus 25:20 ESV)

I've always understood the reason that the Holy Spirit inspired John to record the fact that there was an Angel at the Head of where Jesus WAS laid (yet risen) and another at His feet, to be a quite obvious fulfillment of the Mercy Seat type/shadow from the OT. That's my point.

Else, why include this John 20:11-12 passage in the Bible?

I mean what’s the importance of Two angels and one at the foot and one at the head, if not to point a believer to the Mercy Seat?

Still don't see why this means that the Ark in heaven does not represent the Mercy Seat, the very throne of God where mercy flows from. Perhpas you could explain a little further.
 
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