Isaiah 66:23

[Deborah13]

Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Yes, Hebrews 10 is talking about sacrifices as I have pointed out in several threads.

Why do you separate the 10 from the other Torah laws?

Were just the 10 given for a schoolmaster or all Torah?

The ten were not the schoolmaster, the sacrifices were the schoolmaster that reveals Christ. They were the shadow of the coming sacrifice of Christ.

Galatians 3:19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:21
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Galatian 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Romans 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

I can agree with you that the Law of Moses with the sacrifices and purifications did give knowledge of the sacrifice of Jesus. However, there was more to it than the rituals. The laws were not all laws that required sacrifices and purifications. So we see the Laws written in the Book of the Law taught one how it live, of their obligations to others, etc. Now those laws are written on the heart.
But it was also a schoolmaster in teaching the All were sinful no matter how hard they tried not to be, it is the same with us, and could not be righteous by the works of the Law, neither in keeping them or in sacrifices, therefore there is a need for a Savior and His grace.
David understood he salvation depended only on God and His grace.

 

[Deborah13]

Where is the 'Thus Sayest The Word' in that, with a NEW HEAVEN + EARTH???

Wow, for once I agree with you, Elijah. But probably for different reasons.

I we think this is strictly speaking of "the" new heaven and new earth", then should we say that the next v24 which also begins with the conjunction "and", we will be 'in the new heaven and earth' literally,

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Maybe some do but I don't.

But I do believe that on a daily bases from Sabbath to Sabbath that many will come and do came to worship the Lord. The male Jews were obligated to come to the temple (in the presents of the Lord, behind the veil) Only three times a year. Now we are to meet with our Lord, who lives in our hearts every day.
We should not forsake the assembly, for there is strength in the assembly, "where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I also." Matt. 18:20.

 

[John 8:32]

Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Yes, Hebrews 10 is talking about sacrifices as I have pointed out in several threads.

Why do you separate the 10 from the other Torah laws?

Were just the 10 given for a schoolmaster or all Torah?

The ten were not the schoolmaster, the sacrifices were the schoolmaster that reveals Christ. They were the shadow of the coming sacrifice of Christ.

Galatians 3:19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:21
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Galatian 3:22
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Romans 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

I can agree with you that the Law of Moses with the sacrifices and purifications did give knowledge of the sacrifice of Jesus. However, there was more to it than the rituals. The laws were not all laws that required sacrifices and purifications. So we see the Laws written in the Book of the Law taught one how it live, of their obligations to others, etc. Now those laws are written on the heart.
But it was also a schoolmaster in teaching the All were sinful no matter how hard they tried not to be, it is the same with us, and could not be righteous by the works of the Law, neither in keeping them or in sacrifices, therefore there is a need for a Savior and His grace.
David understood he salvation depended only on God and His grace.

What does the law concerning not rounding the corners of your head teach about the sacrifice of Christ? It is not directly relevant to the sacrifice. It teaches us God does not want us to wear symbols of sun worshippers on our head. You are assuming that the worl Law used in Galatians means all Law. Again, look at the way it is stated, it (what? the Law beign spoken of here) was added. When was this Law added? 430 years after the Covenant with Abraham. Were the Ten Commandments added at Mt. Sinai? Paul answers this question in Romans. First of all, Paul assures us that transgressing the Law is sin...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

And the result of transgressing the Law is death...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now, let's read Rom 5:14

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Sin is only imputed when there is Law. Sin brings death. Men transgressed the Law from Adam to Moses and death reigned. Was the Law in force from Adam to Moses? Yes. What was added?

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

The Law of Sacrifices and the Priesthood Laws. (The Priests offered the sacrifices for sin.)

The Law referred to in Gal 3 was the Law of sacrifices that looked forward to (as a shadow) to the sacrifice of Christ...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Not a single one of the Ten Commandments says a word about sacrifices, does it?

Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

The sacrifices are the subject here, not the Ten Commandments or the Law of Moses.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Again, not a one of the Ten Commandments is mentioned here or even referred to.

The Law that was added was the Law of sacrifices that foreshadowed Christ's perfect sacrifice.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

It is quite evident that the scripture itself is speaking of the New Heaven and New Earth.

I'm not so sure this text is speaking about a post resurrection, post sin and death age where Jesus reigns among his people. The text may in fact be more accurately understood as a reference to a time where a unified Israel would have been living in service to the LORD after His rath was poured out against their disobedient brethren. Consider the entire context:

Then Jehovah said: 'Whom will I look on [in favor]? Just the unassuming and humble… those who tremble at My words. 3 But, a calf that is offered to Me by the lawless, [I view as] the slaps of a man. And when they sacrifice from the flock, it's as though someone has slaughtered a dog. [I view] their offerings of fine flour, as bringing the blood of a pig… and their offerings of frankincense in remembrance, as bringing blasphemy upon Me. 'They have each chosen their own ways, and what their souls choose is disgusting. 4 So, I will choose how to mock them, and I'll pay them back for their sins. For, I called out to them and they chose not to hear… I spoke and they wouldn't listen. They've acted wickedly before Me, and did the things that I didn't want.'
5 Hear the word of Jehovah, O you who still tremble when you hear His voice! Tell your brothers who hate and detest you, to glorify the Name of the Lord, and [that Name] should be looked on in gladness… and that they should be ashamed!
6 A voice now cries from the city… it's a voice [that comes] from the Temple… it is the voice of Jehovah, and it's about the retribution He'll bring: 7 'Before her labor to give birth, and before the misery of birth pangs, she fled and gave birth to a male. 8 Why, who's ever heard such a thing… who's seen anything like it… has the earth given birth in a day… has a nation given birth all at once, as Zion will labor and bear [a son]?'
9 Jehovah said: 'I told them what to expect, but they failed to remember [My words]. For, {Look!} I made the one who gives birth, as well as she who is sterile.'
And your God says: 10 'So, O JeruSalem, you should be glad… declare a celebration, all you who love her. Celebrate in joy, all those living there… yes all of you who have mourned her! 11 For, you can now nurse and be filled, with the comfort that comes from her breasts… in sucking, you too may indulge, when her glory is shown.'
12 Jehovah said: '{Look!} Toward them, I'll divert a river of peace, and with the glory of the nations they'll be covered. 13 They'll carry your children on their shoulders, and on their knees they'll find comfort, 13 just as any [good] mother gives comfort. And that's how I'll comfort you… for, JeruSalem, you will find comfort. 14 You'll see it and rejoice in your heart and your bones… you'll flourish like grass in a pasture! And they'll know that this came from the hand of the Lord… yes, by all those who fear Him. But, He will threaten all those, who would resist His persuasion.'
15 For, {Look!} Jehovah will come like a fire… as a blast from his chariot wheels in His rage, to pay back and punish in flames, all those who've turned from Him in contempt. 16 The lands will be judged by the fire of the Lord, and all flesh [will be judged] by his broadsword. Many will be slain by the Lord in that day… 17 those who went to their gardens for cleansing, and those who ate pork on their thresholds (the disgusting things and the mouse)… together they'll all be consumed,' said Jehovah.
18 'I know their works and their ways, and I've come to gather all nations and tongues. Yes, to see My glory, they'll gather, 19 and I will give them a sign.
'I'll return all those who I gave to the nations… to TarShish, Pul, Lud, and to MeShach; to Tubal, Greece, and the islands… those far away who've not heard of My Name, and those who've not seen My glory. They'll announce My glory to the nations, 20 and then, as a gift to the Lord, I'll return your brothers from the nations, along with horses and wagons, and royal chariots with awnings drawn by mules.'
And Jehovah said: 'Then the sons of IsraEl will sacrifice to Me, with songs in the [Temple] of Jehovah. 21 And from them I'll choose Levites and Priests,' said Jehovah. 22 For, just as new lands and new skies, which I'll make, are waiting before Me,' says Jehovah; 'so, I will establish your seed and your name. 23 Then, there within JeruSalem; from New Moon to New Moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh will come and bow before Me,' said Jehovah.
24 'They'll go out and see the bodies of men (those who rebelled against Me), whose worms won't come to an end, and whose fire will not be extinguished… they'll be a sight for all flesh [to see].'

 

[Deborah13]

The Law that was added in Exodus and Leviticus was the Law of Sacrifices and it had no bearing on the promises made to Abraham concerning God's faithfulness to deliver on them.

According to the Jews themselves only 1/3 or 202 of the 613, have to do with the temple, sacrifices and purifications. And they include the 10.
Yes, God wrote the ten and added no more at that time. Later through Moses as a mediator He did add.

Letting the field rest very 7 th year is NOT about sacrifices and there is no penalty attached that I can remember. It is a teaching of the Sabbath rest.

Why do you ignore the fact that Torah taught the care family, widows and orphans, strangers? Torah is not just about sacrifices and purifications, rituals.

 

[John 8:32]

The Law that was added in Exodus and Leviticus was the Law of Sacrifices and it had no bearing on the promises made to Abraham concerning God's faithfulness to deliver on them.

According to the Jews themselves only 1/3 or 202 of the 613, have to do with the temple, sacrifices and purifications. And they include the 10.
Yes, God wrote the ten and added no more at that time. Later through Moses as a mediator He did add.

Letting the field rest very 7 th year is NOT about sacrifices and there is no penalty attached that I can remember. It is a teaching of the Sabbath rest.

Why do you ignore the fact that Torah taught the care family, widows and orphans, strangers? Torah is not just about sacrifices and purifications, rituals.

I am not sure why you think that I believe the Torah is only about sacrifices. Gal 3 is only about sacrifices, but when Christ said this...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It included ALL the Law. I believe the Ten Commandments are in full force. I don't think there is a question there. Much of the Law of Moses is in full force. The Laws concerning the sacrifices and the Priesthood are now fulfilled in Christ. They cannot be carried out in the fashion of the Aaronic Priesthood, but they are still in force. When one sins, does he/she need the sin offering fulfilled by Christ? Of course. Do we have a High Priest that makes intercession for us to the Father just as Aaron and his sons did physically in the Temple? Absolutely...

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

And what is His job currently?

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

So, Yes, I believe Christ when He said not a jot or a tittle would pass. Since we have no way of knowing when the seventh year is, I have rested my garden every seventh year since baptism. It is an agricultural principle, but it is also a command of God. I am a hunter, so when I kill game, guess what I do...

Lev 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

Lev 19:9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
Lev 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

I donate to help the poor.

Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

I don't eat blood, don't visit fortune tellers, don't shave the symbol of the sun on my head (neither do I wear a beanie) and I don't have any tatoos. (If I get one, it will take six good men to do it.)

Now why do I tell you this? To exalt myself? No, to illustrate that I believe all the Law is in effect and we should practice what we are able. Any Laws associated with the Temple or the Aaronic Priesthood must be looked at differently. They are fulfilled in Christ and have a spiritual application today. Actually, all the Law has a spiritual application, but some of it is still to be done physically. As far as doing the rest of the Law...

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

This is what is expected of us, it does not justify us or make us special nor does it save us. (It does make you different though, at least my neighbors think I am different. I don't know what they mean by that.)

 

[Deborah13]

This is what is expected of us, it does not justify us or make us special nor does it save us. (It does make you different though, at least my neighbors think I am different. I don't know what they mean by that.)

LOL It means you are weird, strange, different, set apart.

 

[George Muller]

Yes, through God's Spirit we are able to obey the Law.

Again you seem to fail to see the difference between the letter and the Spirit?
Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The law is spiritual and it cannot be fulfilled by the written code, but is fulfilled by the Spirit of God in love.

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

How about explaining this spiritual law to me? What is it? What is it composed of? Can you enumerate it for me?

1Co 3:1 ¶ And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

If I see a true desire to understand the gospel, I will then teach these spiritual things.

 

[Elijah674]

I would like for this thread to focus solely on Isaiah 66:23.

Because he rose Saturday at sunset. Apply Jesus rule - three days and three night. See where in the week this amount of time can fit. Note that you must begin the count of that amount of time at his burial. All the best.

All the best to you as well.

I think you had a good idea in this OP to stay strictly on topic (Is 66's teaching on the Sabbath) and look to the Scripture for how that one particular message relates to 7th Day Sabbath in 2013 without tackling to broad of an issue or getting away from the Scripture's message to much. I only mentioned Jesus' rising as a potential answer to what I thought was a good question concerning Is 66, not to debate it per sa here.

From Isaiah 66's message: I would ask you what day of the week will the Sabbath be held on in the New Earth? My Answer = everyday.
What do you think?

If that was the case, what about Isa. 65 with the SAME 7th, Day Sabbath being every day a Sabbath? Try verses 21-25. Isa. 65:21-25

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[18] But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
(a working Sabbath???)

[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

(Wow! LABOUR... some Sabbath day huh?)

OK: Now find what the saints will be doing on the Master's day of worship? Isa. 66:22-23!
Again Isa. 66:22-23
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

 

[Deborah13]

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam broke the one law that God had given him. Sin and death entered. Why was the Law of Moses given, "to make sin exceedingly sinful". The written law whether it be on tablets of stone or the Book of the Law, it put sin in the face of the people and no one could deny they didn't know and no one could do it perfectly, thus a school master to teach all need a Savior.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So the 'whole law' is fulfilled in "loving others". Certainly THIS time 'whole law' we are not talking about sacrifices and purifications?

 

[John 8:32]

This is what is expected of us, it does not justify us or make us special nor does it save us. (It does make you different though, at least my neighbors think I am different. I don't know what they mean by that.)

LOL It means you are weird, strange, different, set apart.

Thank you...

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

 

[John 8:32]

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam broke the one law that God had given him. Sin and death entered. Why was the Law of Moses given, "to make sin exceedingly sinful". The written law whether it be on tablets of stone or the Book of the Law, it put sin in the face of the people and no one could deny they didn't know and no one could do it perfectly, thus a school master to teach all need a Savior.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.â€

So the 'whole law' is fulfilled in "loving others". Certainly THIS time 'whole law' we are not talking about sacrifices and purifications?

So you believe that Jesus Himself taught that loving your neighbor is all the law? Loving God is nowhere to be found in that verse.

 

[John 8:32]

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam broke the one law that God had given him. Sin and death entered. Why was the Law of Moses given, "to make sin exceedingly sinful". The written law whether it be on tablets of stone or the Book of the Law, it put sin in the face of the people and no one could deny they didn't know and no one could do it perfectly, thus a school master to teach all need a Savior.

So, Adam broke the one law? At that time, lying, murder, theft, blasphemy, lust were all OK? The Ten Commandments did not exist at this time? Actually, a cursory reading of Ex 20:8-11 plainly shows the Sabbath was in effect...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God blessed and hallowed the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation week. One day after creating Adam and prior to his sin.

Now with that said, please tell me what is wrong with the Law? Explain to me why it is bad and should be done away with. I eagerly await this explanation.

 

[Deborah13]

So you believe that Jesus Himself taught that loving your neighbor is all the law? Loving God is nowhere to be found in that verse.

Oh of coarse not. I was just repeating that particular verse. But there is this..."Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

 

[smaller]

Now with that said, please tell me what is wrong with the Law? Explain to me why it is bad and should be done away with. I eagerly await this explanation.

There is nothing wrong with the Law.

Following same with some imaginary pseudo Perfection is a deception and a fallacy.

s

 

[Deborah13]

So, Adam broke the one law? At that time, lying, murder, theft, blasphemy, lust were all OK? The Ten Commandments did not exist at this time?

Adam broke the one law God had given Him. Afterwards he had knowledge of good and evil. What is good, "Love the Lord thy God and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus, gave these two which fulfill the law.

Now with that said, please tell me what is wrong with the Law? Explain to me why it is bad and should be done away with. I eagerly await this explanation.

There is nothing wrong with the Law, the Law is good and holy. It was the covenant of the OT, in that people would begin obeying and then it became a ritual and they would forget the intent of the Laws that had been given. They would either fall away or become self righteous their doings. At least this is what I see happened in the OT over and over again.
The NT or covenant has replaced the old as a better way, in that it clearly states that we are saved by grace and not by our doings. It leaves no justification for falling away or self righteousness. If we fall away we are not receiving the available grace of God, if we are self righteous we are forgetting that it is by grace we are saved through the cross.
The new covenant is All about what Jesus accomplished at the cross, it not about us and what we do, just what He did.
It is always about the intent of our hearts. Here's an easy example that we all can understand. Tithing....if one tithes only to receive back isn't that coveting? I give so now God is indebted to me. Yike!! and yet I've known people who think that way because of the OT promises but they miss the intent of giving. Paul, makes it plan in the NT. Give from the intent of your heart and the Lord gives pressed down and running over.
Exo 20:11 - God blessed the Sabbath day and made it Holy for what He had done not anything that man did. Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath (rest) is to rest in Him and what He did not what we do. It was made for us to rest and to take the time to fellowship (do not forsake the assembly) and to worship God without anything else interfering from our everyday lives. This is for us. He doesn't need the Sabbath but we do. God is quite confident in who He is, it is us that need the time spent with Him to remember who we are in Him.

 

[Deborah13]

The Sabbath (rest) is to rest in Him and what He did not what we do. It was made for us to rest and to take the time to fellowship (do not forsake the assembly)

"Where two or three are gathered there am I also." He is with us when we are alone or with others. The Sabbath rest, resting in Him, does not have to be a particular day or time or with a certain group. IMO
If one is strong in knowledge and faith I do believe they should not keep it locked away, hidden, from others. In other words buried or under a basket. The Lord has given that faith to share with others to help them and strengthen them. I find a lot of that going on in this forum.

 

[John 8:32]

Now with that said, please tell me what is wrong with the Law? Explain to me why it is bad and should be done away with. I eagerly await this explanation.

There is nothing wrong with the Law.

Following same with some imaginary pseudo Perfection is a deception and a fallacy.

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I have never said that keeping the Law justifies or saves anyone, that does not mean it is not required of us...

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

The Law is our duty, but it cannot justify us or give us eternal life...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works saves no one, but...

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are created for good works. What are good works? What was it that God ordained before? The Law.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Originally Posted by John 8:32

Now with that said, please tell me what is wrong with the Law? Explain to me why it is bad and should be done away with. I eagerly await this explanation.

There is nothing wrong with the Law, the Law is good and holy. It was the covenant of the OT

I think we must try to accurately define exactly what we mean when we refer to the law in order to help us further the discussion. When I use it, it is a reference to the rules and behaviorial guidelines as well as the ceremonies and holy days the people in covenant with God were required to keep as part of their covenant relationship which began at Sinai.

Murder, theft, and bearing false witness was considered as wrong before the law for the people of that time. The 7th Sabbath of God was said to be introduced in the creation week well before the law, but no one was instructed to keep it holy until the covenential law was put into effect at Sinai. Who was this covenent between and is this covenent is one that is still in effect? Me thinks the answers are between physical Israel and God and no, it's no longer in effect.

 

[Deborah13]

I think we must try to accurately define exactly what we mean when we refer to the law in order to help us further the discussion. When I use it, it is a reference to the rules and behaviorial guidelines as well as the ceremonies and holy days the people in covenant with God were required to keep as part of their covenant relationship which began at Sinai.

I agree with this when saying the Law as given in that Mosaic Covenant.

Murder, theft, and bearing false witness was considered as wrong before the law for the people of that time.

Also agree, in the knowledge of good and evil.