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It shall not be so among you.

reba said:
@Withheld if you have a ministry and talk down to and about the folks the way you do those here I would have no part of it. The way I read some of these post you are exactly everything your fighting against .
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Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that. He also seems to be so busy telling everyone else that everything they are doing is so sinful that he says very little if anything about what the meetings he attends are like and what they actually do. You know, just because the Bible doesn't specifically say you must do a certain thing doesn't always mean it's wrong to do it!
 
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Go to church?

People have been saying it for years. 'Where do you go to church?' 'I go to church every Sunday'. 'You need to go to church'. 'Our church is on 15th and Dodge, a beatiful brick building.. With a high steeple'.
Where in scripture can we find these terms among the first century believers?
 
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Hebrews 10:24-25 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.


Acts 2:42
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

1 John 1:3
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

There are many verses in the bible that speak of fellowship with others. When we say "go to church", we should be saying for fellowship. However, some might be seeing church as a source of salvation. It's not. It's a place to fellowship, teach, learn, and worship God.
 
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I'll be driving my car to church this morning. Where in scripture does it say I should drive a car to church? Afterall, Jesus walked everywhere he went, didn't he? Shame on me for going to church in an "unscriptural" way, right? I'll just stay home and watch TV instead. Will that be better? Just because something isn't specifically commanded in scripture doesn't mean we can't do it as long as we're not told it (or the concept behind it) is sinful. In most of your posts you are only focusing on tearing down everyone else's church instead of focusing on building up the body of Christ. Try being an encouragement and try building up the body instead.
 
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ok they went to the synod or rather the synagogue. which is from the greek word synod and church. woops. or the temple. oh wait those were the jews. withheld you seem to hate the church. do as Obadiah has suggested. I can also hate on the church too but I would rather focus on making it work and edification. often when we point fingers we have more pointing back.
 
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The word church was used by Wycliffe, later Tyndale correctly used congregation. Ekklisia does not denote a physical building but it is the body of Christ. Only 2 places in Acts is the word church used correctly and it was speaking of pagan temples.
That one guy in the 4th century declared all of Rome Christian. He turned the pagan temples into churches. Mithra was the same as baal. He continued to worship this false god but relabeled everything 'Christian'. Up to then the true Christians met from home to home, or wherever was safe to fellowship. No church buildings until this pagan leader arrived.
 
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we know that, the word ekklesia is also used when the temple is mentioned in the greek(temple being synagogue). so we should do things the "jewish" way.
 
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And bad stuff is all over the internet so we shouldn't be here? People use homes for all kinds of trash...People use fellowship for ugliness.

My point is church is a word just a word. some folks get real church some folks don't...
 
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Jason you ms-judge me. I love the ekklesia, His people, I hate the traditions of men that holds His body down.ll my posts prove this. Read them again. Did Paul hate the folks when he tried to correct them. No I'm not Paul. Just a concerned believer with frailties like anyone. Love you guys. If I were present, you'd know that.
 
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Withheld said:
The word church was used by Wycliffe, later Tyndale correctly used congregation. Ekklisia does not denote a physical building but it is the body of Christ. Only 2 places in Acts is the word church used correctly and it was speaking of pagan temples.
That one guy in the 4th century declared all of Rome Christian. He turned the pagan temples into churches. Mithra was the same as baal. He continued to worship this false god but relabeled everything 'Christian'. Up to then the true Christians met from home to home, or wherever was safe to fellowship. No church buildings until this pagan leader arrived.
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Perhaps you are not familiar with the use of the English language, at least not in the part of the country I live in. Here the word church, like many English words, has several meanings. While one meaning refers to a building, it can also refer to a body of believers, to an event (as in church service), or to an organization among other things. When people are obviously talking about where they are going on a Sunday morning and they say "to church" it clearly is referring to going to a place where Christians gather to worship God. There is nothing unscriptural about this, and I can't believe this needs to be explained to you. But from the number of posts you make demonstrating you clearly can't understand this, I guess this was needed. So if you are a Christian, stop condemning people for gathering together to worship God!
 
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you don't come across as loving. you assume much. you have this haughtiness. we aren't saying that we go to a building. that my friend is where you are WRONG.we go to a church that meets in a building.do I agree with everything image I see in church? no. Im not big into Christmas but oh well. but well if saying the pledge to the bible and the Christian flag and the pledge of allegiance assists them boys. in becoming bible believers then so be it. sir I have had church in Afghanistan, at ft. stewart, ft. dix, ft, bliss, camp blanding, avon park bombing range.the ft.pierce armory,ft.knox,ft, jackson,and at mma. so please lets not think that we here don't know what a body is.

besides they met in mud homes. they didn't have cbs then.
 
reba said:
@Withheld if you have a ministry and talk down to and about the folks the way you do those here I would have no part of it. The way I read some of these post you are exactly everything your fighting against .
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Yes, I have to say this is exactly the kind of 'freedom' that people don't want in a meeting of the saints, and no form of Biblical encouragement will get them involved in it.

People know this can't happen in the traditional form of meeting/worship we have now and like the safety of that.
 
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reba said:
@Withheld if you have a ministry and talk down to and about the folks the way you do those here I would have no part of it. The way I read some of these post you are exactly everything your fighting against .
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Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that. He also seems to be so busy telling everyone else that everything they are doing is so sinful that he says very little if anything about what the meetings he attends are like and what they actually do. You know, just because the Bible doesn't specifically say you must do a certain thing doesn't always mean it's wrong to do it!
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(Here I go, taking the middle ground where you get slapped from both sides, lol...)

Actually, the Bible--the NIV at least--says 'all these must be done', or something like that, if I'm not mistaken.

There's a good middle ground in all this.

I forget...are you a pastor? If so, what all this means is opening up your regular worship meeting and making it a Bible teaching/ discussion based meeting with praise and worship following, and prayer wherever that seems appropriate. All in the careful control and guidance of mature, respected elders (remember, think 'Father/children'). And done in your present church building, assuming that is not someone's home. In which case I personally think a rented hall should be considered.
 
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jasoncran said:
...haughtiness.
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Exactly what I was thinking. The pride of knowledge. Perhaps we should take this matter before the 'church' (Matthew 18:17 NASB).


Paul said we don't know anything until we love--love being defined by him as 'doing no harm'. And that we are nothing without love, even though we can fathom all mysteries (or spell fathom, lol).

If we want to talk about traditions and how wrong they are, a biggee is thinking that the Christian faith is all about doctrines, and how we take such great comfort in the status of our relationship with God by having the right doctrines. Taking comfort in what we know, instead of who we are, as it should be.
 
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Jethro Bodine said:
jasoncran said:
...haughtiness.
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Exactly what I was thinking. The pride of knowledge. Perhaps we should take this matter before the 'church' (Matthew 18:17 NASB).


Paul said we don't know anything until we love--love being defined by him as 'doing no harm'. And that we are nothing without love, even though we can fathom all mysteries (or spell fathom, lol).

If we want to talk about traditions and how wrong they are, a biggee is thinking that the Christian faith is all about doctrines, and how we take such great comfort in the status of our relationship with God by having the right doctrines. Taking comfort in what we know, instead of who we are, as it should be.
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another poster and now admin has made this same astute observation
 
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Obadiah, I have condemned no one. As far as understanding,what r u talking about? Thanks, please correct me. By His word, not by popular beliefs....I believe you agree.
Jason instead of looking at the word to see if these things be so, you accuse me of pride. I spent many years putting my self down lower than dirt. God said 'stop that'. Instead of an honest assessment of our traditions placed side by side with the word, you use diversionary attacks to get off subject. Liberals do that on the Bill Oreilly show. Lets stop that and look at His word honestly. IM just saying. I am the least of the least. Please do not ask me for a laundry list of all my failures. Ok, humble enough? Lets move on.
We r to correct one another with the word, not with the traditions of men.
Instead of doing that, lets just shoot the messenger and be done with it.
I'm still smiling...bless you all.
 
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Again, I love love love love love love love love love love love the ekklesia!!! Please tell me Edward, how many times must I say it before you believe me? It's for the love of His body I stick my neck out to teach these truths.
Everything I have said, Paul said also. Does Paul hate the ekklesia because he corrected it?
 
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Withheld said:
Obadiah, I have condemned no one. As far as understanding,what r u talking about? Thanks, please correct me. By His word, not by popular beliefs....I believe you agree.
Jason instead of looking at the word to see if these things be so, you accuse me of pride. I spent many years putting my self down lower than dirt. God said 'stop that'. Instead of an honest assessment of our traditions placed side by side with the word, you use diversionary attacks to get off subject. Liberals do that on the Bill Oreilly show. Lets stop that and look at His word honestly. IM just saying. I am the least of the least. Please do not ask me for a laundry list of all my failures. Ok, humble enough? Lets move on.
We r to correct one another with the word, not with the traditions of men.
Instead of doing that, lets just shoot the messenger and be done with it.
I'm still smiling...bless you all.
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sir, I have also been hurt by the church. have you been robbed of your wages unlawfully? I HAVE. I wont work for a church in that manner.therefore If I am robbed of my time then its cause I gave it to them and they took advantage of it cause it was free. my church had its pastor steal over 200000k from it and the main demonation has made us the bad guy and also we have eat most of that and it has hurt the church bad. my own pastor doesn't like the demonational hq all the much and tell us tithes should be in cash. many a churchs are trying to wrest control of the hq from owning of the land to their local ownership as they too have been dealt with badly. so do I just bash my churchs denomation here and forever? No.its not perfect , I don't hide that fact. I just don't see the need to go around bashing it.but since you brought it up, well this is the perfect time to show you that we traditional church goers see this and try to fix it.
 
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