It's always the devil with you!!

[Jesse]

The angel was withstood for three weeks until Michael come to help out, then the angel said he would have to return to the fight, so yes there is still war in the spiritual realm.

I know someone who actually prays specifically for the battles going on in the spiritual realms.

 

[Willie T]

I recall when Daniel prayed to God and when the angel was bringing God's answer to Daniel, there was a battle in the spiritual realm and the angel was unable to deliver to him for several days. I have always wondered if this continues, I don't see why it wouldn't still be going on?

And not just in some sort of unseen "spiritual" sense. Remember when Paul, I believe it was, spoke of being hindered from coming to certain cities and people? Well, that hindrance likely WAS spiritual in origin, but was far more likely manifested in physical things like officials giving them hassles at customs, or the donkey getting sick, or thieves stealing their provisions, or a ship sailing a day before they got to the port. Things like that.

And what do we humans often do? We get mad at God about many of those things. We sure do have a hard time encompassing the Big Picture, sometimes.

 

[Karl]

But read carefully Daniel 10, Daniel didn't know there was a battle in Heaven until the angel told him of it, ...Jesus gives us a model prayer Matt 6:9-13 and He doesn't instruct us to pray against demons, in the Daniel 10 story God knew how long to allow the demon to resist the angel to accomplish the prayer he wanted Daniel to pray, it was God who decided when to send Michael to help, when we take it upon ourselves to decide when a demon should be stopped we are stepping into the realm of God and that is the lie from the Garden, ...you will be like God, that is eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are deciding what is good and what is evil and look at the catastrophic results that brought about.

 

[Jesse]

And not just in some sort of unseen "spiritual" sense. Remember when Paul, I believe it was, spoke of being hindered from coming to certain cities and people? Well, that hindrance likely WAS spiritual in origin, but was far more likely manifested in physical things like officials giving them hassles at customs, or the donkey getting sick, or thieves stealing their provisions, or a ship sailing a day before they got to the port. Things like that.

And what do we humans often do? We get mad at God about many of those things. We sure do have a hard time encompassing the Big Picture, sometimes.

That's an excellent point, I am THE most impatient person alive I think.

All of these hindrances God does turn around though, I think, He builds our character while we are experiencing them, imo.

We do tend to blame it on God, when He doesn't have anything to do with it!

 

[Jesse]

But read carefully Daniel 10, Daniel didn't know there was a battle in Heaven until the angel told him of it, ...Jesus gives us a model prayer Matt 6:9-13 and He doesn't instruct us to pray against demons, in the Daniel 10 story God knew how long to allow the demon to resist the angel to accomplish the prayer he wanted Daniel to pray, it was God who decided when to send Michael to help, when we take it upon ourselves to decide when a demon should be stopped we are stepping into the realm of God and that is the lie from the Garden, ...you will be like God, that is eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are deciding what is good and what is evil and look at the catastrophic results that brought about.

I recall that, Daniel was getting very frustrated and down trodden because he thought God was not answering him. I have no idea if it's ok to pray for the spiritual realm or not, I just know of a person who does.

Even so, we pray for things all the time that we are not sure if they really will be in God's will. For instance, we might be praying for a young person who has cancer, that God would perform a miracle on this person and save their life, but it might be God's will to allow this young person to die, and in this person's death, many people come to the Lord. So we are actually hindering his will by praying the opposite of what he wants.

True? Or no?

 

[Willie T]

I recall that, Daniel was getting very frustrated and down trodden because he thought God was not answering him. I have no idea if it's ok to pray for the spiritual realm or not, I just know of a person who does.

Even so, we pray for things all the time that we are not sure if they really will be in God's will. For instance, we might be praying for a young person who has cancer, that God would perform a miracle on this person and save their life, but it might be God's will to allow this young person to die, and in this person's death, many people come to the Lord. So we are actually hindering his will by praying the opposite of what he wants.

True? Or no?

What's Hebrews say? Faith is............. expecting Spiritual things that aren't yet seen.

 

[Karl]

Exactly!

Mary and Martha knew Jesus very well, what did they say to the Lord when Lazarus was dying, ..."one whom you love is sick."

Notice Jesus already knew about it, that is because the Father had already told Him what to do, so it is with us, in situations we don't have direct guidance from the Lord we always pray for His will to be done and when we do have direct guidance from the Lord we act in faith on His word and pray what He has told us to do,

...silver and gold I have none, but what I do have I give to you, in the name of Jesus stand up and walk, and Peter took him by the hand and raised him up, ...what did Peter have, ...Jesus told Him to heal this man, ...direct guidance from the Lord.

 

[Willie T]

We cannot see the yet undeveloped picture, so to try and second-guess God by thinking in "what-if's" doesn't seem the way to go. Our praying for....... whatever..... isn't going to be a big deterrent that will fight against the will of God.

 

[Jesse]

We cannot see the yet undeveloped picture, so to try and second-guess God by thinking in "what-if's" doesn't seem the way to go. Our praying for....... whatever..... isn't going to be a big deterrent that will fight against the will of God.

I do know that there have been times when I started praying and God actually did change the direction of my prayer.

The 2nd time today, the renewing of your mind scripture has come up for me, then we will know God's will.

Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

 

[Edward]

My Dear Brother Edward,

Thank you for your gracious words of teaching. You are a Disciple for our Lord Jesus Christ. You have hidden the Word of God in your heart as David. Thank you for your kindness and teaching the Word of God.

Thank you brother. This is very important stuff for Christian brothers and sisters to know, and I'm trying to get a good handle on it.

 

[Edward]

If you want to respond to my post, please read what I wrote before you respond.

Did I not get the gist of what you wanted to know? If I was wrong that then you could clarify for me.

Brother ILoveGod didn't seem to correct me in what I said in explanation to his post, and your question of it, so it's reasonable to presume that I did understand what he was talking about.

The only other thing that I can think of, is that you were somehow offended by my answering what you wanted him to explain, and perhaps you felt that I was butting in? Sorry if you feel that way, but I had what I thought was a good answer to your question of what does that mean?

 

[iLOVE]

Thank you brother. This is very important stuff for Christian brothers and sisters to know, and I'm trying to get a good handle on it.

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NIV

 

[Edward]

But read carefully Daniel 10, Daniel didn't know there was a battle in Heaven until the angel told him of it, ...Jesus gives us a model prayer Matt 6:9-13 and He doesn't instruct us to pray against demons, in the Daniel 10 story God knew how long to allow the demon to resist the angel to accomplish the prayer he wanted Daniel to pray, it was God who decided when to send Michael to help, when we take it upon ourselves to decide when a demon should be stopped we are stepping into the realm of God and that is the lie from the Garden, ...you will be like God, that is eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are deciding what is good and what is evil and look at the catastrophic results that brought about.

That's interesting, I never thought of it that way. I've often wondered what would have happened if Daniel had stopped his fast/prayer after say 19 days...the way you say it, God was giving Daniel time to finish...hmmm.

Your first point, I heard a pastor talk on this once...said that we really shouldn't pray for anyone unless specifically instructed to by the Holy Spirit. I'm undecided on that. Wasn't there a scripture in the OT, where someone was praying against his enemies? I think there was.

 

[Edward]

I do know that there have been times when I started praying and God actually did change the direction of my prayer.

The 2nd time today, the renewing of your mind scripture has come up for me, then we will know God's will.

Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I love that scripture! I have a video around somewhere where the whole sermon is on this verse. This goes deep.

 

[Jesse]

That's interesting, I never thought of it that way. I've often wondered what would have happened if Daniel had stopped his fast/prayer after say 19 days...the way you say it, God was giving Daniel time to finish...hmmm.

Your first point, I heard a pastor talk on this once...said that we really shouldn't pray for anyone unless specifically instructed to by the Holy Spirit. I'm undecided on that. Wasn't there a scripture in the OT, where someone was praying against his enemies? I think there was.

Interesting....the verse about bringing all our supplications to the Lord comes to mind, but honestly I wonder if we aren't supposed to pray for someone unless directed?

I do recall several Psalms where David prayed against his enemies, it seemed he was anyway.

I love that scripture! I have a video around somewhere where the whole sermon is on this verse. This goes deep.

If you happen to find it, I would love to listen to it. There seems to be a trend with the "renewing of your mind" - over here anyway.

 

[Edward]

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NIV

Exactly. and a good companion verse to go with this would be

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil./(KJV)

 

[Karl]

That's interesting, I never thought of it that way. I've often wondered what would have happened if Daniel had stopped his fast/prayer after say 19 days...the way you say it, God was giving Daniel time to finish...hmmm.

Your first point, I heard a pastor talk on this once...said that we really shouldn't pray for anyone unless specifically instructed to by the Holy Spirit. I'm undecided on that. Wasn't there a scripture in the OT, where someone was praying against his enemies? I think there was.

New Testament is the just live by faith, faith comes from hearing and hearing comes from the Word of God, Father tells us what He wants us to pray for, because anything that is not of faith is sin, ...that is, we decide what we are to do and pray for it and ask Father to bless it, ...that is presumption not faith, the Holy Spirit is with us 24/7 unless we have quenched Him in our walk by resisting what He is teaching us, ...then He is silent until we return to our Kadesh Barnea and repent and obey.

 

[Edward]

Interesting....the verse about bringing all our supplications to the Lord comes to mind, but honestly I wonder if we aren't supposed to pray for someone unless directed?

I do recall several Psalms where David prayed against his enemies, it seemed he was anyway.



If you happen to find it, I would love to listen to it. There seems to be a trend with the "renewing of your mind" - over here anyway.

That must be it. David and Psalms did come to mind while I was typing that, but I wasn't sure.

I know that it was brother Keith Moore that gave that sermon. I'll look around for it. I don't remember the title offhand though...

 

[Edward]

New Testament is the just live by faith, faith comes from hearing and hearing comes from the Word of God, Father tells us what He wants us to pray for, because anything that is not of faith is sin, ...that is, we decide what we are to do and pray for it and ask Father to bless it, ...that is presumption not faith, the Holy Spirit is with us 24/7 unless we have quenched Him in our walk by resisting what He is teaching us, ...then He is silent until we return to our Kadesh Barnea and repent and obey.

I'm going to ponder that one a bit. That does make sense how you say it.

 

[Karl]

We bumble and stumble about in our childish ways, ...Father is sooo patient with us, for me it's when I realize all of my mistakes it makes me want to just, give up, but He is always there to encourage me and tells me to learn from my mistakes and keep on keeping on.