James 2: Claiming Salvation without works

[donadams]

The supernatural virtues are gifts of God!

The virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity have God as their direct object.

By Faith we know God!

By Hope we trust His goodness and promises!

By Charity we love God!

The three theological & supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope, & Charity are infused into the soul at baptism, the mediator of the covenant provides for the necessities of the members of the covenant, in the communion of saints.

 

[JLB]

The three theological & supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope, & Charity are infused into the soul at baptism, the mediator of the covenant provides for the necessities of the members of the covenant, in the communion of saints.

Sorry brother, but this is just Catholic word salad.

 

[donadams]

Who has authority? God. How do we determine what that is? We study the Bible in it's context.
There is no human authority determine what is true Christian faith..

scripture alone? no

scripture? yes but according to the authentic interpretation of the church of Jesus Christ!

The apostolic church was taught by Christ in person for 3 years and commanded to teach all men! matt 28:19

The apostolic church existed and exercised authority in teaching and sanctifying for thirty years before the New Testament was written, the apostolic church by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote some of the revelation of Christ in the scriptures.

Scripture was not written for 30 plus years?

Canon was selected by the apostolic authority of Christ in the council of Rome and approved (by the pope) in 381-2

Not until modern mass production in the 20th century was a bible available and affordable to be in every home, and most people were illiterate until the school systems of the 20th century.

Christ did not establish a publishing house but a church the household of faith! 1 tim 3:15

Christ founded a church to teach and sanctify all men! Matt 26:18-19 matt 28:19.

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

thks

 

[donadams]

Again, this just shows that you don't even know what you're arguing against. Did you re-read the post I linked to? If not, please do so, and re-read the definitions of justification that were provided, HERE.

Lk 10:27
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

this is true and deny's "faith alone"!

The supernatural virtues are gifts of God!

The virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity have God as their direct object.

By Faith we know God!

By Hope we trust His goodness and promises!

By Charity we love God!

The three theological & supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope, & Charity are infused into the soul at baptism, the mediator of the covenant provides for the necessities of the members of the covenant, in the communion of saints.

The supernatural virture has of Charity or love of God!

who says the commandments & worship are part of salvation?

deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

1 Timothy 1:14
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Ephe 6:24
Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Titus 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent
charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
thks

 

[donadams]

Sorry brother, but this is just Catholic word salad.

ez 36:25-27

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

including the infused virtues

new heart to Love God!
rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Fire of divine love!

He will baptize you with fire and the Holy Spirit!

thks

 

[JLB]

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Beautiful scriptures.

 

[onlysaved]

scripture alone? no

scripture? yes but according to the authentic interpretation of the church of Jesus Christ!

The apostolic church was taught by Christ in person for 3 years and commanded to teach all men! matt 28:19

The apostolic church existed and exercised authority in teaching and sanctifying for thirty years before the New Testament was written, the apostolic church by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote some of the revelation of Christ in the scriptures.

Scripture was not written for 30 plus years?

Canon was selected by the apostolic authority of Christ in the council of Rome and approved (by the pope) in 381-2

Not until modern mass production in the 20th century was a bible available and affordable to be in every home, and most people were illiterate until the school systems of the 20th century.

Christ did not establish a publishing house but a church the household of faith! 1 tim 3:15

Christ founded a church to teach and sanctify all men! Matt 26:18-19 matt 28:19.

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

thks

No! Scripture alone according to what the Bible says in it's original language in context of the culture in which it is written. Aka the best understanding that we can have of what it meant to the people it was written to..
Everything else is rubbish..
Church tradition is utterly meaningless.

There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus..
The idea that anyone else is between individuals and God

Thank God for the printing press and wide spread literacy that lead to the reformation.

The most important thing anyone can do is to study the Bible and let their own convictions form their beliefs apart from what any mortal man has to say. There is no authority other than God. And no authority in between God and man, no person no organization , just you and God.

 

[Free]

Lk 10:27
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

this is true and deny's "faith alone"!

The supernatural virtues are gifts of God!

The virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity have God as their direct object.

By Faith we know God!

By Hope we trust His goodness and promises!

By Charity we love God!

The three theological & supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope, & Charity are infused into the soul at baptism, the mediator of the covenant provides for the necessities of the members of the covenant, in the communion of saints.

The supernatural virture has of Charity or love of God!

who says the commandments & worship are part of salvation?

deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Luke 7:47
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 cor 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

1 Timothy 1:14
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Ephe 6:24
Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Titus 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Jude 1:21
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent
charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
thks

If you want to remain in this discussion, you must address what is actually meant by "faith alone," as stated HERE, and re-read the definitions of justification that were provided, HERE. You have yet to show that you even know what you're arguing against. You just keep setting up your straw man.

 

[donadams]

No! Scripture alone according to what the Bible says in it's original language in context of the culture in which it is written. Aka the best understanding that we can have of what it meant to the people it was written to..
Everything else is rubbish..
Church tradition is utterly meaningless.

There is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus..
The idea that anyone else is between individuals and God

Thank God for the printing press and wide spread literacy that lead to the reformation.

The most important thing anyone can do is to study the Bible and let their own convictions form their beliefs apart from what any mortal man has to say. There is no authority other than God. And no authority in between God and man, no person no organization , just you and God.

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what is truth?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide doctrine?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what constitutes the faith of Christians?

where does scripture say that scripture is the only authority?

did Christ establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? matt 28:19

what did men do before the press and most men were illiterate before the school systems of the 20th century and bibles were rare and expensive before the mass publishing process of the 20th century

one mediator only refers to the atonement and redemption
1 tim 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

tradition is commanded by Christ matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 acts 1:8 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

reformers were not apostles and had no authority and the reformation is the tradition of men all five sola errors!

thks

 

[donadams]

If you want to remain in this discussion, you must address what is actually meant by "faith alone," as stated HERE, and re-read the definitions of justification that were provided, HERE. You have yet to show that you even know what you're arguing against. You just keep setting up your straw man.

you are not clear at all!
I can't understand a statement of "faith alone" that is not strictly faith with nothing added!

thks

 

[JLB]

The most important thing anyone can do is to study the Bible and let their own convictions form their beliefs apart from what any mortal man has to say. There is no authority other than God. And no authority in between God and man, no person no organization , just you and God.

Amen.

 

[donadams]

Amen.

not biblical

Where does scripture say we have authority to read the bible for ourselves and decide doctrine on our own?


Christians must be taught or instructed, according to the sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed, as commanded by Christ! Matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3

Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!

Those who submit to the ap

 

[donadams]

Amen.

not what Christ says:

matt 16:18-19

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(the church has authority to bind all christians to believe what God has revealed)

matt 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

matt 18:17

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
(must hear the church)

acts 1:1-8
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Lk 10:16

16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

1 tim 3:15

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Jn 13:20

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

heb 13:7-17

7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

if you claim the bible you must believe the bible!

thks

 

[onlysaved]

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what is truth?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide doctrine?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what constitutes the faith of Christians?

where does scripture say that scripture is the only authority?

did Christ establish a church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? matt 28:19

what did men do before the press and most men were illiterate before the school systems of the 20th century and bibles were rare and expensive before the mass publishing process of the 20th century

one mediator only refers to the atonement and redemption
1 tim 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

tradition is commanded by Christ matt 28:19-20 acts 1:1-8

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 acts 1:8 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

reformers were not apostles and had no authority and the reformation is the tradition of men all five sola errors!

thks

You're putting words in my mouth..

1. God ALONE decides what is truth.
Our job as individuals is to study the Bible and determine what that truth is.
2. Again the bible ALONE determines doctrine it's our job to study and determine what it should be.

3. The whole Bible determines what christian faith is. Our job is to study it and obey it.

4. Teaching and training is of course part of the church's responsibility it is not however their job, or right to mandate what individuals believe.

5.im fine with leaders in individual churches having authority over their congregations as they are called to do. They do not however have the authority to determine what individuals believe.
When a church starts teaching lies from the pit of hell it loses all of it's authority..

Peter was rebuked by Paul for showing favoritism to jews.. and Paul said he couldn't have cared less about Peter's status as leader of the Church in Jerusalem only. It was nothing to him.

Peter's ministry apart from his letters ender with his martyrdom

The Bible is full of stories of individuals doing what God told them to do as individuals very often against the religious establishment. That's just how God works because humans screw stuff up, like the church.
God's revelation to individuals is the greatest source of authority in his life, and that is nearly always through the Word.

 

[donadams]

You're putting words in my mouth..

1. God ALONE decides what is truth.
Our job as individuals is to study the Bible and determine what that truth is.
2. Again the bible ALONE determines doctrine it's our job to study and determine what it should be.

3. The whole Bible determines what christian faith is. Our job is to study it and obey it.

4. Teaching and training is of course part of the church's responsibility it is not however their job, or right to mandate what individuals believe.

5.im fine with leaders in individual churches having authority over their congregations as they are called to do. They do not however have the authority to determine what individuals believe.
When a church starts teaching lies from the pit of hell it loses all of it's authority..

Peter was rebuked by Paul for showing favoritism to jews.. and Paul said he couldn't have cared less about Peter's status as leader of the Church in Jerusalem only. It was nothing to him.

Peter's ministry apart from his letters ender with his martyrdom

The Bible is full of stories of individuals doing what God told them to do as individuals very often against the religious establishment. That's just how God works because humans screw stuff up, like the church.
God's revelation to individuals is the greatest source of authority in his life, and that is nearly always through the Word.

apostolic church has the authority of Christ in union with Christ (matt 28:18-20) to bind all christians in their belief (matt 16:18-19)

example

Apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Theotokos: God bearer!

one faith of all christians eph 4:5 thee faith once handed to the saints Jude 1:3

 

[Free]

you are not clear at all!
I can't understand a statement of "faith alone" that is not strictly faith with nothing added!

On the contrary, I've been very clear. You just don't seem to be reading my posts as thoroughly as you should.

I said that 'you must address what is actually meant by "faith alone," as stated HERE.' I asked you previously to address what is actually meant by faith alone, but you haven't. You keep stating your straw man, which is what the the OP was arguing against as well. If you want to actually address what Protestants believe about "faith alone," you first have to understand what they mean by it. When you click the link I provided and read my post, this is what I said:

"Faith alone" is almost universally used as short for being justified by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. That is exactly what Paul teaches throughout his writings, including Eph. 2:8-9.

There may be some very fringe preachers who distort Scripture to say that we only ever need faith and never need to do good works, and that is what they mean by "faith alone," but that is absolutely not what is generally meant by "faith alone." It is "faith alone" as opposed to "faith plus works" or "works alone" in regards to justification, to that initial point of salvation.

That is what you need to address. And, since the CC seems to have an unbiblical definition of "justification"--it seems to be defined differently than how it is used in the Bible, which is how Protestants define it--I also linked to JLB's post where he provided the biblical definitions of the Greek word dikaioō, which is translated as "justification" or "justified." Those definitions, according to Thayer's Greek Definitions, are:

1) to render righteous or such he ought to be
2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So, when we come to "justified" or "justification," we need to look at the context to understand what meaning is meant by the writer.

Until you can show understanding of those things, you are simply arguing against a straw man and not what Protestants actually believe.

 

[Free]

Everyone please stick to the topic, which is what James 2 means, not who has the authority to interpret Scripture.

 

[JLB]

Where does scripture say we have authority to read the bible for ourselves and decide doctrine on our own?

The scriptures plainly teach that the anointing, the Spirit, teaches us all things.

• the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you

As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
1 John 2:27

The Spirit of truth leads us and guides into all truth.


This is what the New Covenant is about, being taught by Him directly.

• I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts;
• No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them

““Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”Jeremiah 31:31-34


Here is an example:

When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:13-17

• flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

The rock, the solid foundation the Church is built upon is God teaches His children directly and provides for them.

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18
The solid foundation the church is built upon is Jesus Christ and His teachings, that He still teaches His people by His Spirit.

“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: Matthew 7:24

The Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Church Jesus Christ is building.

The Catholic Church is the enemy of God’s kingdom.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Everyone please stick to the topic, which is what James 2 means, not who has the authority to interpret Scripture.

I’m Sorry.

 

[donadams]

On the contrary, I've been very clear. You just don't seem to be reading my posts as thoroughly as you should.

I said that 'you must address what is actually meant by "faith alone," as stated HERE.' I asked you previously to address what is actually meant by faith alone, but you haven't. You keep stating your straw man, which is what the the OP was arguing against as well. If you want to actually address what Protestants believe about "faith alone," you first have to understand what they mean by it. When you click the link I provided and read my post, this is what I said:

"Faith alone" is almost universally used as short for being justified by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. That is exactly what Paul teaches throughout his writings, including Eph. 2:8-9.

There may be some very fringe preachers who distort Scripture to say that we only ever need faith and never need to do good works, and that is what they mean by "faith alone," but that is absolutely not what is generally meant by "faith alone." It is "faith alone" as opposed to "faith plus works" or "works alone" in regards to justification, to that initial point of salvation.

That is what you need to address. And, since the CC seems to have an unbiblical definition of "justification"--it seems to be defined differently than how it is used in the Bible, which is how Protestants define it--I also linked to JLB's post where he provided the biblical definitions of the Greek word dikaioō, which is translated as "justification" or "justified." Those definitions, according to Thayer's Greek Definitions, are:

1) to render righteous or such he ought to be
2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

So, when we come to "justified" or "justification," we need to look at the context to understand what meaning is meant by the writer.

Until you can show understanding of those things, you are simply arguing against a straw man and not what Protestants actually believe.

i read it
1) eph 2:8 is past tense and does not refer to our act of faith for salvation but refers to the redemption accomplished by Christ apart from us! "not of yourselves"

2) we are living members of Christ as adults by faith and baptism mk 16:16 acts 8:30-38

3) there are many kinds of work's causing much confusion
"works of the law"
"natural works"
"supernatural works of the christian life"

natural works are done apart from Christ and His lifecof grace!

supernatural works are those of the Living members of Christ in His new covenant of grace by faith and baptism, then we must abide in Christ by prayer, fasting, alms, mass & sacraments, and the practice of the virtues of Jesus Christ, (matt 11:29) (1 cor 13:13) abiding in Christ (Jn 15:5) keeping ourselves in the love of God, (Jude 1:21) and enduring to the end (Matt 10:22)

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.
4) scripture once says faith alone! James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
1 cor 13:2 even all
faith without charity avails nothing 1 cor 13:13 three things (not faith alone) are eternal faith, hope, & Charity
greatest would be faith is the doctrine of "faith alone" was true but the greatest is charity!

The supernatural virtues are gifts of God!

The virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity have God as their direct object.

By Faith we know God!

By Hope we trust His goodness and promises!

By Charity we love God!

The three theological & supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope, & Charity are infused into the soul at baptism, the mediator of the covenant provides for the necessities of the members of the covenant, in the communion of saints.

thks