Jesus Christ THE FIRST and THE LAST

[Runningman]

Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with God the Father, as He is YHWH!

That really isn't the story the Bible tells about Jesus and God. Jesus isn't YHWH.

 

[Runningman]

Unique, Not Only-Begotten

Monogenēs Does this word mean “begetting” in any way, as some would argue? Commentaries, like the Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges, say of “monogenēs”, “It refers to His eternal generation from the Father”, on John 1:14. The words used in this verse by John, “monogenous para...

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Psalms 2:7 and Hebrews 1:5 say the Son was begotten in the literal sense of the word. No wiggle room to get around it on these verses.

 

[SolaScriptura]

That really isn't the story the Bible tells about Jesus and God. Jesus isn't YHWH.

if this were true, then you are right and the Bible is wrong!

Here are a couple of clear Bible references that Jesus Christ is YHWH

Isaiah 40:3 says:

“The voice of one that cries, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of YHWH; make level in the desert a highway for our God”

Matthew 3:3; Luke 3:4; Mark 1:3:

“For this is He that was spoken of through Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight”

"This is HE", that is, JESUS CHRIST, Who is the Person spoken of in Isaiah 40! There is no way to get around this very clear Bible Testimony!

"We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents” - 1 Corinthians 10:9

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

Paul, Writing under the Supervision of God the Holy Spirit, is very clear, that the Person in Numbers 21, Who sent the snakes, is The Lord Jesus Christ!

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.
Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.
Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587)

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”

On the Name “Yahweh, the Hebrew and English Lexicon, by F Brown, S R Driver and C A Briggs, says:
“Yahweh, the proper name of the God of Israel...the one bringing into being, life-giver, giver of existence, creator, he who brings to pass...he who causes...the one who is: i.e. the absolute and unchangeable one, the existing, ever-living” (pages 217-218)

To any honest person, without any bias, can see that it is VERY CLEAR, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH!

 

[Runningman]

if this were true, then you are right and the Bible is wrong!

Here are a couple of clear Bible references that Jesus Christ is YHWH

Isaiah 40:3 says:

“The voice of one that cries, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of YHWH; make level in the desert a highway for our God”

Matthew 3:3; Luke 3:4; Mark 1:3:

“For this is He that was spoken of through Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight”

"This is HE", that is, JESUS CHRIST, Who is the Person spoken of in Isaiah 40! There is no way to get around this very clear Bible Testimony!

"We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents” - 1 Corinthians 10:9

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

Paul, Writing under the Supervision of God the Holy Spirit, is very clear, that the Person in Numbers 21, Who sent the snakes, is The Lord Jesus Christ!

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.
Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.
Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587)

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”

On the Name “Yahweh, the Hebrew and English Lexicon, by F Brown, S R Driver and C A Briggs, says:
“Yahweh, the proper name of the God of Israel...the one bringing into being, life-giver, giver of existence, creator, he who brings to pass...he who causes...the one who is: i.e. the absolute and unchangeable one, the existing, ever-living” (pages 217-218)

To any honest person, without any bias, can see that it is VERY CLEAR, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH!

I and the Bible are both right.

Begin with Genesis 1:1 where in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Acts 17:24 says that the Lord of Heaven and Earth is the God who made everything. Since Jesus explicitly referred to the Lord of heaven and earth as the Father in Matthew 11:25, then YHWH isn't Jesus, but rather YHWH is the Father. This is why Jesus calls Him the only true God in John 17:3, along with Jeremiah in Jer. 10:10, Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10, and John in 1 John 5:20.

If that isn't enough, you may also observe that Jesus plainly isn't YHWH in Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 2:7. The lord at YHWHS right hand isn't YHWH; YHWH did not become YHWH's Father. Does that make sense?

This is exactly why YHWH created alone in the beginning according to Genesis 1 and Isaiah 44:24. Not really much wiggle room here to fit anyone else in. YHWH is God's personal name, the name of the Father, not a pluralistic person.

 

[SolaScriptura]

I and the Bible are both right.

Begin with Genesis 1:1 where in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Acts 17:24 says that the Lord of Heaven and Earth is the God who made everything. Since Jesus explicitly referred to the Lord of heaven and earth as the Father in Matthew 11:25, then YHWH isn't Jesus, but rather YHWH is the Father. This is why Jesus calls Him the only true God in John 17:3, along with Jeremiah in Jer. 10:10, Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10, and John in 1 John 5:20.

If that isn't enough, you may also observe that Jesus plainly isn't YHWH in Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 2:7. The lord at YHWHS right hand isn't YHWH; YHWH did not become YHWH's Father. Does that make sense?

This is exactly why YHWH created alone in the beginning according to Genesis 1 and Isaiah 44:24. Not really much wiggle room here to fit anyone else in. YHWH is God's personal name, the name of the Father, not a pluralistic person.

Read Hebrews 1:10-12

The Father addresses Jesus Christ as The Creator

Now compare with Psalm 102:24-27

 

[Runningman]

Read Hebrews 1:10-12

Thank you I have read it. Hebrews 1:10 is about the God who anointed the Son in Hebrews 1:9. That would mean the Son is not the creator.

The Father addresses Jesus Christ as The Creator

Not one time.

Now compare with Psalm 102:24-27

This only confirms the Father is the creator.

I might also add that John and Peter didn't believe Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth. They said such when praying in Acts 4:24,27, calling Jesus the Creator's servant.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Thank you I have read it. Hebrews 1:10 is about the God who anointed the Son in Hebrews 1:9. That would mean the Son is not the creator.


Not one time.


This only confirms the Father is the creator.

I might also add that John and Peter didn't believe Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth. They said such when praying in Acts 4:24,27, calling Jesus the Creator's servant.

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven, Matthew 16:17

 

[Dmytro]

Not exactly. Jesus doesn't have all of the power and authority of the Father according to Jesus. Jesus was made Lord of the church.

This isn't something to argue about, doesn't require any proof from my side or your's acceptance. Jesus' words and I surely prefer to believe him
John 3:34
35 the Father doth love the Son, and all things hath given into his hand;

 

[Dmytro]

Jesus may have agreed with everything his Father commanded him to do, but that doesn't mean they were in total alignment about what their desires were. Jesus actually has a different will than God.

"Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”

That's very remarkable how you're perverting Jesus' decision to do Father's will into some 'different will' or 'misalignment of desires'.

 

[Dmytro]

I am not.

Hebrews 1
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

Hebrews 7
7And indisputably, the lesser is blessed by the greater.

The last quote doesn't refer to Jesus and the Father

 

[Dmytro]

Thank you I have read it. Hebrews 1:10 is about the God who anointed the Son in Hebrews 1:9. That would mean the Son is not the creator.


Not one time.


This only confirms the Father is the creator.

I might also add that John and Peter didn't believe Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth. They said such when praying in Acts 4:24,27, calling Jesus the Creator's servant.

Jesus is the one through whom God created everything. This is clear.
John 1:3
3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.

 

[Whatever]

therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”

Yes, God has anointed the man Christ Jesus above his human companions, not the eternal Word.

7And indisputably, the lesser is blessed by the greater.

Again, the word greater. The context is one man Melchizedek blessed the man Abraham. Melchizedek was the king of Salem, Abraham was not a king.

 

[Dmytro]

Jesus Christ is 100% COEQUAL with God the Father, as He is YHWH!

Jesus obviously isn't Yahweh. He and the Father are different persons.

 

[Dmytro]

Psalms 2:7 and Hebrews 1:5 say the Son was begotten in the literal sense of the word. No wiggle room to get around it on these verses.

That's obvious that the sense of those passages is not literal.

 

[Dmytro]

if this were true, then you are right and the Bible is wrong!

Here are a couple of clear Bible references that Jesus Christ is YHWH

Isaiah 40:3 says:

“The voice of one that cries, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of YHWH; make level in the desert a highway for our God”

Matthew 3:3; Luke 3:4; Mark 1:3:

“For this is He that was spoken of through Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight”

"This is HE", that is, JESUS CHRIST, Who is the Person spoken of in Isaiah 40! There is no way to get around this very clear Bible Testimony!

"We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents” - 1 Corinthians 10:9

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

Paul, Writing under the Supervision of God the Holy Spirit, is very clear, that the Person in Numbers 21, Who sent the snakes, is The Lord Jesus Christ!

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.
Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.
Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587)

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”

On the Name “Yahweh, the Hebrew and English Lexicon, by F Brown, S R Driver and C A Briggs, says:
“Yahweh, the proper name of the God of Israel...the one bringing into being, life-giver, giver of existence, creator, he who brings to pass...he who causes...the one who is: i.e. the absolute and unchangeable one, the existing, ever-living” (pages 217-218)

To any honest person, without any bias, can see that it is VERY CLEAR, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH!

The quotes you provided are very remarkable and important to prove the extraordinary Jesus' status but the conclusion you made is wrong. Jesus isn't Jahweh but the one whom Jahweh sent instead of himself. He was among us as the Father himself.

 

[Dmytro]

Let's stop arguing with those who don't believe in Jesus and what he said and better discuss Jesus' relations with his Father.

 

[KV-44-v1]

I and the Bible are both right.

Begin with Genesis 1:1 where in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Acts 17:24 says that the Lord of Heaven and Earth is the God who made everything. Since Jesus explicitly referred to the Lord of heaven and earth as the Father in Matthew 11:25, then YHWH isn't Jesus, but rather YHWH is the Father. This is why Jesus calls Him the only true God in John 17:3, along with Jeremiah in Jer. 10:10, Paul in 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10, and John in 1 John 5:20.

If that isn't enough, you may also observe that Jesus plainly isn't YHWH in Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 2:7. The lord at YHWHS right hand isn't YHWH; YHWH did not become YHWH's Father. Does that make sense?

This is exactly why YHWH created alone in the beginning according to Genesis 1 and Isaiah 44:24. Not really much wiggle room here to fit anyone else in. YHWH is God's personal name, the name of the Father, not a pluralistic person.

so if Jesus isnt God then a mere man died for our sins. and a finite man cannot bear infinite punishment.
also, Jesus would have sinned if He werent God.
Your "Jesus not God" ideology fails to deliver, logically and doctrinally speaking.

 

[Whatever]

Jesus obviously isn't Yahweh. He and the Father are different persons.

I looked up "person" on dictionary.com, and got this:

1. a human being, whether an adult or child: The table seats four persons.
2. a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.

So the Father can't be a person.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Jesus is the one through whom God created everything. This is clear.
John 1:3
3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.

I looked up "person" on dictionary.com, and got this:

1. a human being, whether an adult or child: The table seats four persons.
2. a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.

So the Father can't be a person.

Change your dictionary

 

[Runningman]

This isn't something to argue about, doesn't require any proof from my side or your's acceptance. Jesus' words and I surely prefer to believe him
John 3:34
35 the Father doth love the Son, and all things hath given into his hand;

So Jesus needed to be given [by God] what he has.