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Jesus Is God: Part 1

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Jesus is Deity, but He's not the Father. People equivocate on the word God. You're posting these passages as if they counter the other passages. They don't. If we can't reconcile all of the passages we have something wrong in our theology
The only way YOUR theology can be reconciled is if the ONE God coexists in heaven and on earth, in spirit and in the flesh.
 

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Acts 8:30 kjv
30. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31. And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33. In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35. Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Colossians 2:16 kjv
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Most everything in the time of the law was about Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the law.
The word became flesh. We drink his blood and eat his flesh. Food and drink in the OT is a shadow.

The eunuch was reading OT shadows of the coming Jesus.

I hope this helps.

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If it was the same Yaweh it wouldn't be in Heaven and on earth. That indicates 2 not one. The one earth appeared to and spoke with Abraham. He was seen by Abraham. The one in Heaven cannot be seen.
God is Omnipresent in heaven, and on earth in the likeness of man. Do you know what omnipresent means?
 

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Jesus is Deity, but He's not the Father. People equivocate on the word God. You're posting these passages as if they counter the other passages. They don't. If we can't reconcile all of the passages we have something wrong in our theology
Jesus is Deity. The Father is Deity. There is ONE God. Work it out. I will give you a clue.

JESUS IS THE ONE GOD WITH US, CLOTHED IN FLESH.
 

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I think Jesus was mortal. Jesus died for our sins. Jesus was raised from the dead (first fruits of the dead).

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The flesh was mortal, but the Spirit in Jesus was immortal. (In my post I got it the wrong way round, for which I apologise.)
Mind you, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
 
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John 2:19​

YESHUA answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

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Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

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But He spake of the temple of His body.

What temple was destroyed? His Body, What temple did He raise up, His Body.

And if that's not clear enough. The passage is clarified further, He spake of the Temple of His Body, the one that was buried for three days, the one He raised Up. Clear enough?

Yes, will the deity deniers accept it, No

John 10:18​

No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of My Father.

Acts 10:40​

Him God raised up the third day, and shewed Him openly;
 
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Did you not read my previous post where back in Israel, "Son of" means "same as?"

For someone to become the Son, we need to ask ourselves what or who was he before he became the Son.
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The Seed of the Father.
 

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Who is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings according to Isaiah nine?
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Jesus


and Deuteronomy 10:17


For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
 
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Jesus is Deity. The Father is Deity. There is ONE God. Work it out. I will give you a clue.

Jesus is the Lord God, YHWH.

He was begotten of the Father before the foundation of the world.

He is the eternal Son of God.

The Son became flesh.

The Son created all things according to the will of the Father.

God the Father beget God the Son.



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He (Jesus) was the Father originally.
I don't believe that is what is stated in the doctrine of the trinity. (3 persons)

Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God how does this believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?

If Jesus always was and always was God, and there is only one God, how did He become the Son?
 

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Revelation 13:8 !kjv
8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The imagery of his being slain appears in human anatomy. We were made in the image of God. Jesus being the express image.

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I don't believe that is what is stated in the doctrine of the trinity. (3 persons)

Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God how does this believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?

If Jesus always was and always was God, and there is only one God, how did He become the Son?
Side notes / traditions:

Jesus said ( by your traditions you undo the Word of God).
Today some groups undo the Word of God in the books of church order. The letters to the churches identify errors and correct thinking.

Hopefully we all can bypass some doctrinal statements that are error and be of one mind.


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Side notes / traditions:

Jesus said ( by your traditions you undo the Word of God).
Today some groups undo the Word of God in the books of church order. The letters to the churches identify errors and correct thinking.

Hopefully we all can bypass some doctrinal statements that are error and be of one mind.


eddif
I told my Lord I think the trinity will stand until the 2nd coming.
It is my understanding from above Jesus is Gods firstborn and the beginning of the creation of God. Hence the firstborn of all creation. Before all things. The name Jesus inherited from His God is mighty God. (Col 1:19) -Gifted and from the will of another. The other defined Jesus's being. In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is and He and the Father are one.
It is the Fathers Deity in fullness that dwells in Jesus. The Father is the only true God and Jesus's God. They are one as the Father ordained.

The Father is the one who glorifies Jesus.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy

And in Jesus the Father is glorified

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
 

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The Seed of the Father.
I believe you are thinking of Romans 1:3 regarding the birth of Jesus on earth.

But before Jesus came down from heaven:-

John 3:13 KJV And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

He created all things that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:16-18 KJV.

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I don't believe that is what is stated in the doctrine of the trinity. (3 persons)

Jesus calls the Father the only true God if He always was and always was God how does this believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"?

If Jesus always was and always was God, and there is only one God, how did He become the Son?
He became the Son when he came down from heaven's glory.

In Hebrews 1:8 we read : -
But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
(Notice, God the Father calls His Son “God.” Father and Son are One. If in the days of Christ, people could have seen through the flesh of Jesus, they would have seen the Father's Spirit.)

Jesus said, "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:10)
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Only begotten is Mono Genes
Mono - One
Genes - Kind

Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Abraham had Ishmael with Hagar before Isaac, Isaac was Not the only son born to Abraham

Monogenes = Unique, One of a Kind

Firstborn is a Title that signifies the rightful Heir

Ephraim is YHWH's firstborn

Jeremiah 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.

Ephraim, the younger of the two sons of Joseph

Genesis 48:14
And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

Israel is YHWH's firstborn

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH , Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

David is YHWH's firstborn, the Seventh Son of Jesse

Psalms 89:27
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

Only begotten = One of a Kind, and has Nothing to do with an order of being created
Firstborn = The Heir in these verses, and not the literal Firstborn.

The Beginning(Arche) of the Creation

Arche = Ruler

Archangel = Chief Angel
 
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It does have the meaning of preeminence. But, who has preeminence? Is it not the firstborn?
The use of firstborn can mean preeminence without the referent having actually been born (Psalms 89:27; Jer 31:9). It is about the sovereignty of Christ, hence what is in the verses that follow.

It doesn't contradict any of those passages. It's not talking about His human birth. It's about His coming forth from the Father before creation.
I suppose one could make the argument that it refers to Jesus being eternally begotten, and so speaks of his eternal preexistence. What we cannot say is that there was a time when the Son did not exist. If he came into being, two insurmountable problems arise: 1) he is a mere creature and 2) that would be the beginning of time and creation. Both of those problems would contradict the rest is the passage as well as John 1:1-18 and others.
 

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I believe you are thinking of Romans 1:3 regarding the birth of Jesus on earth.

No sir.

Jesus was begotten before creation.

  • The Son created the heavens and the earth.
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


  • The Son appeared to Abraham.

When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1



  • The Son appeared to Moses.

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6



  • The Son got in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego.

“Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.” Daniel 3:25



  • The Son spoke through the mouth of the prophets.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11




All these things were done by the Son, before He became flesh.






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