Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Butch5]

Liquid water
Ice
Clear humidity

Male
Female
Baby

Stages of Butterfly

Water cycle lake, evaporation rain

Seed, plant, fruit containing seed

Planting, growth, harvest

eddif
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Your examples would be Modalism. H2O is not liquid, ice, and vapor, all at the same time. They're different forms of the same substance. Modalism says that God is a being who sometimes manifests as the Father, sometimes the Son, sometimes the Spirit. It doesn't hold to the three separate persons concept.

 

[Cooper]

Your examples would be Modalism. H2O is not liquid, ice, and vapor, all at the same time. They're different forms of the same substance. Modalism says that God is a being who sometimes manifests as the Father, sometimes the Son, sometimes the Spirit. It doesn't hold to the three separate persons concept.

H2O is two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. Three parts that constitute water, making it; “Three in One.”
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[Butch5]

God’s Spirit bears witness with our spirit.


God is Spirit.

We are a spirit.

God breathes His Spirit into our spirit in which we have eternal life.

If we didn’t have a spirit, we would be dead.


For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

God forms our spirit within us.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1


Spirit of God

spirit of man




JLB

The "our spirit" is the breath of life from God. Man is not a spirit. I've proven that over and over. When the disciples thought they saw a spirit Jesus told them He was not a spirit. He said a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone. Man has flesh and bone. God said, man is flesh. He told Adam, you are dust.

If you study the words and their usage from Gen to Rev it becomes clear what they mean and that man isn't a spirit.

As I pointed out, the words being used show possession, not person. Man's and our are words that show possession. To say "our spirit" is to say we are in possession of a spirit, not that we are a spirit.

 

[Butch5]

H2O is two parts Hydrogen and one part Oxygen. Three parts that constitute water, making it; “Three in One.”
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Are you following the discussion? Two hydrogen and one oxygen molecule form water. That has nothing to do with the discussion. Three hydrogen molecules don't form one hydrogen molecule.

 

[Cooper]

That's not what it says. Look at what you're doing. You're changing Scripture to fit your beliefs

1 Corinthians 8:6
“For us, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

Regarding 1 Corinthians 8:6, It is interesting to note that the Arians and Socinians make use of this passage to prove that the Son was inferior to God. They argue that Jesus is called Lord and not God.

This is silly. (1) Scripture frequently applies the title of Lord to God. (2) We owe our existence to both. (3) And as scripture expressly credits Jesus as the creator, who made “all things,” he must be God.

 

[Cooper]

Are you following the discussion? Two hydrogen and one oxygen molecule form water. That has nothing to do with the discussion. Three hydrogen molecules don't form one hydrogen molecule.

I responded to YOUR post. How about YOU keep to the subject in hand.

 

[Butch5]

1 Corinthians 8:6
“For us, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”

Regarding 1 Corinthians 8:6, It is interesting to note that the Arians and Socinians make use of this passage to prove that the Son was inferior to God. They argue that Jesus is called Lord and not God.

This is silly. (1) Scripture frequently applies the title of Lord to God. (2) We owe our existence to both. (3) And as scripture expressly credits Jesus as the creator, who made “all things,” he must be God.

No one said He isn't. The issue is that people don't understand what the word God means and so they conflate Jesus and the Father saying there is one God and then try to somehow make them both the same being. God is a title, not a name. We call the Father God and people use it like a name. Just like we call someone the President. America has had 46 Presidents. We call all of them President yet no one argues that they are all one being. When we say "the" President we are referring to a particular one. The current one. The word God is a title for Deity. The Father is Deity. Obviously if He begets a Son the Son is Deity. However, that doesn't make them the same being. This is where people equivocate. They go from using the word God as a title to using it as a name for the ultimate being and in doing so attempt to make the Father and the Son the same being. This concept is flatly refuted in Scripture over and over and over and over. Paul talks about the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. Obviously the ultimate God cannot have a God. If He did, He's not the ultimate God. Jesus has a God, the Father does not. The Father is the ultimate God. When the Scriptures say there is one God, it is being used in this sense of supreme authority. It is not denying the Deity of Christ. It is simply affirming the absolute superiority of the Father above all. That's why this idea of three coequal persons doesn't work. The Scriptures flatly refute it.

 

[Butch5]

I responded to YOUR post. How about YOU keep to the subject in hand.

You responded with a nonsensical statement. The issue is how three of something can be one of that same something, not how several different things can add up to three. I can put chocolate powder into milk and make chocolate milk, two things equal one. That however is not the issue

 

[eddif]

The "our spirit" is the breath of life from God. Man is not a spirit. I've proven that over and over. When the disciples thought they saw a spirit Jesus told them He was not a spirit. He said a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone. Man has flesh and bone. God said, man is flesh. He told Adam, you are dust.

If you study the words and their usage from Gen to Rev it becomes clear what they mean and that man isn't a spirit.

As I pointed out, the words being used show possession, not person. Man's and our are words that show possession. To say "our spirit" is to say we are in possession of a spirit, not that we are a spirit.

Some nerve networks in us process thoughts. Those thoughts are spirit; especially dreams and visions from God.

The carnal mind can process evil thoughts if led by the evil one.


At the resurrection christians become immortal and uncorruptable. If their name is written in the lambs book of life they go to heaven for eternity.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Edward]

No pleasure in understanding? No one has been able to present an argument that is understandable. How are three coequal, coeternal, persons one person?

Ok then, let's approach this from a different angle. I do notice that you have a profound proclivity to ignore many many questions which just happen to challenge your position. Nevertheless, I'll try.

How about us? Who are we? Are we not spirit/soul/ and body in the form of one person?
How about the man in scripture who was possessed by a legion of demons? Did those people who looked upon him, see a crowd around the man or did they see one being there?

Let us glance at forum statistics for a moment. You have not presented any acceptable argument that God is not 3 in 1. Now if the truth shall be established by 2 or 3 witnesses, then, you have no witness with this presumed position of yours. Wherein is your truth sir?

Truth has a way of ringing loudly. That's scripturally called a quickening of the spirit. I do not get a quickening in my spirit when I read your posts. Why would that be? You don't have a 2nd voice to witness your position as truth. My position seems to be the consensus with other members, so tell me why that is not a 2nd or 3rd witness attesting to the truth?

And don't even try that, well the majority is always wrong because you have a select membershop here of people who are in Christ and Christ is in them. So are we all lying and are not Christians and following God? That's impossible, we can't all be lying. Christians may be the minority of the Global community but on this forum we are the majority, so with that said, let me draw your attention to a scripture.

John 16:13:13-14
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.../

The Holy Spirit's job is to guide us into all truth. Not some of it, but all truth. So I ask you, is Almighty God's Holy Spirit shirking His duties in doing this with all board members except you? That's very far fetched, lol.

I think I know what your problem is. You have had many proofs of scripture posted for you and yet you say that no proof has been shown to you that is understandable to you...!!! So your problem is clear to me. You don't really trust God. You read the scriptures from your carnal mind and self. This is a mistake sir! You must read it from your spirit.

You just do't know much about the spiritual realm and how it works. Certainly you are familiar with the scripture that says, the Carnal mind is the enemy of God and can not discern or understand spiritual things because they are spiritual and spiritually discerned. So you never, ever, will be able to: make sense or logic to any of it!

If you don't think that your spirit has a consciousness of it's own and can speak to your carnal mind, then sir, you have a lot of praying to do. (In the spirit). God seeks those who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. What's that mean? It means you read His instruction book prayerfully while speaking to the Holy Spirit...saying, what's that mean Lord? Then you meditate on it and sit back and listen within yourself, and Brother, just trust God for once! From that childlike faith which comes from becoming as a child and simply adnitting that, you don't need to understand everything...you just trust Daddy to take care of you! Hold His hand.

And He will quicken your spirit, then your spirit speaks to you, something will pop into your head. It will have the ring of truth to it. But your Carnal man will immediately argue and call BS...because the carnal mind can not ever receive the things of God, so it's ok to just tell your carnal mind to shut up for once and just continue to listen and meditate on that thought. When He reveals the truth to you, you will know it in every fiber of your being.

That's why most Christians have trouble hearing the still small voice of God. You don't hear it audibly, but you hear it in your heart, you know it. But then they let their carnal man talk them into believing that wasn't God. Oh that was just me thinking da da da. But wait! Did it answer your question? Does it agree with scripture? Yes it does. So...that was God!

It's at this point that a peace comes upon you. That's God saying, well of course that's true! and embracing this moment of truth will bring a few things with it. First is the truth itself. Second is some growth in your spirit. Third is an increased faith. Fourth is God's interest in you in suddenly heightened and He wants more conversation with you! You just asked Him a question and actually listend for once in your life! When we draw closer to God, He will draw closer to us. Fifth is an establishment within your heart that you are allowing yourself to be led...by the spirit! Which is a demonstration of faith in God's truth and ownership of you, of the reality of His Lordship over us, which gives God glory and honor and makes those in Heaven rejoice!

So you continue to talk with God. You continue each day reading His word and approaching Him in spirit. My experience has been such to give me the impression that, when we take one step toward sGod, that God takes 3 steps towards us.

But then you know what to look out for? Whoops, I didn't do my reading today, I was too busy and then too tired after...God teaches us to: pray without ceasing and study the scriptures daily. And when you don't, then you are taking control of your life again and turning away from God, allowing your carnal mind to make the decisions. And just as when we draw closer to God, He draws closer to us, If we draw away then He will draw away also and not interfere with our free will. So you no longer will feel as many quickenings of the spirit and the carnal man begins talking crap againand the enemy will throw more and more distractions at you with the agenda of not ever taking the time to read and pray any more, then faith wanes.

So if you never take a chance and look to the unseen like scripture tells us to do and continue to demand total carnal understanding before you will believe or you will reject the truth...I dunno what else to say to you? But don't believe me! Trust in God yourself. Have some faith in what and who your God is aside from your carnal mind like scripture says to do, and that is learning to simply trust Him.

With the mouth confession is made unto salvation, right? Try saying, I trust you Jesus and declaring this truth in your life out loud every day. Vocal expression and witness of trust and faith have a profound effect upon manifesting our GOD in your life and upon this earth. So...ask Him! From your spirit. We are able to "know" things without understanding, if you pay attention and by an act of your will tell the carnal mind to shut up while your will consciously focuses through the spirit ask God, and open yourself to receive it to your spirit. Focus, Trust, Open, Receive, Know. Allow your spirit to be in the dominant position within yourself. Look to the unseen and trust.

Oh and, do fasten your seat belt, lol.

 

[eddif]

John 6:63 kjv
63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Oxygen is part of the air we breathe. The lungs seek the oxygen.

The born again person is given understanding.

The second Adam became a quickening spirit. Christ in us the hope of glory.
Colossians 1:27 kjv
27. To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

eddif

 

[Edward]

Some nerve networks in us process thoughts. Those thoughts are spirit; especially dreams and visions from God.

The carnal mind can process evil thoughts if led by the evil one.


At the resurrection christians become immortal and uncorruptable. If their name is written in the lambs book of life they go to heaven for eternity.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I wonder if our spirit resides in our blood? Scripture says, don't drink the blood, pour it out for the life is in the blood.

Without the spirit, the body is dead. The spirit goes back to God it says. and what's one of the fastest ways to die? Bleeding out.

And now, on top of that, I saw a video recently that scientist now wonder if blood is actually made out of congealed light...I kid you not, they said this.

That makes me wonder if our blood congealed at the fall of man. So perhaps it stopped being able to shine through us because it became damaged and congealed.

God is a Spirit, and is clothed in light. We happen to be made in God's image and likeness. We are Spirit beings, clothed in light (once born again of the Spirit!)...so let us go out and let our light so shine before men...

:wink

 

[Edward]

The born again person is given understanding.

Yes Sir, Brother. An understanding which surpasses all understanding. The (Holy) Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and our spirit talks to us!

Some will call it intuition or conscience. But this is our unseen God speaking to us. Can I prove it in a laboratory? No. But I know? Yes. I speak that I do know regardless. Spooky thing that spiritual world, lol.

We are given understanding, but it requires our participation! We must seek the truth in spirit. He who seeks, finds. He who knocks, it shall be opened to him.

 

[Edward]

that doesn't make them the same being.

Why not?

When that legion of 2000 demons took over that man, were they not one with him in spirit?
Do you have a family, wife, kids? Are you not one in spirit?
God says we are called to be in the body of Christ, He is the Head. So we are not one with Him?

I don't think you give any credence to your knowledge of the spiritual realm and how it works because you don't believe in it. But what's stopping you from trusting God?

We all see through a glass darkly. But one should be able to admit, hey I don't know it all yet. So how can you possibly say the three are not one?

Teach me about the spiritual realm bro. I'm listening. The truth will be self evident.

 

[eddif]

I wonder if our spirit resides in our blood? Scripture says, don't drink the blood, pour it out for the life is in the blood.

Without the spirit, the body is dead. The spirit goes back to God it says. and what's one of the fastest ways to die? Bleeding out.

And now, on top of that, I saw a video recently that scientist now wonder if blood is actually made out of congealed light...I kid you not, they said this.

That makes me wonder if our blood congealed at the fall of man. So perhaps it stopped being able to shine through us because it became damaged and congealed.

God is a Spirit, and is clothed in light. We happen to be made in God's image and likeness. We are Spirit beings, clothed in light (once born again of the Spirit!)...so let us go out and let our light so shine before men...

:wink

Covid may have answered your question. mRNA is in the blood. Messages are carried by blood, as well as nutrients, oxygen, hormones..,,,

A lot above my redneck brain. The heart moves everything where it needs to be.

Spirit of mind is a scripture. Spirit moves ideas just as heart moves blood. We are not to speak against the spirit.

rddif

 

[JLB]

The "our spirit" is the breath of life from God.

Man's spirit was created or "formed" by God.

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

Man is a spirit, created in the image of God.

God is Spirit.

God created angels who are sons of God and they are spirit's as well.

We as son's of God are spirit's who dwell in a temporary physical body that will one day be transformed into a permanant spiritual body that will never die, in which we will become like the angels as sons of God.


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36

God is Spirit
Angels are spirits
Man is a spirit created in the image of God.



That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


JLB

 

[eddif]

Yes Sir, Brother. An understanding which surpasses all understanding. The (Holy) Spirit bears witness with our spirit, and our spirit talks to us!

Some will call it intuition or conscience. But this is our unseen God speaking to us. Can I prove it in a laboratory? No. But I know? Yes. I speak that I do know regardless. Spooky thing that spiritual world, lol.

We are given understanding, but it requires our participation! We must seek the truth in spirit. He who seeks, finds. He who knocks, it shall be opened to him.

I like Peter as an example of our participation.
One minute Jesus told Peter flesh and blood has not fineness this to you, but our Father in Heaven ( nice hug)
Three verses or so later Jesus says get the behind me Satan (swat).

He leads us by rod and staff.

eddif

 

[Cooper]

No one said He isn't. The issue is that people don't understand what the word God means and so they conflate Jesus and the Father saying there is one God and then try to somehow make them both the same being. God is a title, not a name. We call the Father God and people use it like a name. Just like we call someone the President. America has had 46 Presidents. We call all of them President yet no one argues that they are all one being. When we say "the" President we are referring to a particular one. The current one. The word God is a title for Deity. The Father is Deity. Obviously if He begets a Son the Son is Deity. However, that doesn't make them the same being. This is where people equivocate. They go from using the word God as a title to using it as a name for the ultimate being and in doing so attempt to make the Father and the Son the same being. This concept is flatly refuted in Scripture over and over and over and over. Paul talks about the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. Obviously the ultimate God cannot have a God. If He did, He's not the ultimate God. Jesus has a God, the Father does not. The Father is the ultimate God. When the Scriptures say there is one God, it is being used in this sense of supreme authority. It is not denying the Deity of Christ. It is simply affirming the absolute superiority of the Father above all. That's why this idea of three coequal persons doesn't work. The Scriptures flatly refute it.

Jesus, is “God with us.” In the beginning, he was the “Word” who created heaven and earth, and is the ONE God with us, making your comment about his name and the many presidents irrelevant.

As the creator of the very environment in which we live with light and all the elements he created, it was easy for God to become like us. In this way he provided an entry into the Kingdom of God, from which Adam and Eve were banished.

If people want proof of God, they only need to look at Jesus, who came down from heaven's glory and is now preparing a place for us. This is something only God can do and if we let Jesus into our hearts, believing in him, we have God with us. I wish God's blessing, the blessing of Jesus Christ, on us all. Amen.

 

[Butch5]

Jesus, is “God with us.” In the beginning, he was the “Word” who created heaven and earth, and is the ONE God with us, making your comment about his name and the many presidents irrelevant.

As the creator of the very environment in which we live with light and all the elements he created, it was easy for God to become like us. In this way he provided an entry into the Kingdom of God, from which Adam and Eve were banished.

If people want proof of God, they only need to look at Jesus, who came down from heaven's glory and is now preparing a place for us. This is something only God can do and if we let Jesus into our hearts, believing in him, we have God with us. I wish God's blessing, the blessing of Jesus Christ, on us all. Amen.

The only thing irrelevant here is the nonsensical statements you're making. You're just cherry picking Scripture

 

[jaybo]

Some may have. It doesn't make correct. And it is their opinion. Unless of course God has personally given them their information. Of course we'd need to see proof. What about those that are refuted by Scripture, are they above reproach also?

That is simply your opinion!