Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Hopeful]

Greetings, Hopeful.

Not sure what form you are saying He would have taken before the world began, but the primary purpose of this thread is to defend against accusations the Lord Jesus Christ is not Divine. If we are agreed on that, then my primary concern has been addressed. Yours would be a secondary discussion.

God bless, and thanks for the response : )
- H

I was simply agreeing with You that the Word was divine as Father is divine.
But I also feel that when the Word was made flesh, He was without some of the divinity He once possessed before taking on the flesh.
While in the flesh, He didn't have all the powers His Father in heaven had.
Does that mean He wasn't divine on earth?
In a sense, He wasn't.

 

[Hopeful]

There are problems with that assumption. The Jesus who was as a word not a being.
First is in Genesis
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

Second there is the incarnation.
Only a body was prepared for Jesus
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

The Jesus who was,(His spirit), was in that body.
"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

The Jesus who was, was the Word.

 

[Hopeful]

There are problems with that assumption. The Jesus who was as a word not a being.
First is in Genesis
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

Second there is the incarnation.
Only a body was prepared for Jesus
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

The Jesus who was,(His spirit), was in that body.
"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

The "us" of Gen 1:26 were God the Father and the Word.

 

[Hopeful]

What was your thought repeating the scripture I already gave?

You tried to use Matt 24:36 to show that Jesus knew everything, when the scripture said He didn't.

 

[Hopeful]

Is Jesus no longer the word today?

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

He in whatever form He was before the foundation of the world and in the form He will return in has and always will be Divine/

Good question.
I feel that instead of there being the Word anymore, now there is Jesus Christ.
We don't pray to God in the name of the Word.
The Word morphed into something new when He took on skin and bones.
Otherwise, the trinitarians would be worshipping 4 Gods

 

[Hopeful]

Please show us this with the scripture that says this.
Being fully God and fully man in order to relate to man in human form there were no deficiencies found in Him as again, He has always been Divine being Alpha and Omega.

I use Heb 4:15 to illustrate my point..."For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Divinity took on the mere mortal needs and problems of everyday men.
The Divine don't need to eat.

 

[JLB]

The "us" of Gen 1:26 were God the Father and the Word.

What about the Spirit?

 

[Hopeful]

What about the Spirit?

It is written..."God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)
The Spirit is God, in Gen 1:26.

 

[Randy]

The "us" of Gen 1:26 were God the Father and the Word.

Jesus-"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

He was/is a being. He still is the word of the Father.

If you see Him as a being we are on the same page.

 

[Corn Pop]

The first and the last.

Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 1:17-18

 

[Corn Pop]

Isaiah 42:8

John 17:5

 

[Hopeful]

Jesus-"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

He was/is a being. He still is the word of the Father.

If you see Him as a being we are on the same page.

Do you see the Word as a being?

 

[for_his_glory]

You tried to use Matt 24:36 to show that Jesus knew everything, when the scripture said He didn't.

I believe Jesus knows when the end will be, but yet does not know the day or hour God will send Him

 

[for_his_glory]

Good question.
I feel that instead of there being the Word anymore, now there is Jesus Christ.
We don't pray to God in the name of the Word.
The Word morphed into something new when He took on skin and bones.
Otherwise, the trinitarians would be worshipping 4 Gods

John12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

The word is God and has never morphed into something new. His word has always been the light as Jesus is the light/life of God's word in what he taught while being here on earth.

 

[for_his_glory]

I use Heb 4:15 to illustrate my point..."For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Divinity took on the mere mortal needs and problems of everyday men.
The Divine don't need to eat.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

This is speaking about Jesus who sits at the right hand of the Father who while here on earth was also tempted as we are as he had to relate to the infirmities of humanity, just like when He was baptized by John the Baptist in order to relate to humanity, but yet without sin.

 

[for_his_glory]

The "us" of Gen 1:26 were God the Father and the Word.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Do you not yet comprehend that Jesus is the life, light and word of God, only come in the form of flesh in order to relate to the humanity of man?

 

[Randy]

Do you see the Word as a being?

I see Jesus as a being.
and I would state the Son who was, His spirit, was in the tent of the "body" God prepared for Him.

 

[Randy]

The "us" of Gen 1:26 were God the Father and the Word.

No such distinction is found in Gen. The point I'm making is in that beginning the Son was a being who John referred to as the Word.

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

And John also referred to the Jesus they saw and touched as the word of life as in the eternal life from the beginning. And the risen Lord is shown with the name of Word of God in Revelation. He hasn't changed.

The Son is a being regardless or not if John is using the term Word. He is shown to be with the Father in the beginning with all things made through Him. Clearly the craftsman at the Fathers side. For if all things were made through Him and for Him that speaks to the Father creating through the Son. Just as the Father spoke to us through the Son.

And that's Paul's creed
From the Father through the Son
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Jesus is before all things. He didn't begin in Mary's womb. So the Son who was, His Spirit, was in that body that God prepared for Him.

 

[Hopeful]

I believe Jesus knows when the end will be, but yet does not know the day or hour God will send Him

Which is it?
He knew, or He didn't know?
He said He didn't know.

 

[Hopeful]

John12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

The word is God and has never morphed into something new. His word has always been the light as Jesus is the light/life of God's word in what he taught while being here on earth.

The Word was/is God.
The "word" is spoken from the mouth, and in Jesus' case are spirit and life.
It is written..."It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

Do you believe the Word was a being?