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Jesus Is God: Part 1

WalterandDebbie said:
Ok, Years ago someone told me that same thing that Jesus is GOD and I had not search the scriptures then.
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I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed
 
Butch5 said:
I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed
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Good, recently a few years, while in the study with certain scriptures like Matthew 16:13-17.
 
Butch5 said:
I read the Scripture link.
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Ok, After Peter said: Thou art the Christ, The Son Of The Living God, then Jesus said:
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This tell me that Jesus Is The Son Of God on earth, a revelation from the Father.
 
WalterandDebbie said:
Ok, After Peter said: Thou art the Christ, The Son Of The Living God, then Jesus said:
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This tell me that Jesus Is The Son Of God, a revelation from the Father.
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He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.
 
JLB said:
No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

If kind begets after it’s own kind, what does that make Jesus?

God
Man
Other



Does God the Father beget something other than God?



JLB
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So then what is Jesus?
 
JLB said:
No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

If kind begets after it’s own kind, what does that make Jesus?

God
Man
Other



Does God the Father beget something other than God?



JLB
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Butch5 said:
He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

He hung bled and died, He was flesh and blood

Walter
 
Butch5 said:
I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed
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You may find at this link some extra biblical references cited as far back as 200 A.D. regarding the three are one. This site proved that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV regarding the 3 Witnesses in Heaven was originally scripture.

IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?

200 ADTertullian wrote "which three are one" based on the verse in his Against Praxeas, chapter 25.
250 ADCyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
350 ADPriscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 ADIdacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 ADAthanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
398 ADAurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 ADCouncil of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 ADSeveral orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in "Three Witnesses in Heaven"
B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in "The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
 
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