Jesus Is God: Part 1

[WalterandDebbie]

The problem with this post is that Jesus is talking to someone else. If that someone else is God, then how is Jesus?

Jesus was talking to His Father

 

[Butch5]

Jesus was talking to His Father

Exactly. He wasn't talking to Himself.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Exactly. He wasn't talking to Himself.

Butch5, Have you been following this thread? with each scripture?

Walter

 

[Butch5]

Butch5, Have you been following this thread? with each scripture?

Walter

No, I replied to the op.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

No, I replied to the op.

Ok, Years ago someone told me that same thing that Jesus is GOD and I had not search the scriptures then.

 

[Butch5]

Ok, Years ago someone told me that same thing that Jesus is GOD and I had not search the scriptures then.

I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed

Good, recently a few years, while in the study with certain scriptures like Matthew 16:13-17.

 

[Butch5]

Good, recently a few years, while in the study with certain scriptures like Matthew 16:13-17.

I'm not sure where you're going.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I'm not sure where you're going.

Did you read or open the link?

 

[Butch5]

Did you read or open the link?

I read the Scripture link.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I read the Scripture link.

Ok, After Peter said: Thou art the Christ, The Son Of The Living God, then Jesus said:
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This tell me that Jesus Is The Son Of God on earth, a revelation from the Father.

 

[Butch5]

Ok, After Peter said: Thou art the Christ, The Son Of The Living God, then Jesus said:
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

This tell me that Jesus Is The Son Of God, a revelation from the Father.

He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

Exactly

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Exactly

Acts 2:36​

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

 

[JLB]

He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

If kind begets after it’s own kind, what does that make Jesus?

God
Man
Other



Does God the Father beget something other than God?



JLB

 

[Butch5]

No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

If kind begets after it’s own kind, what does that make Jesus?

God
Man
Other



Does God the Father beget something other than God?



JLB

So then what is Jesus?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

If kind begets after it’s own kind, what does that make Jesus?

God
Man
Other



Does God the Father beget something other than God?



JLB

Butch5 said:
He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

He hung bled and died, He was flesh and blood

Walter

 

[Butch5]

Butch5 said:
He is the Son of God. He's not the Son of Himself.

He hung bled and died, He was flesh and blood

Walter

Agreed

 

[JLB]

So then what is Jesus?

God the Son; The Son of God

 

[Golgotha]

I've searched the Scriptures. I've also studied church history. The Trinity concept that is espoused today comes from the 5th century, not the Bible. The idea that there is one God who consists of three persons first appears around 450 AD. In the Athanasian Creed

You may find at this link some extra biblical references cited as far back as 200 A.D. regarding the three are one. This site proved that 1 John 5:7 in the KJV regarding the 3 Witnesses in Heaven was originally scripture.

IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV?

200 AD	Tertullian wrote "which three are one" based on the verse in his Against Praxeas, chapter 25.
250 AD	Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
350 AD	Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 AD	Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD	Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
398 AD	Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD	Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 AD	Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are: A) Vigilius Tapensis in "Three Witnesses in Heaven" B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.] C) Fulgentius in "The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]