I think this statement about Rom 9.22 is very important to know the Greek. One of the Top Greek scholars today is Dan Wallace of Dallas Seminary. He says that in Rom 9.22 the verb 'prepare' is to be understood as a Passive, not a Middle. But Dan is a Calvinist/Reformed believer. In this verse, without knowing the Greek, you would not see man's volition involved in the salvation process. I am as far removed from a Calvinist/Reformed position as there is.
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Sure, but again, that has nothing to do with my point, which was simply that in this particular case of "Holy Ghost," not knowing the Greek isn't the issue.
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And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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John 16:14
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
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But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
Philip 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
He resurrected in bodily form..He is the first..that would have a Glolified Human body.
and so that's where I agree with the article of the power of the resurrected body Of Christ.
The authority given to Him because He alone through the obedience of the father conquered death. HE TASTED DEATH FOR EVERYONE.
The access is through the Body of Christ the intermediator between God and man.
ok - my thought >His father's will was done. That is what Jesus came to do. Everything is made through Him, by Him, and for Him as in the beginning.
Another manifestation maybe?
And again who is the Spirit of truth, and why is He called that
Because I want you to give me an answer
I have a question about this scripture..been doing some searching.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams.
>>>He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Everything belongs to God
King James Version 1 Perter 1
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
agreed, sorry for the misunderstanding.
what is IDK?
I'm not following your reply. perhaps this is common practice on this site but it is unfamiliar to me. Also, your replies seem like some governmental bureaucrat who answers a question without really answering the question. I was hoping better from you.
An acronym for “I don’t know.”
Well your not going to listen so we agree to disagree.
You didn't provide one scripture that states Jesus would send His spirit or His ghost.
The scripture that speaks of the gift of God in question is cohesive in that it's proceeding from the Father and poured out through the Son in the Son's name.
This can not mean Jesus's ghost.
Father's promise=>In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit.
We will disagree.
It is of a persons mind but that is irrelevant to the gift of God in question.
I'm am free will. My will was involved with believing and receiving Christ.
How-He has always been the Son .The only begotten like to like Son of the Father. His spirit is not Deity. The Deity that was pleased to dwell in Him is and remains the Deity of the only unbegotten true God. His God and Father. Col 1:19. So in speaking of the nature found in the Son He has the Fathers nature (God) He is God the begotten.
God from true God. They are One.
Jesus was before the world was brought into existence. His spirit is not a mans spirit. His spirit depended and appeared in flesh and His mind spoke of things He saw and heard while being in the Fathers presence. He is the only eyewitness of God to appear in flesh.
God spoke to us in these last Days by His Son. -The Father/Deity living in Him doing His work.
God brought all things into existence by His Son. -The Father/Deity living Him doing His work.
They are one as Jesus testified. The "Fathers" works He performed testify that the Father is in Him and they are one.
As Jesus stated over and over He is Gods son.
He has always the Son. A Son who is Called mighty God but is not the Father. Hebrews 1 takes pain to contrast the superiority of His Sonship vs the angels of God and it states about the Son in the creation. About the Son...
He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”
But this does not negate God created by His Son as the very same writer states
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe
Again the Deity living in Jesus creating -The Father in Him with His spirit.
Yet none of this states Jesus's ghost was poured out. That's not in the NT. What is in the NT is that the Father sent the Spirit of truth, (His Spirit) in Jesus's name. My understanding and belief. I didn't find in the NT what you are proclaiming as truth in regard to the gift of God in question.
But you know Him for He lives with you and will be IN you.
Stated before Jesus was put to death in the flesh.
How can the Spirit that was living with the disciples at that time be Jesus's Ghost? And again the source of the gift given is the Father. If its Jesus's spirit He would have told us. He stated the Father would send the Spirit in His name.
“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10
It was the Son, God the Son who created the heavens and the earth.
It was the Spirit of Christ that spoke through the mouth of the prophets.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11
The Son always expresses the will of the Father by His word.
The WORD of God expressed the will of the Father through the mouth of the Old Testament prophets.
The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10
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Why are people so not nice...
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the body
the power of the resurrected body of Christ
Not sure why this matters- I already gave scriptures
He asked the father to restore the Glory that He had with Him before the world begin. What might that mean?
What His blood/ or other presented to God means for the world is def that we can now have access to the father. It was said somewhere in Hebrews that the earthly symbols were made after the heavenly.
We are given conquering power of Jesus who was God and man. Why? Posible answer. He arose from the dead in bodily form never to die again. This seems like something never done before in the world sense Jesus is the only begotton son. So this is conquering power for our bodies as our hearts are being transformed.
So either we get the fullness of Jesus which includes the power of His resurrected body or we don't.
So Randy let me see if I understand why you said God is the one that gives the Spirit?
Could it be that He gave His only begotton son to the world to be King as a Gift to men?
And if the scripture I provided about " He will pour out of His Spirit on all flesh" What is coming out of His Spirit that is to be given as a
gift? The Spirit of Holy Ghost power?We cant forget that that body prepared would be presented as a living sacrafice for the people but unto God. What that means to God only He can reveal.
So it wasn't merely His Spirit that was with man but His body that God would use. So we have the full form of Jesus in that the power to overcome this flesh, the world, and Satin.
And isn't that what Jesus did, so that we might too?
Everything is first made through Him as in the beginning. And if its made through Him and He is a gift from the Father, He is given to the world from the father. Why should everyone that believe (continually) in Him not perish? Because God gives those who look to His son and believes the Spirit of victory. Go make disciples of all nations baptizing them surrounding them in God's reality, His name, his presence, teaching them to do all that I commanded you and lo I will be with you until the end. ( my words my thoughts so don't quote )
Yes and who is the Spirit of truth? Is it another manifestation of God from God.
Where do the good Spirits proceed from? Recall every good and perfect gift comes from the Lord.
How can the Holyghost be the Spirit of truth Jesus conquered the world through obedience to the father.
These are my thoughts and can be corrected by scripture from those who speak in love. Always willing to learn from those who are also learners.
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Sorry I wasn't what you wanted!
thank you
Is that a question?
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Rhetorical
I do not appreciate negative comments on a Christian Forum. It makes what we speak about in vain.
peace to you
The Spirit that was with them before Jesus was crucified and would be in them is a body?? See you make no sense and certainly don't follow the testimony given as the Father will send the Spirit in Jesus's name. As shown from Acts 2 the Spirit Jesus sends He received from the Father. As Jesus stated, "I will ask the Father", and "He will send you.."
The testimony given is cohesive that The Spirit proceeds from the Father and is poured out through the Son.
He ascended to where He was before and He was shown to have the Fathers nature in that beginning with the Father as in God was the Logos. He sat down with His Father on His Fathers throne. Sovereign authority.
God indeed reconciled all things to "Himself" whether things in heaven or things on earth through Christs blood shed on the cross. Col 1:20
We have the divine nature in us in Jesus's name. The Spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit. Jesus and the believer in Him are One just as He and the Father are one.
We have been given fullness in Christ. Jesus was given all the fulness of the Deity of the only living unbegotten God the Father. Jesus the only begotten God or only like to like begotten Son of the Father who is before all things except His God and Father and all those things He is before God the Father brought into existence by, through and for Him. The Deity in the Son performing the Fathers works. That eternal life appeared in flesh on earth.The testimony is about Him and this is eternal life that one would come to know the only true God the Father and His Firstborn Son called Jesus Christ.
Col 2:9-10
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the headover every power and authority
That's what I read. It's very clear to me and is from the testimony of Jesus Himself. Jesus never stated He would send His Spirit or Ghost.
its written
John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life"
He will pour out His Spirit.And if the scripture I provided about " He will pour out of His Spirit on all flesh" What is coming out of His Spirit that is to be given as a
The Fathers promise
this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
So clearly we are in these last days. Added to that God spoke to us in these last days by His Son.
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I have not forgotten Christ's crucification and He purchased me by His blood for God.
It is written the One in us is greater than the one in the world.
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
God gives His Spirit in Jesus name just as Jesus stated. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is the one and same Spirit of truth. In the believer that same one Spirit is in the persona of Christ. The Spirit conveys the presence of Christ in those in the faith.
The Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God. The Spirit of truth. sent in Jesus's name. Hence the Spirit of Christ.
The Spirit proceeds from the Father as I read and is poured out through the Son.
God was before the world began hence His own Spirit was before Man was created. I don't follow your reasoning. Again the Fathers promise is that He would pour out His Spirit. Jesus stated the Father would send the Spirit in His name. Acts 2 states the Spirit Jesus sent he received from the Father.
I don't share your thoughts and beliefs in regard to the Spirit being Jesus's ghost.
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