Jesus is not YHVH

[NeutralZone]

My study of the scriptures has led me to these verses.

• Jesus is YHWH, The Lord God.

...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13

JLB:

What you persist in believing and what scripture says are two entirely different matters. Titus 1:4 clearly identifies the one identified as "GOD" as being none other than the Father.

Titus 1:4 -- New International Version/NIV
"To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior."

Throughout the Judeo-Christian Bible, only the Father is ever referred to as YHWH aka JEHOVAH aka YAHWEH.

Isaiah 63:16 -- Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Yet You are our Father, even though Abraham does not know us and Israel doesn't recognize us. You, Yahweh, are our Father; from ancient times, Your name is our Redeemer."


Isaiah 63:16 -- Darby Bible Translation
"For thou art our Father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, Jehovah, art our Father; our Redeemer, from everlasting, is thy name."


Simply put, your insistence that Jesus is YHWH is based on your personal Trinitarian philosophy and not supported by scripture.

I will address your Revelation 22:12-13 verses and your Isaiah 44:6 verse in separate posts.


NeutralZone

 

[JLB]

JLB:

What you persist in believing and what scripture says are two entirely different matters. Titus 1:4 clearly identifies the one identified as "GOD" as being none other than the Father.

Titus 1:4 -- New International Version/NIV
"To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior."

Throughout the Judeo-Christian Bible, only the Father is ever referred to as YHWH aka JEHOVAH aka YAHWEH.

Isaiah 63:16 -- Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Yet You are our Father, even though Abraham does not know us and Israel doesn't recognize us. You, Yahweh, are our Father; from ancient times, Your name is our Redeemer."


Isaiah 63:16 -- Darby Bible Translation
"For thou art our Father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, Jehovah, art our Father; our Redeemer, from everlasting, is thy name."


Simply put, your insistence that Jesus is YHWH is based on your personal Trinitarian philosophy and not supported by scripture.

I will address your Revelation 22:12-13 verses and your Isaiah 44:6 verse in separate posts.


NeutralZone

• Jesus is YHWH, The Savior of Israel.

For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; Isaiah 43:3
...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13


Please read Titus 2:13, carefully. You seemed to overlook what Paul is saying.

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.


Is Jesus your Savior and Lord?

He is my Savior and Lord.

My Lord and Savior is God, the Lord God of the Bible.


JLB

 

[NeutralZone]

Jesus is YHWH, The Lord God, who is called the First and Last.
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Revelation 22:12-13

JLB

The title "Alpha and Omega" applies only to YHWH aka JEHOVAH aka YAHWEH the Father. This is made clear at Revelation 1:8, where that title first appears.

Revelation 1:8 -- Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty."


NeutralZone

 

[JLB]

Isaiah 63:16 -- Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Yet You are our Father, even though Abraham does not know us and Israel doesn't recognize us. You, Yahweh, are our Father; from ancient times, Your name is our Redeemer."


Isaiah 63:16 -- Darby Bible Translation
"For thou art our Father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, Jehovah, art our Father; our Redeemer, from everlasting, is thy name."

Doubtless You are our Father, Though Abraham was ignorant of us,
And Israel does not acknowledge us. You, O Lord, are our Father;
Our Redeemer from Everlasting is Your name.
Isaiah 63:16

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 9:6-7


JLB

 

[JLB]

JLB

The title "Alpha and Omega" applies only to YHWH aka JEHOVAH aka YAHWEH the Father. This is made clear at Revelation 1:8, where that title first appears.

Revelation 1:8 -- Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty."


NeutralZone

“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:12,20


The title Alpha and Omega refers to Jesus Christ, for He is the Lord God, YHWH, our great God and Savior. Titus 2:13


JLB

 

[JLB]

JLB

The title "Alpha and Omega" applies only to YHWH aka JEHOVAH aka YAHWEH the Father. This is made clear at Revelation 1:8, where that title first appears.

Revelation 1:8 -- Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty."


NeutralZone

7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:7-8

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Revelation 22:12

• Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.

• Jesus is the One who is Coming quickly.

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:20


JLB

 

[JLB]

Revelation 1:8 -- Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty."

Jesus appeared to Abraham, before He became flesh.

Here are His words.

When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1


JLB

 

[dianegcook]

Many believe that Jesus is YHVH.
For starters, Jehovah, Yahweh and LORD are translations of the four letters denoting God's name as I shall refer to as YHVH. Notice that in LORD, they are all caps. In your translations, when you see LORD in all CAPS, it could have been translated as Jehovah or Yahweh and in it's original language, it is represented as four characters I'll represent as YHVH. Do not mistake LORD for Lord as they are two different words with two completely different meanings within the OT writings.

Many who believe that Jesus is YHVH use John 1 as their proof texts.

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

This is a direct reference to Genesis 1
Genesis 1:1-3 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

We see that God created the heaven and the earth, and it is empty and void... etc. Please note that the text does not state how God created the heavens and earth, but only that God had created them. And after describing what God's heaven and earth was, God utters... and when God utters, we see His Word. And not only do we see his word, but God reveals that which was in him. And that which was in Him, was made known to His creation as light.

There is much we could say about this Light. Light is created and darkness is the absence of light. Light penetrates through the darkness for darkness is that which has not been created and that which has not been created, if full of chaos and un-comprehension. It is without order or form, and is void of structure. And God divided the light from the dark, and this was the first day. Light always brings clarity and Jesus is that Light.

Colossians 1:13-17 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

We see here in Paul's writing that Jesus is the image of the invisible God (YHVH). But for the sake of this OP, we shall surely see that "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth"
Paul not only states that Jesus is the Son of God, but he stays true to the account of Moses in Genesis 1. Hence, all things in heaven and in earth. Paul makes no claim that Jesus created either heaven or earth, but true to the creation account, God's word created all things in heaven and earth as he uttered them day by day.

YHVH is the Father, Jehovah
Joshua, is how you say Jesus, Yahshua
Now we have the name of Jehovah in the book of Esther
Jehovah had declared (Deut.31:16-18) that if His people forsake Him, He would hide His face from them.
Here this threatening was fulfilled, His name was hidden.
Of course, there is no J in Hebrew, we have JeHoVaH
J, which is Y, is YHVH.
The 4 Acrostics
Trying to make this short, so bear with me...
Est.1:20
In use of these terms, backward and forward, the English reader must bear in mind that Hebrew is read from right to left both in spelling and wording.
The first writing, I don't know how to do, because, I can't read or write chicken scratch, lol, Hebrew writing, Lol
The second which is this one is a transliteration.
Hi Vekal Hannashim Yittenu
YHVH
English
It, and all, the wives, shall give
Due, Respect , Our Ladies
LORD

2nd Acrostics, Jehovah is initiating His action, but the name spelt forward, because He is ruling and causing Esther to act.
Est.5:4
Yabo Hammelek Vehaman Hatton
YHVH
Let-come , the king, and -Haman, this day
Let Our Royal Dinner
LORD
Just an example, of the Massorah

 

[NeutralZone]

Jesus is YHWH, The Savior of Israel.
For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; Isaiah 43:3
...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13

Please read Titus 2:13, carefully. You seemed to overlook what Paul is saying.

JLB

I twice showed you the context to Titus 2:13. The context is found at Titus 1:4, and I quoted it twice from different Bible versions (the KJV and NIV).

The context at Titus 1:4 clearly identifies "God" as none other than the Father. Below is yet another rendition of Titus 1:4, from another Bible version.

Titus 1:4 -- English Standard Version
"To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior."

It is clear from Titus 1:4 that "God the Father" is not the same person as "Christ Jesus our Savior." You have opted to combine the two of them into a single person at Titus 2:13 where they are both mentioned again. You are reading the Bible with Trinitarian lenses, and you are deliberately ignoring Titus 1:4 where those two persons are clearly separate from one another.

NeutralZone

 

[NeutralZone]

Jesus appeared to Abraham, before He became flesh.
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:1

JLB:

The only person in the universe every referred to as Almighty God aka most high is Jehovah the Father.

Psalms 83:18 -- New American King James Version
"That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth."


NeutralZone

 

[dianegcook]

JLB:

The only person in the universe every referred to as Almighty God aka most high is Jehovah the Father.

Psalms 83:18 -- New American King James Version
"That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth."


NeutralZone

I think it is different roles but the same.
Like, Lucifer, Satan, the serpent, devil, all the same.
Yahshua means God salvation, saviour.
Jesus was God in the flesh.
Just as God has different names and roles.
And as JLB quoted, Isa.9:6
ELOHIM connects with creation, creator, indicates His relation to mankind.
Elohim is God the Son, the "living Word" with creature from to create John 1:1, Col.1:15-17, Rev. 3:14, and later in human form to redeem John 1:14

JEHOVAH
While Elohim is God as the creator of all things, Jehovah is the same God in covenant relation, like Jehovah-Jireh, Jehovah will see, or provide, Jehovah-shalom, Jehovah peace, and so forth.

JAH is Jehovah in special sense and relation.
Jehovah as having BECOME our salvation, He who Is, and was, and is to come.

 

[JLB]

The only person in the universe every referred to as Almighty God aka most high is Jehovah the Father.

No such name for God as Jehovah.

Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:

“Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.”
(“Jehovah,” Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)

Encyclopedia Americana:

“Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.”
(Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)

Encyclopedia Britannica:

“The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.”
(“Yahweh,” The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

“Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.”
(“Jehovah,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)

The New Jewish Encyclopedia:

“It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.”
(“Jehovah,” The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.)


The Jewish Encyclopedia states that YHWH is "the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel", and describes the form "Jehovah" as "a philological impossibility".


Yah - strong’s number 3050

The other part of this compound word is:

Hovah strong’s number 1943

1. ruin, disaster

Another form for 1943 is:

havvah strong’s number 1942

1. desire
   1. desire (in bad sense)
2. chasm (fig. of destruction)
   1. engulfing ruin, destruction, calamity

KJV (15) - calamity, 4; iniquity, 1; mischief, 1; mischievous, 1; naughtiness, 1; naughty, 1; noisome, 1; perverse thing, 1; substance, 1; wickedness, 3;


# 1942 is from the word - hava'

1. to fall

Hoveh on the other hand means: 1st person, male, present tense - to be i.e. I AM - though written with a double vav

In modern Hebrew grammar this matter is so serious and important, that the verb ‘to be’ (‘I am’) is not used in the present tense at all!

Usage of the Hebrew verb ‘HOVEH’ (I am) would imply referring to oneself as being the Almighty!

 

[JLB]

I twice showed you the context to Titus 2:13.

The context and direct reference to Jesus Christ as our great God and Savior is irrefutable.

Unless you just don't believe what is written.

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Titus 2:13

7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:7-8

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Revelation 22:12

All references to the The Lord God.

• Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.

• Jesus is the One who is Coming quickly.

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:20


JLB

 

[reba]

A reminder
Doctrinal Statement
We believe that the Bible is inspired by God in its entirety, and is without error in the original autographs, a complete and final written revelation from God.

We believe that there is only one God, who is eternal and immutable, and manifests Himself in three distinct Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[smaller]

You are reading the Bible with Trinitarian lenses, and you are deliberately ignoring Titus 1:4 where those two persons are clearly separate from one another.
NeutralZone

Trying to separate God always brings issues. JLB is right, that every showing/engagement of God in the O.T. is a showing of The Son, His Image, His Word, His Spirit. They are One so it's always problematic trying to divide them when there is no them plural in/as One.

Manifestations may be more accurate.

Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was also manifest in the O.T. via the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of annointing. What we have as "Word of God" in the O.T. is actually a manifestation of Jesus Christ, The Word. Regarding the speakings of the prophets Peter notes thusly:

1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Where we read of God as YHVH we are seeing the manifestation of God, The Word, Jesus Christ. There was no other God or separate God or different God in the O.T.

The Word of God in the O.T. is the same Word of God in the N.T.

 

[JLB]

Trying to separate God always brings issues. JLB is right, that every showing/engagement of God in the O.T. is a showing of The Son, His Image, His Word, His Spirit. They are One so it's always problematic trying to divide them when there is no them plural in/as One.

Manifestations may be more accurate.

Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was also manifest in the O.T. via the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of annointing. What we have as "Word of God" in the O.T. is actually a manifestation of Jesus Christ, The Word. Regarding the speakings of the prophets Peter notes thusly:

1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Where we read of God as YHVH we are seeing the manifestation of God, The Word, Jesus Christ. There was no other God or separate God or different God in the O.T.

The Word of God in the O.T. is the same Word of God in the N.T.

Where is the LIKE button when you need it!


JLB

 

[smaller]

Where is the LIKE button when you need it!


JLB

Well, I can't disagree with everything you say. If it's right to the scriptures, we should all salute. Agreement is a good thing between us.

 

[NeutralZone]

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 9:6-7

JLB:

If you are going to argue that Jesus is in a Trinity with YHWH/Jehovah/the Father, the last scriptures you want to quote are those that refer to Jesus' death and Jesus' birth. You cherry-picked the TITLES "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" from Isaiah 9:6-7, but you conveniently ignored the portion of that same scriptural account where it clearly says Jesus was getting ready to be born. Look at the words that I enlarged and bolded in light blue above: "For unto us a Child is born."

According to Christendom's Trinity, the Son is co-eternal with the Father. The scripture at Isaiah 9:6 contradicts the man-made, Trinitarian dogma which says the Son is eternal. An eternal person cannot be born.

DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL": "Eternal means not having a beginning or an end."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/eternal

In order to be born, it requires having a beginning.

According to Colossians 1:15, the pre-human Jesus was CREATED (firstborn) before he even showed up on earth.

Colossians 1:15 -- King James Version
"Who [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every CREATURE:"

A creature is a created being, as confirmed by the definition below from Merriam Webster Dictionary.


DEFINITION OF "CREATURE": 1. something created either animate or inanimate:"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creature


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[Brother Mike]

Trying to separate God always brings issues. JLB is right, that every showing/engagement of God in the O.T. is a showing of The Son, His Image, His Word, His Spirit. They are One so it's always problematic trying to divide them when there is no them plural in/as One.

Manifestations may be more accurate.

Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was also manifest in the O.T. via the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of annointing. What we have as "Word of God" in the O.T. is actually a manifestation of Jesus Christ, The Word. Regarding the speakings of the prophets Peter notes thusly:

1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Where we read of God as YHVH we are seeing the manifestation of God, The Word, Jesus Christ. There was no other God or separate God or different God in the O.T.

The Word of God in the O.T. is the same Word of God in the N.T.

This is Oneness, it's wrong. Oneness assumes Jesus is the literal spiritual word of some type of god machine. There is also seperation you claim is not there.

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(Heb 1:2 KJV)

Also 1 Tim 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh is a known KJV exclusive. This text only appears after the 4th century, when Trinity came into being. The KJV was good at changing text to support Trinity. It's in no known early text.

Latin Vulgate
et manifeste magnum est pietatis sacramentum quod manifestatum est in carne iustificatum est in spiritu apparuit angelis praedicatum est gentibus creditum est in mundo adsumptum est in gloria

Quod Manifestatum. He manifested.

However:
1Jn_4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

It was the Son that came in the flesh. The one that had always been with the Father.

Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

However, the Father did Call him God.
There is not one, but two.

Trinity never makes them one in scripture. It's a mystery of Christian faith.
Oneness is a confused mess invented in 1914

Jesus is one in the Father, be we are one in him. Don't make us the Father though.
The Word was made flesh, the only begotten of the Father. Just means what God spoke in Psalm came to pass, does not make Jesus some part of a word god system.
Act_13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jesus came from the spoke word, it came to pass, we are also born of the Word of God, but that don't make us the Father Either.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:6 KJV)

The mighty El, the KJV switched this. Jesus is the Father of eternity as we are born through him.

For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:6 YLT)
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Lord God performed that, crucified his son, Sent His son to the Earth.

Jesus was the image of His Father, the firstborn of many, has always been with the Father, is not some Word part of the Father or some strange morph of the Father.

Jesus has His own throne, is God the Son, is not His Father else we don't have an advocate. Is the King of Kings.

There is only one Lord God. The one that made everything, the One Jesus said is greater than him.

Jud_1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is only ONE Lord God, none like him, many like His image and in his god class, but none equal to.

Every single scripture must be taken into account and they all must match perfect.

Be blessed.

 

[JLB]

If you are going to argue that Jesus is in a Trinity

Please show me the post where I used the word "Trinity"?

DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL": "Eternal means not having a beginning or an end."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/eternal

Jesus is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last, which are title references to The Lord God of Israel, YHWH.

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Revelation 22:12-13


“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

Jesus says He is the First and Last. Jesus is the Truth.

Jesus is The Lord God, YHWH, our Redeemer and our King.

YHWH, the Lord God of Israel became flesh, and died on the cross for our sins.


This is the testimony of God the Father -

But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8


JLB