iLOVE
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See verse 9 what you have posted. These are unbelievers because they have been declared unrighteous.
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Edward
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Free, your post was as if it should be obvious where I am wrong, except that it isn't. I reread it and i still see it the way I see it. If you wont expound on your position any that perhaps its best just to drop it. I have no clue what's going through your head man.
And see verse 11.
But your post seems to say believers who have done any of these things (that's pretty much ALL of us) are stuck somewhere outside of where God lives.... doesn't it?
I never said I wouldn't expound. I was just hoping that before I did so, you would read the verse in context or at least post the context, which is why I asked.Free, your post was as if it should be obvious where I am wrong, except that it isn't. I reread it and i still see it the way I see it. If you wont expound on your position any that perhaps its best just to drop it. I have no clue what's going through your head man.
1John 2:18-27, 18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us--eternal life. 26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie--just as it has taught you, abide in him. (ESV)
From the context we see that John is speaking of antichrists, those who "were not of us." These were clearly teaching error and it would seem that that error was denying that Jesus is the Christ. Very notable then is verse 26--"I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you." We can then understand verse 27 as speaking about those who are the false antichrists that are trying to deceive. Since those to whom John is writing already "have been anointed by the Holy One" and know the truth, they have no need of any of these false teachers to teach them anything. It could also be understood as saying that since the audience already knew that Jesus was the Christ, they did not have need of anyone to teach them anything different.
Regardless, what we simply cannot take it to mean is a blanket statement that we don't need anyone to teach us, that we just need to rely on the Holy Spirit.
Going beyond that, we have John writing a letter to teach them. So to say that verse 27 is a blanket statement that we never have need of anyone to teach us, would have John contradicting himself. Beyond that we have the rest of the NT (and the OT of course), which all contain teaching in letters written by men. And even within them we have clear statements of God-given positions of leadership within the church, among which are pastors and teachers (1 Cor 12:28; Eph 4:11).
We also have passages such as this:
1 Tim 3:1-2, 1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, (ESV)
1 Tim 4:11-15, 11 Command and teach these things. 12 Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. 14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. 15 Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. 16 Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. (ESV)
2 Tim 4:3, For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (ESV)
Heb 5:12, For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, (ESV)
James 3:1, 1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. (ESV)
Etc. The idea that we need no one to teach us but the Holy Spirit comes up every once in a while in these forums, but it is clearly unbiblical. Throughout the NT alone we have several references to the need to be taught and that God has given some the gift of teaching. We have the books of the Bible which are all to teach us various things. This makes the authors of certain books, in particular the epistles, teachers. We have the biblical model of Jesus teaching the twelve, who then proceed to teach others, who then teach others, etc.
Not once are we ever told to go it alone and just rely on the Holy Spirit. That is actually a Gnostic idea, not a Christian one. If the early church, who understood the language and the context, were in need of teachers, how much more so are we in need of them today.
I'm not sure if anyone else has answered this, but it is a false gospel that basically teaches Christians should be wealthy and healthy if they have enough faith. Such false teachers take a grain of truth--that we are to ask God for help, in faith-- and turn the real gospel into something that grossly distorts what the Bible clearly teaches about the Christian life. It really is no gospel at all. And of course this has now been exported to places like Africa where it is having disastrous consequences, for the listeners, not the teachers.
iLOVE
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13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14 NASB
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Matthew 7:21-23 NASB
We learn in John 2:23-25 NLT that many believed in Him but Jesus did not commit to them because He knew they were fans only.
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jeff77
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So the prosperity gospel is more about having earthly treasures and being comfortable in this life? I suppose if that is most or all of what it teaches then that is a false gospel. What about using wealth to help those poor people in Africa to be more comfortable in this life? Is that wrong, or is it when the sole purpose of giving to the poor to show how God cares is wrong?
It is often done under the guise of helping others but really, when you see the places many of these prosperity teachers live, and how poor many of their followers are, it really seems as though it is done just for personal gain and greed. It is often said that if you aren't wealthy or are sick, you don't have enough faith. But that is patently false and unbiblical, and is often very damaging to the faith of those who are poor and sick.
Such ministries are also often deficient in teaching the necessary things of Scripture, like the actual gospel, and err in other things. It very much is as 2 Tim 4:3 says: "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions". (ESV)
Whenever I need a reminder that the prosperity gospel is completely false (which is rare if ever) I need only drive past the headquarters for TBN in Orange County, California. If you look up the words Gaudy, Opulent, and Excessive, you will see a picture of that building.
Guess what?
You're not getting one.
You can show Bible verses for at least something you've in this thread.
Until then, you get nothing more from me.
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YosefHayim
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Sorry, I had to cut it off when the speakers disqualified themselves in my eyes by laughing among themselves.
Of course the video is prejudiced, but to start laughing at your own cuteness says you aren't the least bit objective, or even trying to honestly evaluate the man.
Of course the video is prejudiced, but to start laughing at your own cuteness says you aren't the least bit objective, or even trying to honestly evaluate the man.
YosefHayim
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On top of the cross of the TBN logo is the “falling dove” which, in the occult, symbolizes destruction. The same image was used for Aleister Crowley’s O.T.O cult crest.
Perhaps the guys that own the media own them as well
YosefHayim
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Either I'm just nuts, or perhaps 2 Corinthians 11:14 fits here?
Looking at the big post, I might be leaning toward the former.
Danus
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Here is another link some might find informative on this topic. Personally I don't think Olsteen is dangerous for say, but HH has a good line on this problem in the world today. You'll have to listen to the audio on this link.
http://www.equip.org/audio/errors-joseph-prince-qa/
http://www.equip.org/audio/errors-joseph-prince-qa/
Interesting