John MacArthur: Distinguished Calvinist Preacher.

[jeremiah1five]

Redemption
Justification
Sanctification
Salvation
Glorification

Four completely different things all part of salvation

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Glorification:

Suffering required for glorification with Christ! Phil 1:29

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Thanks

Sorry for the confusion

You have a talent for contradicting Holy Writ and when called on it you post replies that evade and confuse the issue.
What does all those Scriptures have to do with your statement that all men will be redeemed?
Nothing.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

Besides you not understanding what sanctification is, the problem with this is Catholics think they become righteous by the works of their rituals and good deeds done by the grace of God. It is a works justification religion. The very works justification gospel condemned in scripture. They add the 'works done in grace' part to deceive people into thinking it's the gospel of grace taught in scripture.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23

No man is redeemed (forgiven of his sins - Colossians 1:14) until he believes in the gospel. Until then, even though forgiveness of sin is available to the whole world, the man who does not believe is not forgiven, but rather condemned because of his unbelief (John 3:18). So, no, not all men are redeemed (forgiven). Only those who believe are redeemed (forgiven).

 

[brightfame52]

jethro

No man is redeemed (forgiven of his sins - Colossians 1:14) until he believes in the gospel.

Thats not what Col 1:14 says,

In fact a person is redeemed by the death/blood of Christ and forgiven by the blood of Christ prior to them knowing anything about it. They find out about it when its preached to them Acts 13:38

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Everyone Christ shed His Blood for automatically have forgiveness of sins Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[donadams]

We trust in Jesus and the Apostle's word. What we reject is what the Catholic church says their word means, and the things they've added to them.

How do you know they have added to them?

We're not afraid of the Catholic church's demands that we submit to them and their claim that they are the one and only church. Centuries of born again, water baptized, Spirit filled, fruit bearing, non-Catholic Christians show us that the Catholic church is not the one and only church that must be attended and obeyed in order to be saved.

You can see the state of all these souls

How many men died who were not in the ark with Noah?
How many were saved cos they we on the ark?

 

[Scripture Says]

Dorothy mae said: What we do know is they will be more strictly judged....


Scripture Says: What you think your not a teacher on this website? Of course you are, your telling people what the word teaches.... were all teachers on here!

When paul was walking around and teaching in the streets you think he wasnt teaching then cause he's not in a building? If you dont wish to be a teacher then stop telling people what the bible means..... paul was a disciple we are disciples paul was a teacher we are teachers.. how is what you do different than paul? If paul is telling people what the bible means, what then are you doing different?

 

[Scripture Says]

The answer is the devil is cast out by the Holy Spirit.


John M believes and teaches that those who are baptized with the Holy Spirit and speak with tongues are operating by the devil.

IOW he believes and teaches others, that the spirit by which Christians who speak in tongues, and cast out devils, and lay hands on the sick for healing, is the devil.

Therefore, like the Pharisee’s in Jesus day, he is calling the Holy Spirit, the devil.




JLB

Scripture Says: remember the pharisees were watching in person the Holy Spirit in action. Just saying someone (people in general) laying hands on someone is of the devil isnt the same.

 

[Scripture Says]

Jethro said: No man is redeemed (forgiven of his sins - Colossians 1:14) until he believes in the gospel.
Scripture Says: Yep.....believes on his name.... because of the gospel

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How do you know they have added to them?

It's evident from simply reading the Bible that many of the Catholic church's beliefs and practices are not found in scripture.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You can see the state of all these souls

We have the Spirit within us with the fruit of the Spirit confirming his presence in us. The Catholic church is just another denomination that insists it's the one and only true church. Simple observation shows that not to be true.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think the Catholic Church is an example of how adding to scripture can have bad consequences. Not the only example of course. I’ve seen enthusiastic Calvinist individuals go in and on about how much they love God and scripture…

While still managing to do much in the community or even in their own congregations. Pentecostal people who got so caught up in feelings and miracles that they neglected the good news. Around here there’s also the issue of materialistic rather harsh Baptists…

It is what it is…

 

[donadams]

You have a talent for contradicting Holy Writ and when called on it you post replies that evade and confuse the issue.
What does all those Scriptures have to do with your statement that all men will be redeemed?
Nothing.

All men are redeemed in christ
Christ is the redeemer of mankind

The redemption of Christ makes justification (born again)possible

Justification makes sanctification possible

Ending in salvation for those who abide in Christ Jn 15:4 to the end Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13
Thanks

 

[jeremiah1five]

All men are redeemed in christ
Christ is the redeemer of mankind

The redemption of Christ makes justification (born again)possible

Justification makes sanctification possible

Ending in salvation for those who abide in Christ Jn 15:4 to the end Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13
Thanks

Now you are saying two things in opposition that "All men are redeemed in christ" and that "The redemption of Christ makes justification (born again) possible."
Which is it?

If all men are redeemed in Christ, then what is the rich man doing in hell?
If the redemption of Christ makes justification (born again) possible then that means that on the day Christ died on Calvary, He saved no one because His atonement doesn't apply UNTIL someone later believes.
Which is it?

 

[donadams]

Besides you not understanding what sanctification is, the problem with this is Catholics think they become righteous by the works of their rituals and good deeds done by the grace of God. It is a works justification religion. The very works justification gospel condemned in scripture. They add the 'works done in grace' part to deceive people into thinking it's the gospel of grace taught in scripture.

Who authority to decide the truth?
Who has authority to teach truth?
According to scripture?

 

[donadams]

No man is redeemed (forgiven of his sins - Colossians 1:14) until he believes in the gospel. Until then, even though forgiveness of sin is available to the whole world, the man who does not believe is not forgiven, but rather condemned because of his unbelief (John 3:18). So, no, not all men are redeemed (forgiven). Only those who believe are redeemed (forgiven).

You are confusing redemption with justification
Jn 1:29
Redemption makes justification possible

 

[jeremiah1five]

Who authority to decide the truth?
Who has authority to teach truth?
According to scripture?

I DO.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jn 14:25–26.

And He has said a great deal to me in my life as Christian.

 

[donadams]

It's evident from simply reading the Bible that many of the Catholic church's beliefs and practices are not found in scripture.

Maybe you have not found them yet, I did not know you were allowed to read scripture?

Would that not violate your doctrine of “the Bible is the only authority”!

“Bible alone” means just that, an unopened book on a table!
To open it would be adding to scripture:
To read it would be adding to scripture:
To interpret it would be adding to scripture:

Just Using an absurdity to illustrate the nature of a false doctrine!

 

[donadams]

We have the Spirit within us with the fruit of the Spirit confirming his presence in us. The Catholic church is just another denomination that insists it's the one and only true church. Simple observation shows that not to be true.

You can know by the spirit the state of souls who died hundreds of years ago, yet you don’t know the commandments of Christ from Matt 28:20 & acts 1:2?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Maybe you have not found them yet, I did not know you were allowed to read scripture?

Would that not violate your doctrine of “the Bible is the only authority”!

“Bible alone” means just that, an unopened book on a table!
To open it would be adding to scripture:
To read it would be adding to scripture:
To interpret it would be adding to scripture:

Just Using an absurdity to illustrate the nature of a false doctrine!

What authoritative doctrine does the Catholic church have that is not in the Bible? Hopefully, someday a Catholic insider will answer this and not evade the question so we can see in practice that they do not agree with sola scriptura and that they do not stick solely to the Bible.

 

[donadams]

Now you are saying two things in opposition that "All men are redeemed in christ" and that "The redemption of Christ makes justification (born again) possible."
Which is it?

If all men are redeemed in Christ, then what is the rich man doing in hell?
If the redemption of Christ makes justification (born again) possible then that means that on the day Christ died on Calvary, He saved no one because His atonement doesn't apply UNTIL someone later believes.
Which is it?

Sorry it’s confusing

We have no part in the redemption, it is Christ who redeemed man from the curse, by his life, death (blood) resurrection obtained mercy.

We must accept his redemption and doctrine he revealed, (faith & baptism) to be justified and born again.

Then a life of sanctification, (prayer, alms, fasting, sacraments, suffering, practicing the virtues of Jesus Christ)

Then we enter into salvation when we die in Christ. Jn 15:4 abide Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13 endure to the end.

Even a born again Christian can still be lost by rejecting Christ in apostasy or unrepentant sin, the sin against the HS is to die unrepentant.


Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Rom 5:15-17

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.