judgement seat of Christ

[GodsGrace]

There is one Judgement seat of Christ for His people.

At this Judgement, His people will be judged "according to their deeds", whether "good" or "evil".

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29


Paul, in His letters, has much to say about this Judgement as it is referred to by the specific phrase that "hard links" with this Judgement.

That language is: "Inherit the Kingdom".

The Day we inherit the kingdom of God, or not.

Paul warned that the end result of living the Christian life according to the flesh, rather than according to His Spirit within us, would be "not inheriting the Kingdom of God".


Jesus established for us, what this phrase, "inherit the kingdom of God" means:

• Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34

Those who do not inherit the kingdom of God, will hear these terrifying words on that Day -

• “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41

So when Paul writes to the Church, and warns them of the consequences of "practicing the works of the flesh", and uses this phrase of "not inheriting the kingdom of God", we know that he is referring to this Day, when all His people, will stand before Him, to be Judged.


16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21

Paul gives us the remedy for not practicing the works of the flesh.

• I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

and again


9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

and again

3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:3-7

• Therefore do not be partakers with them.

Having a part in God's kingdom or not will be determined on the Day of Judgement.


Paul writes to the church in Rome -

• the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.

2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
Romans 2:2-11

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
• but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

JLB

Yes. I believe we agree.

This great white throne judgement confuses me and leads some to believe there are two judgements.

It seems this is found in revelation.
Unless any verse in revelation can be verified by other verses either by John in his gospel or his letters, or other writers, I tend not to give the same importance as the rest of scripture because a lot of it is imagery that John was blessed to have due to his great love for Jesus, but imagery that is difficult to translate into common language.

It reminds me of Paul's vision of heaven and how he could not describe it.

Perhaps the great white throne judgement falls into this category.

I see only one judgement.

 

[GodsGrace]

It can be confusing. There is only one resurrection but two destinies as one is to eternal life with the Father and the other to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, John 5:28, 29. There is one judgement, but two types that are judged as one being those in Christ and the other being those who have rejected Him as at the white throne judgement the books are only opened including the Book of Life and all will be judged, Rev 20:11, 12.

No one is in heaven for when we physically die it is only our breath/spirit that returns to God who gave it, John 3:13; , Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.
Hell is not a place of damnation, but only the grave where dead bodies lay until all (saints and sinners) will hear Christ calling them from their graves as all will come forth unto judgement, John 5:28, 29.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell

Death and hell/grave are the second death that will be cast into the lake of fire as there will be no more need of them, Rev 20:13, 14.

Hope this helps

Yes. Only one Resurrection.
How many judgements?
One or two?
The bema seat and the great white throne judgement makes it sound like two...

 

[GodsGrace]

Judgement is a very tough subject. Branch out from this thread subject to get a much broader view.
I Corinthians 6 May help.
Then read Romans 1&2 again (15 or 20 times).

About the fire.
It consumes evil
But
It purifies us.

Gold is made pure by consuming the dross.

Redneck
eddif

I don't find judgement confusing.
I find TWO judgements confusing...

 

[Douglas Summers]

But JLB,
He is using his Passages in context to clearly teach what scripture teaches and you are tearing, ripping scripture from their context to prove what you think.

AMEN.

 

[Jim Parker]

Having a part in God's kingdom or not will be determined on the Day of Judgement.

Yes, on THE (one and only) day of judgment.

 

[JLB]

AMEN.

Can you show me specifically what passages I have taken out of context ?


JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

Yes. Only one Resurrection.
How many judgements?
One or two?
The bema seat and the great white throne judgement makes it sound like two...

Hi wondering, The Scripture tell of two resurrections. The first resurrection is over a period of time and is the resurrection of life. There has already been a partial resurrection of OT saints and is the first part of the resurrection of life (Matt. 27:52-53). The second resurrection is the resurrection of Judgment. Those in the first resurrection have already been judged at the cross...they are believers. The Church will be judged for their obedience for rewards when we meet the Lord in the air. They are already saved but can lose their rewards or crowns (1 Cor. 3:12-15) There are seven judgments in the Scriptures. It is late. I will give you the Scriptures tomorrow and you can pray that the Lord will open up the Scriptures to you so you can decide for your self....If you want me too.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Can you show me specifically what passages I have taken out of context ?


JLB

No I can't JLB, for you believe what you teach. And like me, you will be responsible for it before the Lord.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes. Only one Resurrection.
How many judgements?
One or two?
The bema seat and the great white throne judgement makes it sound like two...

It is a judgement with two types of judgement as the books are opened including the book of life and the sheep are judged for their good works they did unto the Lord and are given eternal life with the Father and the goats are judged and found guilty of rejecting God and His Son Jesus and their reward is eternal damnation as they are cast into the lake of fire.

 

[for_his_glory]

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31-34

Actually, this scripture says "as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats"

Look at the context leading up to this statement.

Jesus plainly prefaced this teaching by this opening statement.

• “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.

14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.

20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’

24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’

26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.

29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. Matthew 14-32

• And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

JLB

You can quote these Matthew scriptures as many times as you like, but yet you ignore the fact that the books are not opened until the time of the Great White Throne judgement when Christ separates the sheep from the goats and the books are opened for judgement as Christ will judge the good works of the sheep as they have done all unto the Lord and God will judge those who have rejected Him and Jesus and will be cast into the lake of fire. These that are in front of the throne are all those who were asleep in their graves that Christ will call to rise up and face their judgements

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Notice in vs. 11 that heaven and earth have already fled away from the face of God at this time as there is no more place for them. I'm not sure if it's a literal throne or symbolic,(leaning towards symbolic) but it is in the air according to 1 Thessalonian 4:16, 17 as we will meet Christ in the air and be with Him forever. Heaven and earth passes away after all are called by Christ from their graves, John 5:28, 29, as death and hell will then be cast into the lake of fire as there will no longer be any need of them.

Vs 12 says it is the dead, small and great, that stand before the throne as the books are opened, including the book of life. This shows me that those who are alive being those who are of Christ and those who have rejected Him and the Father have already been judged to eternal life with the Father or eternal damnation waiting for all the dead to be judged before God ushers down the New Jerusalem.

1 Corinthians 15:51 is speaking of those who are of Christ that are still alive at His coming as it reads we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed at the last trumpet after it sounds, but not until those who sleep in the grave that are of Christ are raised incorruptible and then we who are alive will be changed to incorruptible as we join them.

We know by reading John 5:28 and 29 that the sheep and the goats that are asleep in their graves will be raised up at the same time and will be apart of the Great White Throne judgement according to Rev 20:11-13.

One resurrection, one judgement of eternal life with the Father or the lake of fire as all the dead (sheep and goats) will be at the Great White Throne judgement as Christ will then give us our inheritance and crowns for the faithful works we did unto the Lord and the goats will receive their reward of eternal damnation being cast into the lake of fire for unfaithful unrighteous acts.

 

[Jim Parker]

It is a judgement with two types of judgement as the books are opened including the book of life and the sheep are judged for their good works they did unto the Lord and are given eternal life with the Father and the goats are judged and found guilty of rejecting God and His Son Jesus and their reward is eternal damnation as they are cast into the lake of fire.

Actually, at Mat 25:31-46, the righteous are deemed to be so because they showed mercy and the condemned are deemed to be so because they did not show mercy.
The righteous acted like the gracious and merciful God and the condemned acted like the graceless and merciless devil.

There are only two outcomes of the one judgment identified anywhere in the NT. The are: Eternal life and the 2nd death. (which is also appears to be eternal)

The "rewards" mentioned at 1 Cor 3:12-15, are not indicated as to be determined in some separate judgment. Verse 13 says "each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it,". The words "the Day" is a reference to the Day of the Lord; the day when He comes again, the day when the graves and the seas give up the dead and the Lord will judge all of mankind.

To generate more judgments where they are not clearly stated is to go beyond what is written. (1Cor 4:6) It is adding to the scriptures things that are not taught by the writings of the NT or the oral teaching of the apostles.

One resurrection, one judgement of eternal life with the Father or the lake of fire as all the dead (sheep and goats) will be at the Great White Throne judgement as Christ will then give us our inheritance and crowns for the faithful works we did unto the Lord and the goats will receive their reward of eternal damnation being cast into the lake of fire for unfaithful unrighteous acts.

AAAAA-Men!

iakov the fool

 

[JLB]

You can quote these Matthew scriptures as many times as you like, but yet you ignore the fact that the books are not opened until the time of the Great White Throne judgement

Why would you say I'm ignoring the great white throne Judgement?

We are discussing the Judgement seat of Christ.

All I did was show the context of Jesus teaching about that Day.

Do you see in the parable of talents that it was His people that He was referring to, and not His people vs the world of sinners?


JLB

 

[JLB]

No I can't JLB, for you believe what you teach. And like me, you will be responsible for it before the Lord.

No you can't point out any scriptures I took out of context, because I believe what I teach?

So you really don't know if I took any scriptures out of context?

JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

No you can't point out any scriptures I took out of context, because I believe what I teach?

So you really don't know if I took any scriptures out of context?

JLB

I could give you Scriptures, but like I said, you believe what you teach, and all it would do is disrupt the brotherhood. I will teach what I have been taught, then you can compare, I'm not going to debate. When I post the teachings of Scripture, you can compare them with yours and then choose.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why would you say I'm ignoring the great white throne Judgement?

We are discussing the Judgement seat of Christ.

All I did was show the context of Jesus teaching about that Day.

Do you see in the parable of talents that it was His people that He was referring to, and not His people vs the world of sinners?


JLB

I know this is about the judgement seat of Christ and His people, but also when they will receive their inheritance, which will be at the great white throne judgement as the sheep will be separated from the goats and the books will be opened including the book of life and all will be judged out of those books.

 

[for_his_glory]

Actually, at Mat 25:31-46, the righteous are deemed to be so because they showed mercy and the condemned are deemed to be so because they did not show mercy.
The righteous acted like the gracious and merciful God and the condemned acted like the graceless and merciless devil.

There are only two outcomes of the one judgment identified anywhere in the NT. The are: Eternal life and the 2nd death. (which is also appears to be eternal)

The "rewards" mentioned at 1 Cor 3:12-15, are not indicated as to be determined in some separate judgment. Verse 13 says "each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it,". The words "the Day" is a reference to the Day of the Lord; the day when He comes again, the day when the graves and the seas give up the dead and the Lord will judge all of mankind.

To generate more judgments where they are not clearly stated is to go beyond what is written. (1Cor 4:6) It is adding to the scriptures things that are not taught by the writings of the NT or the oral teaching of the apostles.

AAAAA-Men!

iakov the fool

The second death is not about people, but of death and hell (grave) only being cast into the lake of fire for there will no longer be any need of them, Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Like I have been saying all along, there is only one time/day of judgement when Christ returns and that will occur at the great white throne judgement when all the books are opened including the book of life and then all will be judged for their works whether they were good or evil. One judgement two different destinies.

 

[JLB]

I know this is about the judgement seat of Christ and His people, but also when they will receive their inheritance, which will be at the great white throne judgement as the sheep will be separated from the goats and the books will be opened including the book of life and all will be judged out of those books.

please post the scriptures concerning the white throne Judgement that says -
"Christ and His people, but also when they will receive their inheritance, which will be at the great white throne judgement as the sheep will be separated from the goats"


JLB

 

[JLB]

I could give you Scriptures, but like I said, you believe what you teach, and all it would do is disrupt the brotherhood. I will teach what I have been taught, then you can compare, I'm not going to debate. When I post the teachings of Scripture, you can compare them with yours and then choose.

I asked you to show me where I quoted scripture out of context, since that was your claim.

I did not ask you to give any scriptures.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

please post the scriptures concerning the white throne Judgement that says -
"Christ and His people, but also when they will receive their inheritance, which will be at the great white throne judgement as the sheep will be separated from the goats"


JLB

I already did in post #150 you need the whole of scripture to understand the great white throne judgement and who will stand before the throne

 

[Papyrus_dust]

I don't find judgement confusing.
I find TWO judgements confusing...

There are more than one in all scripture.

Question: "What are all the different judgments in the Bible?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/all-the-judgments.html Love this site.

.....Judgments to occur in the future:

The judgments of the tribulation period (Revelation 6—16). These terrible judgments are pictured as seven seals opened, seven trumpets blown, and seven bowls poured out. God’s judgment against the wicked will leave no doubt as to His wrath against sin. Besides punishing sin, these judgments will have the effect of bringing the nation of Israel to repentance.

The judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10). Resurrected (and raptured) believers in heaven will be judged for their works. Sin is not in view at this judgment, as that was paid for by Christ, but only faithfulness in Christian service. Selfish works or those done with wrong motives will be burned up (the “wood, hay, and stubble” of 1 Corinthians 3:12). Works of lasting value to the Lord will survive (the “gold, silver, and precious stones”). Rewards, which the Bible calls “crowns” (Revelation 3:11) will be given by the One who is “not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him” (Hebrews 6:10).

The judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31–46). After the tribulation, the Lord Jesus will sit in judgment over the Gentile nations. They will be judged according to their treatment of Israel during the tribulation. This judgment is also called the judgment of the sheep and the goats because of the imagery Jesus uses in the Olivet Discourse. Those who showed faith in God by treating Israel favorably (giving them aid and comfort during the tribulation) are the “sheep” who will enter into the Millennial Kingdom. Those who followed the Antichrist’s lead and persecuted Israel are the “goats” who will be consigned to hell.

The judgment of angels (1 Corinthians 6:2–3). Paul says that Christians will judge angels. We aren’t exactly sure what this means, but the angels facing judgment would have to be the fallen angels. It seems that Satan’s hordes of demons will be judged by the redeemed ones of the Lamb. Some of these demons are already imprisoned in darkness and awaiting judgment, according Jude 1:6, due to their leaving their proper dwelling place.

The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11–15). This final judgment of unbelievers for their sins occurs at the end of the Millennium, before the creation of the new heaven and earth. At this judgment, unbelievers from all the ages are judged for their sins and consigned to the lake of fire.

In Job 8:3, Bildad, one of Job’s friends, asks, “Does God pervert justice? Does the Almighty pervert what is right?” The answer, of course, is “no.” “He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just” (Deuteronomy 32:4), and God’s judgments will make His perfection shine forth in all its glory.

One of the Holy Spirit’s tasks in this world is to convict the world of coming judgment (John 16:8–11). When a person truly understands his sin, he will acknowledge his guilty position before a Holy God. The surety of judgment should cause the sinner to turn to the Savior and cast himself on the mercy of God in Christ. Praise the Lord that, in Christ, “mercy triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13).

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