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Kundalini Warning To The Church Of Jesus Christ....True or False.

Willie T said:
Jesus wouldn't even operate in His own unbelieving hometown.
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Excellent point.

It's all about faith, isn't it. If you don't believe you can have God's power you probably won't. I say 'probably' because God is gracious and sometimes proves himself to people despite their lack of faith.
 
Karl said:
Hey willie, did you read the part about about seeking the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you? And the part about now my cup is truly running over too?

Just for the gee whiz file, the Lord brought an American woman into my life that installed the Internet here in Tahiti for the French government, she's my computer guru, I've never paid more than $100 for one of her many spare 'puters that I can assure you is much more "hopped up" than anything you can bye from a store.

However, since you insist on talking about me rather than the subject of the thread, how about answering a few questions about yourself, in brotherly love?

1. Do you believe the Kundalini force is from the Eastern religions as stated in the video?
2. And if not, would you personally like to experience this force/control take possession of your body?
3. And would you recommend others to be controlled/possessed by the Kundalini force?

Please notice I'm NOT talking about any particular church or denomination, so let's just leave that out of the discussion, ...okay?
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I all fairness, Karl, I think we need to remember two things about this series of videos by Andrew Strom.
HE is calling it the Kundalini spirit, that doesn't mean he is correct.
And it is clear in the videos that he is promoting the book that he wrote and wants us to buy.

Th mistaken actions of some can muddy the waters of many and some people take advantage of the misfortune of others to enrich themselves. I'm not saying that is what Mr Strom is doing by posting these videos but to me it is suspect.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
You seem to be automatically equating Kundalini force with what's in the Bible as if they are, and have to be, one and the same thing. The question we have to ask here is, is there a difference between the two?' If you believe your Bible then the answer is obviously, 'yes'.
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Jethro, I don't want to undermine what you are doing here, but I am curious, why is the answer obviously yes?
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I expected you to ONLY get that out of my post, so I tried to address it before you went there.

A person convulsing while being prayed over is ENTIRELY Biblical (please, watch and listen carefully to what's going on and being said in Willie's video!). It is evil spirits that cause this when that's the cause. On the other hand, it is my own personal experience that I sometimes start shaking (like when you get chilled--nothing more) when I've been experiencing the presence and ministry of the Holy Spirit. But I also get heated and flushed when I have been persuasively presenting the gospel. My wife could tell if I had been witnessing at work because I'd come home red and flushed. The point being, just because evil spirits can cause manifestations doesn't automatically make any and all manifestations (shaking, flushing, crumbling in weakness, drunkenness, etc.) of the devil.
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No, it was not the ONLY thing I got out of your post, but it was the ONLY thing I needed clarifying.

As a disclaimer, people misunderstand others on social media and in order for me to make sure I am addressing exaclty what you're saying, I ask for clarification. Many debates begin on simple miscommunication. It's why I only asked about what I did.

Yes, I do understand that a person will behave erratically when they have a demon and its being exorcised out of them. Yet I was asking you directly if you believe that is what's going on the video. I guess this is what you do believe.

I understand that you have experienced for what you believe is another reason, I don't know why a person would shake like that. I'm trying to understand WHY God would manifest himself in you with "shaking". He has healed and delivered for 100's of years, He just does it, so why the shaking and the redness/flush? It's a serious question - what is the purpose of it?
 
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Rollo Tamasi said:
Jethro, I don't want to undermine what you are doing here, but I am curious, why is the answer obviously yes?
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Just take Moses and the staffs turning to snakes. Were both the Pharaoh's seers AND Moses evil? Yet they both did exactly the same thing... produced serpents from walking staffs.
 
Willie T said:
Just take Moses and the staffs turning to snakes. Were both the Pharaoh's seers AND Moses evil? Yet they both did exactly the same thing... produced serpents.
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Satan always tried to mimic God's doing.

The Bible says there will be signs and wonders like we have never seen before, but in the same sense, satan will try to mimic all of them. I think it wise that we know the difference. We also can ask the Lord for discernment to know the difference. <yes, I know I'm preaching to myself as everyone else realizes this but I'm still a student.>:)
 
It seems the debate is now whether Kundalini is demon possession or at least of demonic influence, and whether what goes on in the OP video is the same thing or not.
I have always wondered about demon possession.
Have I seen it?
Have I recognized it?
How do I know?
What do I do about it?
Why, in Jesus' time, did people know when others were demon possessed, yet we have trouble recognizing it?
Has anyone here known demon possession?
Has anyone cast a demon out of another?
Do any of us even know what we are talking about?
 
Jesse said:
Satan always tried to mimic God's doing.

The Bible says there will be signs and wonders like we have never seen before, but in the same sense, satan will try to mimic all of them.
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I think you will find that what you are questioning just might be some of those "signs and wonders never seen before". Yet, here you are, saying God has to stick with old, standard, known material.
 
Willie T said:
I think you will find that what you are questioning just might be some of those "signs and wonders never seen before". Yet, here you are, saying God has to stick with old, standard, known material.
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I would never want to miss out on God's signs and wonders, it will be much, much bigger than shaking a person or causing one to convulse for we all KNOW this is not a big deal for God. He is the Creator of the Universe and my thoughts of Him are much much much greater than all of this, in that He will do bigger and greater things than this.

I believe we have turned this around to "us", it is not about us but rather He being glorified in all He does. The signs and wonders will be on a scale that involves natural and physic laws, He breaking them, etc.
 
Willie T said:
Just take Moses and the staffs turning to snakes. Were both the Pharaoh's seers AND Moses evil? Yet they both did exactly the same thing... produced serpents from walking staffs.
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Interesting how someone who claims to have never been to a church which does those things, can make such a statement.
 
Pie is nearly cooked, and the dog needs walking before we head out in the car. Later.
 
Jesse said:
I would never want to miss out on God's signs and wonders, it will be much, much bigger than shaking a person or causing one to convulse for we all KNOW this is not a big deal for God. He is the Creator of the Universe and my thoughts of Him are much much much greater than all of this, in that He will do bigger and greater things than this.

I believe we have turned this around to "us", it is not about us but rather He being glorified in all He does. The signs and wonders will be on a scale that involves natural and physic laws, He breaking them, etc.
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Now, we are deciding what God's signs will be? That's a little much m'thinks.
 
Willie T said:
Now, we are deciding what God's signs will be? That's a little much m'thinks.
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It's signs and wonders that we have never seen before!

We have already seen demons being exorcised out of people. We have already seen John fall FORWARD in the presence of God.

No, these things seen in the video or nothing for God to do. He will be glorified on a much larger scale - signs that have never been seen before.
Hey! It's going to be awesome!
 
Jesse said:
No, it was not the ONLY thing I got out of your post, but it was the ONLY thing I needed clarifying.

As a disclaimer, people misunderstand others on social media and in order for me to make sure I am addressing exaclty what you're saying, I ask for clarification. Many debates begin on simple miscommunication. It's why I only asked about what I did.
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I understand.

Jesse said:
Yes, I do understand that a person will behave erratically when they have a demon and its being exorcised out of them. Yet I was asking you directly if you believe that is what's going on the video.
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Which video? In the K video? I don't see how. I don't know why the devil would want to undermine his own kingdom. In various parts of Willie's video, most definitely.


Jesse said:
I understand that you have experienced for what you believe is another reason, I don't know why a person would shake like that. I'm trying to understand WHY God would manifest himself in you with "shaking". He has healed and delivered for 100's of years, He just does it, so why the shaking and the redness/flush? It's a serious question - what is the purpose of it?
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This is the point I've been anxious to get to. The founder of Vineyard touched on it. It is the explanation that I finally came to understand.

The body responds in various ways, physically, to any stimuli applied to it, whether it be godly, or not so godly, spiritual, or not spiritual. What we see in these meetings is both a spiritual and physical response. Some people respond differently by virtue of their particular biology to the stimulus of the Spirit, just as we all respond differently to other stimuli. I'm somewhat ashamed to admit it but I often blubber like a baby when the Spirit works on me. Just reading the word out loud in a meeting will cause me to weep. Physically, I can't even speak during those times. It's the Spirit, yet I know that's just how my body reacts.

Other people will respond according to however their bodies are wired to respond to various stimuli. In these Toronto meeting videos I don't question the stimulus of the Spirit in these people, and for the most part I don't even question how they are physically responding to that stimulus (I said for the most part). What I question is how far they're going in letting their responses go out of their control. If you watched Willie's Vineyard video from a couple of weeks ago you may remember a man saying he became completely amused by the bald head of the man in front of him and started to rub it. The bald man apparently had no problem with it, presumably because he also was enamored in the Spirit. I'm bald but if you started rubbing my head in a church meeting I would not wonder at your childlike glee in response to the Spirit, I'd wonder why you can't control your response to it. I'm guessing any bald guy will tell you why you should not rub someone's bald head. You prolly won't do it again, Spirit, or no Spirit, lol. Am I right bald guys? And it's not because we'll beat the tar out of you. We'll prolly just be embarrassed for you.
 
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="Jesse, post: 1016209, member: 7531] The Spirit DOES manifest Himself, in many, many ways but causing a man to convulse, roll on the floor like they are seizing, etc isn't one I can read about nor do I see a purpose for it. (as I've stated in several posts).
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These manifestations have occurred for many centuries among pagan religionists, shamans, etc. and they have always been associated with "spirits". We know that God the Holy Spirit is not one of those spirits.
 
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