Somebody's going to have to do the job for Israel and the stubborn unbelievers left behind. They won't be the church. They will be those ... uh ... left behind.
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Somebody's going to have to do the job for Israel and the stubborn unbelievers left behind. They won't be the church. They will be those ... uh ... left behind.
Obviously we see in 1 Thessalonians that the dead in Christ will rise just before we are taken up into the air to meet Jesus in the clouds. Also, it isn't just "the resurrection." There are three. The resurrection of the dead in Christ Paul writes of in 1 Thessalonians would more properly be referred to as the resurrection of the righteous. The second resurrection is of the Tribulation saints as described in Revelation 20:4, 5. The last is the resurrection of the dead to judgment before the Great White Throne at the end of the Thousand Year Reign.Where does the resurrection 'fit in' with your view of rapture?
With the help of evangelists. It won't be any different in the Tribulation.Jesus did the job
What "last day"? Before the Rapture? Before the second coming? Before the Judgment? There is no definitive explanation for the "last day" that demands we accept is is the "last day" of time on Earth. In fact, from the perspective of the rest of God's word, it is obvious that the "last day" to which Christ refers in John 6 is the last day of the church on Earth, in other words, the Rapture. Paul makes it clear that the Rapture -- the rising up of the church to meet Christ in the clouds -- is before the revelation of antichrist. Tribulation cannot begin before antichrist is revealed, and by that time, the church is gone....Jesus says plainly the resurrection is the last day.
Yes, they should, and Paul's expansion of our Rapture view forces us to accept that before antichrist is revealed, the church will be removed. There is no other logical view.Of coarse these scriptures should be read/understood in context.
They are obviously spoken of as separate events. The first great resurrection of the Church will occur at the time of the rapture. All those who have placed their trust in Jesus Christ during the Church Age, and have died before Jesus returns, will be resurrected at the rapture. The Church Age began on the Day of Pentecost and will end when Christ returns to take believers back to heaven with Him (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). The Apostle Paul explained that not all Christians will die, but all will be changed, i.e., given resurrection-type bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-58), some without having to die! Christians who are alive, and those who have already died, will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air and be with Him always!I see the resurrection to life and I see the resurrection of the damned... I don't see more resurrections...
IMO He has the resurrection of the "good & evil" at the same time.. V.
5:28..
I'm glad you said "IMO," because there is nothing to support this
Scripturally.
The words of Jesus ....
Joh 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
That doesn't say it is all at the same time. The separate resurrections spoken of later in Scripture -- that I have detailed for you in irrefutable passages -- prove that Jesus was speaking in general here, and not of one specific hour when all the resurrections would occur. You ignore the obvious, Reba, and that's not like you.The words of Jesus ....
Joh 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
That doesn't say it is all at the same time. The separate resurrections spoken of later in Scripture -- that I have detailed for you in irrefutable passages -- prove that Jesus was speaking in general here, and not of one specific hour when all the resurrections would occur. You ignore the obvious, Reba, and that's not like you.
I try and limit my postings here because of mod duties so will answer and then TRY not to respond..That doesn't say it is all at the same time. The separate resurrections spoken of later in Scripture -- that I have detailed for you in irrefutable passages -- prove that Jesus was speaking in general here, and not of one specific hour when all the resurrections would occur. You ignore the obvious, Reba, and that's not like you.
I try and limit my postings here because of mod duties so will answer and then TRY not to respond..
Jesus says the hour is coming...when all in the graves will hear His voice and come forth ... the good to life and the evil to damnation... (Severely paraphrased)
To my simple mind that is the obvious....
Disagree. There is strong evidence in Revelation that there will be millions saved during the Tribulation.
Incorrect.1 Thessalonians 4 NASBYou're right. It won't be quiet, or secret. Unbelievers will see the instant disappearance of their friends and family, right before their eyes. Billions will disappear from the face of the Earth, with no earthly explanation for it to adequately explain it. So those remaining will make something up and go on about their lives, living in sin and degradation until such time as the antichrist is revealed and forms the one world government described in the Revelation to John. At that time, the 144,000 Jewish evangelists will arise and preach the gospel just as Christ did, first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. The new believers will be sealed visibly with a mark on their foreheads.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
I Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery ; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet ; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.Revelation 7Going further into that chapter ...
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
3 saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
Revelation 7Note, they "came out of the great tribulation." The church is to be removed in the rapture. These are new believers, also saved by the blood of the Lamb, by the witness of the Two Witnesses and the 144,000. Therefore, there is the opportunity to be saved during the Tribulation.
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
10 and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, " Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures ; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying, " Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple ; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.
Again, incorrect. While the Holy Spirit will be removed from the Earth by being taken up with those whom He indwells, that does not preclude Him from continuing to work during the Tribulation as He did in the Old Testament.
Satan isn't cast into the lake of fire until after the Thousand Year Reign.Everyone will have opportunity to come unto salvation through Jesus Christ if they would only repent before Jesus returns, but when Satan is cast into the lake of fire forever after the second battle that will come out of Jerusalem Gods judgment will be upon his people and the books will be opened at that time.
You keep accusing the Rapture of being "secret." Nowhere does Paul or anyone else in the Bible hold to the view that the Rapture is "secret." That's something you've been taught to say to refute it, but it is obvious that when billions of people disappear into the clouds to meet Jesus, there will be nothing "secret" about it. So stop trying to trash biblical teaching by deliberately misrepresenting it.No secret rapture as the saints of God are still here at this time.
Jesus' analogy of a "thief in the night" does not refer to the Rapture. It refers to His second coming. The world will be so involved in itself, the Tribulation events, just trying to survive, most will not see that event coming, the world having gotten so bad by that time they won't even think about the fact the church disappeared from Earth several years before.To me a "Thief in the night" implies secrecy.
Interesting question.Will we see the separate ones John saw in heaven as they are caught up into heaven; the twenty-four elders, the four living ones,
I think that would create a dichotomy in the space-time continuum and would rip the universe apart. :toofunnyWas Paul seen as he was caught up into paradise, and John into heaven in spirit? I read their words attesting to it, but not of other witness.
God is preparing to remove true Christians from the face of the earth, in what is known as the Rapture. Many of your Christian friends and relatives will suddenly become “missingâ€. If you have witnessed the Rapture, if you are one of those who have been left behind what will you do?
Could you give a scripture for this belief that people will become missing?
JLB