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reba said:


So only those beheaded rule for a 1000 years ?
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Well that is what i am coming to believe. Aslo added to them will be the saints that somehow survive the great tribulation and are still alive on the day of His return.


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Alabaster said:
There is a place being prepared THERE for His own:

John 14:2-3 NLT
There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am.
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That place i believe is the New Jerusalem. But take close note of scriptures. We are not going to dwell in the New Jerusalem in Heaven. Look.

Revelation 21
2 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So the New Jerusalem is not going to be in Heaven. it is coming out of Heaven down to earth and we will dwell with God on earth.


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elijah23 said:
I will tell you the same thing I told Alabaster:

No, the resurrection is a place:

[29] But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.
[30] For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Matt 22: 29-30 RSV
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I see the reference to angels here as being solidly linked to the teaching about marriage. Angels are not married they don't have children like us. Jesus is saying we will be like them in that way. Not that we will exist as angels up in Heaven.


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Adstar said:
Yes the Last day as in at the end of the 1000 years at the final judgement. But i am coming to suspect that only the saints who have died for their testimony for Jesus will be raised on the day of the second coming of the Messiah Jesus. And also the saints on earth who somehow survive the great tribulation and are alive on the day of His coming.
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What about the resurrection? thats on the 'last day' too.

Jesus comes and raises the dead on the 'last day'.

6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth
the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will
raise him up at the last day.

6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.

11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the
resurrection at the last day.

Judgement is ALSO on the 'last day'.

12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that
judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him
in the last day.

4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who
shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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TRUTH over TRADITION said:
Tell me, what scriptural basis leads you to conclude that the verse in question is not about the prophesied kingdom of Daniel but heaven instead.?
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My Bible says “heaven.”

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
 
elijah23 said:
My Bible says “heaven.â€

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
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It definately does say that the Kingdom of the heavens or of Heaven depending of translations is at hand, but what is the kingdom? Is it the PLACE where God dwells, the STATE of MIND of the saved ones, or is it what was written about in Daniel 2?
 
My contention is that the promise of eternal or should I say age lasting life (being saved from death) in scripture is DIFFERENT from the promise of a heavenly inheritance (a place of authority in the kingdom of the heavens). The requirements for each seem to be different. Consider the words of Jesus pertaining to what we call eternal life.

Luke 10:
25 Then, {Look!} a man who knew the Law very well stood up, and to test [Jesus], he asked, ‘Teacher, what must I do to inherit life in the age?’
26 And [Jesus] replied, ‘What is written in the Law… what have you read?’
27 So he answered, ‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, life, strength, and mind, and your neighbor as yourself.’
28 And [Jesus] replied, ‘That’s the right answer. Keep on doing that and you’ll live.’

Matthew 19:
16 Now, {Look!} a person came up and asked, ‘Teacher, what sort of good things must I do to get life in the age?’
17 And [Jesus] replied, ‘Why do you ask me about doing good things? There’s just One who is truly good. But if you want to enter into life, just obey the Commandments!’
18 Then [the man] asked, ‘Which ones?’
And Jesus replied: ‘Why, you must not murder; you must not commit adultery; you must not steal; you must not give false testimony; 19 honor [your] father and mother; and you must love your neighbor as [you love] yourself.’
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Now consider some of Jesus' words about those who would enter the Kingdom.

John 3:
3 Then Jesus said, ‘I tell you the truth; Unless someone is born from above, he can’t see the Kingdom of God.’
4 So NicoDemos asked, ‘How can a man be born after he’s old… he can’t go back into his mother’s womb a second time to be born, can he?’
5 And Jesus replied, ‘I tell you the truth; Unless someone is born from water and [God’s] Breath, he can’t enter the Kingdom of God. 6 Because, things that have been born from flesh are fleshly, and things that have been born from the Breath (Spirit) are spiritual. 7 However, don’t be surprised because I told you that people have to be born again…

Luke 22:
28 ‘You’re those who stayed with me through my trials,
29 So I’m making this promise to you,
As my Father made a promise to me for a Kingdom:
30 In my Kingdom, you’ll eat and drink at my table
And upon thrones you will sit,
To judge IsraEl’s twelve tribes.
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TRUTH over TRADITION said:
It definately does say that the Kingdom of the heavens or of Heaven depending of translations is at hand, but what is the kingdom? Is it the PLACE where God dwells, the STATE of MIND of the saved ones, or is it what was written about in Daniel 2?
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The kingdom of heaven is the state of mind of those who have repented, I believe.
 
Adstar said:
That place i believe is the New Jerusalem. But take close note of scriptures. We are not going to dwell in the New Jerusalem in Heaven. Look.

Revelation 21
2 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So the New Jerusalem is not going to be in Heaven. it is coming out of Heaven down to earth and we will dwell with God on earth.


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That's right. But it is in the third heaven now.
 
elijah23 said:
Angels are people who do the Lord’s will, I think.
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That is patently false and you may want to start a new thread on that, now!

What church is teaching you this stuff? Are you unchurched and self-taught?
 
Alabaster said:
Yes. Angels are another creation. Nowhere is man considered of the angelic order.
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What Scripture says I am wrong?

By the way, read this:

Bless the LORD, O you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his word,
hearkening to the voice of his word! Psalms 103:20 RSV

I think angels are people who do the Lord’s word.
 
elijah23 said:
What Scripture says I am wrong?
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What scripture teaches you this? All Scripture points to angels as spirit beings who are messengers of God, and spiritual warriors.

By the way, read this:

Bless the LORD, O you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his word,
hearkening to the voice of his word! Psalms 103:20 RSV

I think angels are people who do the Lord’s word.
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Angels are not people. That is a fable. David's psalm is simply a call to angels to bless God.
 
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