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[_ Old Earth _] Life without God

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This is to the creationists: Is it possible that life originated without God? Why?
 
Good question, but maybe it should go in C&S.

That all depends on how the life arises(supposedly) without God, how life is defined, and if the conditions are present(even though the conditions would have to be created, and set in place. We are just talking about life after all, not the universe.... :-D ).

But, if we look at this idea as "Did it happen"? Then no, the probability is way too low, and the events/conditions leading up to the event (Supposing God is involved in no way what so ever) would be impossible to be in existance without creating involved....
 
Darck Marck said:
Good question, but maybe it should go in C&S.

That all depends on how the life arises(supposedly) without God, how life is defined, and if the conditions are present(even though the conditions would have to be created, and set in place. We are just talking about life after all, not the universe.... :-D ).

But, if we look at this idea as "Did it happen"? Then no, the probability is way too low, and the events/conditions leading up to the event (Supposing God is involved in no way what so ever) would be impossible to be in existance without creating involved....
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How can you say that the probability is low? How can you say the events are impossible without creating?
 
I think you're missing the purpose of the thread.
 
This is to the creationists: Is it possible that life originated without God? Why?
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Your question makes no sense. Creationists believe that life was created by God so life would not be possible or ever existed without him.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void Gen 1:2
 
Your question makes no sense. Creationists believe that life was created by God so life would not be possible or ever existed without him.
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Just because God did something doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened without him.
 
True on that, weather he creates a life or we do sets it apart.
 
Another question does the bible actually define what life is? Or are we just going by the dictionary definition here?
 
jonnyblade said:
Another question does the bible actually define what life is? Or are we just going by the dictionary definition here?
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That's the difficulty in discussing if life can arise spontaneously, without intent, life must be defined. It can be difficult because of differing opinions. One can define life as something that they claim evolved into life, then we have whether or not this life survived and evolved into what is today.
 
But again to the question, does Christ describe what life is or is it just something we made up ourselves?
 
keebs said:
This is to the creationists: Is it possible that life originated without God? Why?
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No, it is not possible, there is no life apart from God.
 
Asimov said:
JohnR7 said:
keebs said:
This is to the creationists: Is it possible that life originated without God? Why?
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No, it is not possible, there is no life apart from God.
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Prove it.
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Prove there is no God. :-? How about you prove that life has come into existence apart from God and then we can go from there. Is it not one of the tenets of biology that life comes only from life? Or has that changed?
 
it not one of the tenets of biology that life comes only from life?
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If I'm not mistaken, scientists have observed amino acids forming from non-living matter, so it follows that eventually life could spring from nonlife given the conditions are correct.
 
Free said:
Prove there is no God. :-? How about you prove that life has come into existence apart from God and then we can go from there. Is it not one of the tenets of biology that life comes only from life? Or has that changed?
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Or, how about you prove there is a God, and how about you prove that life has not come into existence apart from God, and how about you prove that your religion is true. Then we can go from there.

See? I can do it just as well as you can.

My statement about john "proving" what he said was rhetorical, free.

There are no tenets of biology that life only comes from life. It has been proven false that life can spontaneously arise from non-life. Such as maggots "forming" on rotting meat.

Would you say viruses are alive, free?
 
Asimov said:
Huh?
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Chernobyl is evidence that apart from God all you have is desolation and destruction. No city can survive inless there is at least one righteous man or women to give a witness and a testimony for God. Apart from God you would have nothing.
 
Asimov,

Or, how about you prove there is a God, and how about you prove that life has not come into existence apart from God, and how about you prove that your religion is true. Then we can go from there.

See? I can do it just as well as you can.
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Perhaps you overlooked the :-? emoticon to show that I was using your logic and that it was rather poor.

There are no tenets of biology that life only comes from life. It has been proven false that life can spontaneously arise from non-life.
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Isn't that basically what I stated? :-?

Would you say viruses are alive, free?
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I don't know, I don't anything about viruses. Do they happen to spontaneously arise from non-life?
 
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