Losing Salvation after getting saved?

[FreeGrace]

It means that anyone who does not inherit the kingdom will not be granted access into God's Kingdom.

Unless you can find the words loss of rewards in this statement that Jesus made to those WHO DID NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM.

Please explain this verse to me: Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 2 Jn 8

John clearly is warning of loss: "that we lose not those things which we have wrought". The word for "wrought" means this:
ergazomai

1) to work, labour, do work
2) to trade, to make gains by trading, “do business”
3) to do, work out
3a) exercise, perform, commit
3b) to cause to exist, produce
4) to work for, earn by working, to acquire

So it's clear he is speaking of works, something EARNED. Which can be lost. Then he ends with: "that we receive a full reward."

Do you believe he was speaking about earning salvation here?

'Depart from Me

, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Where in this verse do you see the words loss of rewards?

It's not here. This verse is about those who have never believed and are going to the lake of fire.

Burning in hell is no loss of rewards, it is the loss of your salvation!

For those who have never believed.

Did you note the clear words of Eph 1:13: "having believed". Nothing about continuation of faith in order to be sealed by the Holy Spirit. And then 4:30 says we are sealed for the day of redemption.

How is this not eternal security? Please explain.

 

[FreeGrace]

How is losing the free gift of forgiveness not losing the free gift of salvation?

This is what you responded to:
Sure. Of course they are there. By why ASSUME that they refer to loss of salvation, when that isn't STATED either there, or anywhere else, for that matter?

I have no idea where your question is coming from. Please explain. The Bible does not ever describe forgiveness as a free gift.

 

[gr8grace3]

The one and only.

"...you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." (Exodus 21:23-25 NASB)

11 'For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.' (Leviticus 17:11 NASB

The blood is a figurative look at the WHOLE work of Christ on the Cross.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB95)
7 In Him we have(ecw 2192 pres act ind 1p ---verb *we are having 3)
redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

The Myth~~ Jesus Christ died physically for our sins. He died Physically so we could have resurrection bodies.

The Truth~~ Jesus Christ died Spiritually for the Sins of the world, He died Physically for our resurrection.


The verb(ecw 2192 pres act ind 1p ---verb *we are having 3)is a double accusative~~~ Forgiveness and redemption. Which means, the phrase “the forgiveness of sins/tresspasses” is in apposition to “redemption through His blood.” It means the blood of Christ is figurative, referring to His whole redemptive work.

The blood is a figurative look at the WHOLE work of Christ on the Cross.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB95)
7 In Him we have(ecw 2192 pres act ind 1p ---verb *we are having 3)
redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

The Myth~~ Jesus Christ died physically for our sins. He died Physically so we could have resurrection bodies.

The Truth~~ Jesus Christ died Spiritually for the Sins of the world, He died Physically for our resurrection.


The verb(ecw 2192 pres act ind 1p ---verb *we are having 3)is a double accusative~~~ Forgiveness and redemption. Which means, the phrase “the forgiveness of sins/tresspasses” is in apposition to “redemption through His blood.” It means the blood of Christ is figurative, referring to His whole redemptive work.

 

[DRS81]

Myself!

I continued to believe.

Thanks for sharing.


JLB

You continued to believe that Jesus is the Son of God because God's grace never left you.

 

[FreeGrace]

Wait, wait, wait.......you just said no one has even tried to.

This is what I said, that you responded to here:
Y'all just keep repeating yourselves.

I said that no one has even tried to refute my points. What has been repeated is just your opinions. There is no verse that says that salvation can be lost. The verses you and others keep repeating don't say that.

(Removed, response to deleted comment. Obadiah.)

 

[JLB]

But your belief of non-osas is based on works salvation and not grace salvation. Why are you not discussing God's grace.

Those who inherit the kingdom are those who are no longer under the law and now are under grace. Those who are under grace are those who are born again.

Eph 1:13-14 We didn't mark ourselves with our own seal and mark. The seal and mark comes from God.

This scripture is referring to GOD'S mark, GOD'S seal, GOD'S promised Holy Spirit. GOD'S deposit, GOD'S guarantee, GOD'S inheritance, GOD'S possession.

1. message of truth
2. gospel of your salvation
3. believed
4. marked
5. seal
6. promised Holy Spirit
7. deposit
8. guaranteeing
9. inheritance
10. redemption
11. possession

Notice it says, when you believed, you were marked. We are only believing once. Rom 10:9.

All I am discussing is the term inherit the kingdom.

It's the phrase Jesus used to grant access to those who were before Him on Judgement Day.

Not discussing what you think the seal means, or God's guarantee means, just the phrase that is used by Jesus Christ on Judgement Day.


Jesus established the meaning for this phrase by using it to grant access to those who were before Him of Judgement Day.

The Apostle Paul uses this phrase in the same way as Jesus, as His words are the foundation of truth for our lives.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25;34


19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


Inherit the kingdom = Access granted to God's Kingdom forever.

Not inherit the kingdom = Sentenced to hell forever



JLB

 

[DRS81]

All I am discussing is the term inherit the kingdom.

Yup, and those who are under grace will inherit the Kingdom, born again. Grace is a gift from God that cannot be taken away.

Not discussing what you think the seal means, or God's guarantee means

Well, let's discuss it. What is this seal and mark in Eph 1:13-14. Notice this scripture also says we are sealed until redemption, which is death.

 

[Kathi]

"Yup, and those who are under grace will inherit the Kingdom, born again. Grace is a gift from God that cannot be taken away." Yes DRS.and why would God take something away?

 

[gr8grace3]

(Post removed, response to deleted post. Obadiah.)

 

[Kathi]

Not all those who call themselves Christians will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[DRS81]

Yes DRS.and why would God take something away?

Do what now?

Not all those who call themselves Christians will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Yup, only those who are born again under grace.

 

[gr8grace3]

"Yup, and those who are under grace will inherit the Kingdom, born again. Grace is a gift from God that cannot be taken away." Yes DRS.and why would God take something away?

There are believers who will NOT inherit the kingdom, there will also be believers who are just living there and saved.

 

[gr8grace3]

Not all those who call themselves Christians will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

All Christians will ENTER the kingdom, not all will INHERIT the Kingdom.

 

[Kathi]

All Christians will ENTER the kingdom, not all will INHERIT the Kingdom.

What is the difference?

 

[DRS81]

There are believers who will NOT inherit the kingdom, there will also be believers who are just living there and saved.

Can you expand on this, is this scriptural.

 

[Kathi]

There are believers who will NOT inherit the kingdom, there will also be believers who are just living there and saved.

You make all of this way too complicated.

 

[DRS81]

You make all of this way too complicated.

Yeah I agree. Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[gr8grace3]

You make all of this way too complicated.

Can you expand on this, is this scriptural.

2 John 8 (KJV 1900)
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

And if you read through the last couple of pages FreeGrace has explained it very well.

 

[DRS81]

2 John 8 (KJV 1900)
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

And if you read through the last couple of pages FreeGrace has explained it very well.

There is only one kingdom, either you inherit it or not. We're only believing once here...

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Our inheritance is guaranteed through the promised Holy Spirit. We inherit the kingdom once we come to faith and accept Jesus as Savior Rom 10:9 and Luke 17:21.

 

[gr8grace3]

What is the difference?

Reigning~~ 2Tim 2:11-13~~
11It is a trustworthy statement:
For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;.......saved and eternal life.

12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;......Deny us reign in His Kingdom.

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.......Saved and eternal life.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life........Saved and eternal life. John 6:47 NASB

2 John 8 (KJV 1900)
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward......saved and eternal life no question. But not having full reward is Possible.