Losing Salvation after getting saved?

[JLB]

You'll need to ask the person/people who made those arguments. Since you often misrepresent/misunderstand what people say can you quote the posts which contain " the arguments that have been made that to say that believers have the responsibility to continue to believe in order to be saved is a self righteous work ".






Correct poster JLB.

The point is that.

When Jesus returns there will be many people who point to their own efforts and they seem to truly believe they were saved.

Of course they never were.

As long as you can see that clearly, then I have done my job in helping you to rightly divide the word of truth.

There seems to be a consensus in those who hold to the doctrine that is labeled OSAS, in that they all seem to think and lump everyone to whom the scriptures refer, as being unsaved, when the scriptures clearly define some with phrases such as:

• Depart from the faith...

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

• departing from the living God

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Hebrews 3:12

• than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them...
• they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2 Peter 2:19-21


Please see the difference in those who were never saved and those who:

Turned away from the faith.

Departed from the living God.

Turned from the holy commandment.


JLB

 

[agua.]

What a great thinking. A man who just believed for once and had no fellowship got saved and a man who believed and obeyed God didn't get saved. Now what is the definition of being born-again according to your thought point. Is that a man who just believed once and did nothing, or is that man who believed and obeyed God? Great let others come on this. Where did I judge any person, I was just asking a question whether if simply sitting Christians can get saved and your answer was OSAS and now we understand who is judging whom.

I haven't suggested either man is saved or not that's you poster Jonahmano. I've simply said that if a man is Born Again he will be saved. How do you know if either the Rich Business man or the Poor worker is Born Again ?

What if my child has no fellowship with me? What if he goes and stays somewhere looking his own business and never knocked on my door at least once just because he knows I always love him and I will never forsake him???

What will you do if your child disobeys you ? A good parent should know this or probably shouldn't be raising children.

The commandments in the bible are written in simple understanding language. I'm not interested to list them because you know them very well.

Ok no worries. Do you keep Shabbat ?

Yea Yahweh will surely discipline His children but only when we are yielded to him that is when you have a continuous relationship with Christ.

And remember we keep the commandments because we are saved, not to be saved

Can you show me the scripture that says Christians are only disciplined by Yahweh when we are yeilded to Him?

Heb 12:8 KJV But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

There are many examples in the Bible of how Yahweh disciplines His Children beginning with Adam and Eve, continuing on with the examples of the Israelites and Prophets etc, right through to Christians in the NT. The notable thing is that Yahweh disciplines His children when they're not yielding.

 

[agua.]

As long as you can see that clearly, then I have done my job in helping you to rightly divide the word of truth.

There seems to be a consensus in those who hold to the doctrine that is labeled OSAS, in that they all seem to think and lump everyone to whom the scriptures refer, as being unsaved, when the scriptures clearly define some with phrases such as:

• Depart from the faith...

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

• departing from the living God

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Hebrews 3:12

• than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them...
• they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2 Peter 2:19-21


Please see the difference in those who were never saved and those who:

Turned away from the faith.

Departed from the living God.

Turned from the holy commandment.


JLB

Poster JLB yes I can clearly see that many people who make great claims of what they've done in Jesus Name will not be saved.

These people were never saved, of course and may stay inside the Church until the end. Notice that Jesus said to allow these unbelievers to continue to pretend.

Mat 13:30 KJV Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


Some of these pretenders may leave the Church before Jesus returns though.


1Jn 2:18-19 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


Please see the difference in those who were never saved.

And those who were/are being disciplined by Yahweh.

And those amid the Church who are not Christians.

A Saint will be saved, of course.

 

[JLB]

Poster JLB yes I can clearly see that many people who make great claims of what they've done in Jesus Name will not be saved.

These people were never saved, of course and may stay inside the Church until the end. Notice that Jesus said to allow these unbelievers to continue to pretend.

Mat 13:30 KJV Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


Some of these pretenders may leave the Church before Jesus returns though.


1Jn 2:18-19 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


Please see the difference in those who were never saved.

And those who were/are being disciplined by Yahweh.

And those amid the Church who are not Christians.

A Saint will be saved, of course.

Your still refusing to acknowledge the truth of the scriptures.

Does this phrase mean they were NEVER SAVED, or they:

• Depart from the faith...
• Turned away from the faith.
• Departed from the living God.
• Turned from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

If I depart my house, haven't I been in my house?


...unless the falling away comes first


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


What are these in the Church at Thessalonica, warned that many will fall away from?

Isn't the message about a great falling away from the faith in Christ and turn to worship the antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition, lawless one, FALSE CHRIST?

What are these falling away from?


JLB

 

[agua.]

Your still refusing to acknowledge the truth of the scriptures.

Does this phrase mean they were NEVER SAVED, or they:

• Depart from the faith...
• Turned away from the faith.
• Departed from the living God.
• Turned from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

If I depart my house, haven't I been in my house?


...unless the falling away comes first


Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4


What are these in the Church at Thessalonica, warned that many will fall away from?

Isn't the message about a great falling away from the faith in Christ and turn to worship the antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition, lawless one, FALSE CHRIST?

What are these falling away from?


JLB

You're still refusing to see the truth of the scriptures.

Does this phrase mean they Lost their salvation. or they : were NEVER SAVED, or they:

• Departed their profession ...
• Turned away from their professed faith.
• Departed from the living God who they never knew.
• Turned from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

If I depart Yahweh's Church, have I been His Son or a Bastard ?


...unless the falling away comes first

2Th 2:1-4 KJV Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Those who fall away were never saved as John told us.

1Jn 2:19 KJV They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



There were false believers in Church at Thessalonica, who have/will fall away.

The message is that many false believers will leave their profession and return to their vomit/ worshipping the antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition, lawless one , FALSE CHRIST.

What are these falling away from?

 

[JLB]

You're still refusing to see the truth of the scriptures.

Does this phrase mean they Lost their salvation. or they : were NEVER SAVED, or they:

• Departed their profession ...
• Turned away from their professed faith.
• Departed from the living God who they never knew.
• Turned from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

If I depart Yahweh's Church, have I been His Son or a Bastard ?


...unless the falling away comes first

2Th 2:1-4 KJV Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Those who fall away were never saved as John told us.

1Jn 2:19 KJV They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



There were false believers in Church at Thessalonica, who have/will fall away.

The message is that many false believers will leave their profession and return to their vomit/ worshipping the antichrist, man of sin, son of perdition, lawless one , FALSE CHRIST.

What are these falling away from?

These are departing the living God!

Fallen away from the faith! By the way faith comes from ONLY GOD!

They turned away from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

That means these escaped the pollutions of the world, for a while, then went back to their own vomit.

This is the very message of the parable of the Sower.

They RECEIVED THE MESSAGE WITH JOY, but after awhile they turned away from Christ, they turned away from the faith, they turned away FROM THE LIVING GOD!

They departed the faith in Christ...

All of the logical fallacy, and Straw Man attempts will not change what TURNING AWAY FROM CHRIST or
DEPARTING THE LIVING GOD MEANS.

This message is not going away!

This Truth will endure forever.

YOU MUST ENDURE TO THE END TO BE SAVED!!!


JLB

 

[agua.]

These are departing the living God!

Fallen away from the faith! By the way faith comes from ONLY GOD!

They turned away from the holy commandment by which they escaped the pollutions of the world.

That means these escaped the pollutions of the world, for a while, then went back to their own vomit.

This is the very message of the parable of the Sower.

They RECEIVED THE MESSAGE WITH JOY, but after awhile they turned away from Christ, they turned away from the faith, they turned away FROM THE LIVING GOD!

They departed the faith in Christ...

All of the logical fallacy, and Straw Man attempts will not change what TURNING AWAY FROM CHRIST or
DEPARTING THE LIVING GOD MEANS.

This message is not going away!

This Truth will endure forever.

YOU MUST ENDURE TO THE END TO BE SAVED!!!


JLB

Ok poster JLB I'll consider what you've said. Do you believe the many people in Matthew 7 who claim great works for Jesus believed they were saved ie. made profession of their faith ?

Mat 7:22 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

The Truth will endure forever.

ALL SAINTS WILL ENDURE TO THE END AND BE SAVED!!!

 

[JLB]

Ok poster JLB I'll consider what you've said. Do you believe the many people in Matthew 7 who claim great works for Jesus believed they were saved ie. made profession of their faith ?

Mat 7:22 KJV Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

The Truth will endure forever.

ALL SAINTS WILL ENDURE TO THE END AND BE SAVED!!!

All saints that endure to the end, will be saved.

 

[agua.]

All saints that endure to the end, will be saved.

All Saints will endure to the end, and be saved.

 

[follower]

All Saints will endure to the end, and be saved.

All Saints(who are saved for eternity) (who are real and true Saints and not false or fake Saints; i.e. Saints in Yhwh's estimation with no regard for what the world or church calls a saint)
will endure to the end, and be saved.

Other Saints, errr.... saints?... , who are called saints on earth and even think themselves to be saints,
will be told on Judgment Day by the Judge "be gone from Me , I never knew you".

Like the tares amongst the wheat, Yhwh says they look the same(?), leave them alone - don't touch. the angel will separate them out at the end of the age. it is not for us to do.

the challenge is "work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (because so much is at stake, and because so many are lied to, and because traps are laid every day for the man of Yhwh, even in the house of Yhwh)

 

[jonahmano]

I haven't suggested either man is saved or not that's you poster Jonahmano. I've simply said that if a man is Born Again he will be saved. How do you know if either the Rich Business man or the Poor worker is Born Again ?

How does a man become born-again? Just by simple hearing the Word and receiving Jesus Christ and never go back to Him again. Hahahah. You said that a person who simply sits will be saved. I believe that man is person is known by His fruits. Whether he be rich businessman or poor workers.

What will you do if your child disobeys you ? A good parent should know this or probably shouldn't be raising children.

Our God is not a God who forces on people he does chastise us but the choice to choose evil or good is ours.




[/QUOTE]Ok no worries. Do you keep Shabbat ?[/QUOTE]

Please don't ask me questions to trick me. This is not the subject of this thread. Start a separate thread and I will join in.

Can you show me the scripture that says Christians are only disciplined by Yahweh when we are yeilded to Him?

You have brought the word discipline into the subject. What discipline can work out if a person doesn't want to have any fellowship with the Lord?

Heb 12:8 KJV But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

There are many examples in the Bible of how Yahweh disciplines His Children beginning with Adam and Eve, continuing on with the examples of the Israelites and Prophets etc, right through to Christians in the NT. The notable thing is that Yahweh disciplines His children when they're not yielding.

I completely agree with you but I don't agree with your position that there is no work because faith without works is dead. Let God be the judge but it's a serious matter in not encouraging a person to obey the lord to be with Him for ever and ever.

 

[agua.]

How does a man become born-again? Just by simple hearing the Word and receiving Jesus Christ and never go back to Him again. Hahahah. You said that a person who simply sits will be saved. I believe that man is person is known by His fruits. Whether he be rich businessman or poor workers.

This is how a man becomes Born Again.

Rom 10:9-11 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

How do you suggest a man is Born Agian ?

Our God is not a God who forces on people he does chastise us but the choice to choose evil or good is ours.

You must have a different God. What is your god's name ? My God Yahweh will not allow me to persist in ungodly behaviour does your god allow you to do this ?

Please don't ask me questions to trick me. This is not the subject of this thread. Start a separate thread and I will join in.

Poster Jonahmano are you a troll or possibly someone operating more than one account on this forum ?

You have brought the word discipline into the subject. What discipline can work out if a person doesn't want to have any fellowship with the Lord?

No unbeliever accepts Yahweh's discipline and is not a Child but a bastard.

I completely agree with you but I don't agree with your position that there is no work because faith without works is dead. Let God be the judge but it's a serious matter in not encouraging a person to obey the lord to be with Him for ever and ever.

Who is your god ?

 

[jonahmano]

This is how a man becomes Born Again.

Rom 10:9-11 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed

How do you suggest a man is Born Agian ?.

Nice thought but I will go bit higher than that. Born-again means born from above. I will give two examples since we were talking about rich business man. A defence scientist after being born-again by following Rom 10:9-11 knowing Christ and wanting to work for Him, resigns his job and becomes a pastor, trusting wholly in God for all his needs. Another rich business man knowing God the same way as the defence scientist might have been atheist or would have gone after heathen gods, turned backed to our real God but didn't leave his business or spent his quality time with Christ but still is a born-again by your standards which I will agree because God is the judge here but for me the first person is the role model.

You must have a different God. What is your god's name ? My God Yahweh will not allow me to persist in ungodly behaviour does your god allow you to do this ?

Are your eyes blind? I have seen many people in this earth preaching and saying out abuses. I did have personal encounters with such kind of people. I don't know what place of the world you live in. It's a fairy land I think, if you give the address then I will try my best to relocate.

Poster Jonahmano are you a troll or possibly someone operating more than one account on this forum ?

Admins and moderators will decide if I'm a troll or someone operating with many accounts. Please keep decorum in this forum. I don't like you calling me poster always. If you are the lover of Jesus Christ then you must have respect to fellow believers just as I and JLB have respect for you.

No unbeliever accepts Yahweh's discipline and is not a Child but a bastard.

???? Are you here for mocking others or teaching and learning? I'm here for learning? I know I don't have more revelations than you but I have decency and you lack that. You are mocking God by calling us names posters, and asking the name of our

Who is your god ?

My God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the creator of Heaven and Earth. The Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end


And remember we keep the commandments because we are saved, not to be saved

 

[agua.]

Nice thought but I will go bit higher than that. Born-again means born from above. I will give two examples since we were talking about rich business man. A defence scientist after being born-again by following Rom 10:9-11 knowing Christ and wanting to work for Him, resigns his job and becomes a pastor, trusting wholly in God for all his needs. Another rich business man knowing God the same way as the defence scientist might have been atheist or would go after heathen gods turned backed to our real God but didn't leave his business or spent his quality time with Christ but still is a born-again by your standards which I will agree because God is the judge here but for me the first person is the role model.

Can you pots the scriptures which tell me how a man is born again. Your words are like clanging symbols.

Are your eyes blind? I have seen many people in this earth preaching and saying out abuses. I did have personal encounters with such kind of people. I don't know what place of the world you live in. It's a fairy land I think, if you give the address then I will try my best to relocate.

:D Sure c'mon over it's great here.

Admins and moderators will decide if I'm a troll or someone operating with many accounts. Please keep decorum in this forum. I don't like you calling me poster always. If you are the lover of Jesus Christ then you must have respect to fellow believers just as I and JLB have respect for you.

A moderator cannot always tell if you're operating more than one account and Jesus told us to allow the tares to grow with the wheat. You didn't answer my question are you operating more than one account on this forum. I'm guessing you may consider yourself Christian and feel uncomfortable lying.

???? Are you here for mocking others or teaching and learning? I'm here for learning? I know I don't have more revelations than you but I have decency and you lack that. You are mocking God by calling us names posters, and asking the name of our

Are you operating more than one account on this forum ? You said above your God doesn't chastise you yet scripture says Yahweh chastises His Children.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Who is your god ?

My God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the creator of Heaven and Earth. The Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end


And remember we keep the commandments because we are saved, not to be saved

Ok good. do you accept when Jesus chastises you ?

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 

[jonahmano]

Can you pots the scriptures which tell me how a man is born again. Your words are like clanging symbols.



:biggrin Sure c'mon over it's great here.



A moderator cannot always tell if you're operating more than one account and Jesus told us to allow the tares to grow with the wheat. You didn't answer my question are you operating more than one account on this forum. I'm guessing you may consider yourself Christian and feel uncomfortable lying.



Are you operating more than one account on this forum ? You said above your God doesn't chastise you yet scripture says Yahweh chastises His Children.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Who is your god ?



Ok good. do you accept when Jesus chastises you ?

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you say that the word being born-again begins and ends with Romans 10:9 then I don't agree with it. According to my perception being born-again starts with Ephesians 2:8-9 and the goes on to Romans 10:9. then goes on with Romans 8:14 and there are many verses but for you this is enough. Since you want to stick with Romans 10:9, I have given couple of verses for you to ponder

Don't worry I don't have to lie for these simple things. When there is nothing to lie why do I deliberately have to lie in a Christian forum. Anyways we'll grow as tares and you become the wheat. Let God judge in this matter

 

[jonahmano]

Cool I'm pleased you don't have to lie poster Jonahmano and you're correct Yahweh will judge all things.

Do you operate more than one account on this forum ?

Oh btw I'm still keen to see the scriptures which you suggest teach how a man becomes Born Again.

i am not able to handle a single account then how do you expect me to handle multiple accounts???

 

[agua.]

i am not able to handle a single account then how do you expect me to handle multiple accounts???

So do you operate more than one account on this forum ?

 

[agua.]

If you say that the word being born-again begins and ends with Romans 10:9 then I don't agree with it.

Do you disagree Roman's 10:9-11 ?

Rom 10:9-11 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

According to my perception being born-again starts with Ephesians 2:8-9 and the goes on to Romans 10:9. then goes on with Romans 8:14 and there are many verses but for you this is enough. Since you want to stick with Romans 10:9, I have given couple of verses for you to ponder

I don't see any contradiction with Romans 10:9-11 here cool.

Don't worry I don't have to lie for these simple things. When there is nothing to lie why do I deliberately have to lie in a Christian forum. Anyways we'll grow as tares and you become the wheat. Let God judge in this matter

Cool I'm pleased you don't have to lie poster Jonahmano and you're correct Yahweh will judge all things.

Do you operate more than one account on this forum ?

 

[chessman]

I suspect you're applying the OSAS circular reasoning again--saved people can't go to the lake of fire, therefore, those who are being warned...

You do realize that I suspect the same of you, right? You asked me to show your circular reasoning to you earlier. I did and it upset you.
Here it is relative to The Word to Smyrna:

1. Do you think saved people go to the LoF? If so, how so because it's an oxymoron? Do you think once-saved people go to the LoF? If so, show me the Biblical example of just such a person described in Rev 2 preferably since you brought it up.

2. Where do you find "warning(s)" in this Rev 2 prophesy? As always, Jesus simply stated the facts. In this case, some present facts in Smyrna and future facts.

I don't find:
I warn you that; The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches ELSE you become unsaved.
Or
I warn you that; The one who conquers will never be harmed by the second death ELSE you become unsaved.
Or certainly not;
I warn you that; Do not be afraid of the things which you are about to suffer. ELSE you become unsaved
Or certainly not;
I warn you to;
Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and you will experience affliction ten days
ELSE you become unsaved.
Or even;
I warn you;
Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
ELSE you become unsaved

But that's simply the difference between the way I study Scripture and they way you post about it circularly. If Jesus had said "I warn you to be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life ELSE you will loss the salvation I gave you in the first place, you'd have a Biblical case. One you'd need to reconcile with Jesus knowing His own though (past, present and future). And you'd need to show an example of it occurring, preferably. I know of to many Biblical cases where saved people did not have the full faith in God they should have, yet God disciplined them in love anyway. Moses being just one of many examples.

As it stands now, however, you keep making a circular case and false accusations about the OSAS case.

As for why I'm even discussing Rev 2 in the first place:

May I ask, "What is it about the second death that you don't understand?"

"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'" (Revelation 2: NASB)

Why do you take away the part about the second death in this passage?

You do realize that the reason we are even talking about Rev 2 is that you made the above post, right? It was a misrepresentation of my position. A position I think is Biblical and you've yet to show is not. And will never do through false accusations such as the one above or that OSAS is an attempt to build a "license to sin".

I assumed you think there's anti-OSAS content in Rev 2:10-11, somewhere. That's why you falsely accused me of not understanding the second death in that verse.

If you would STOP posting false accusations against me or OSAS positions for that matter, this thread would be a lot more productive and we would not be wasting time with your multiple false accusations, like the one above.

Again, your posts like the one above have entertainment value, but as to any logical proof of anti-OSAS, there's nothing to them.

 

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2.4: No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response. Address issues not personalities. Respect where people are in their spiritual walk, and respect all others in general. Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

Not necessarily directed at the last poster. Let's stay on topic!