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Losing Salvation after getting saved?
- Thread starter jonahmano
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If Noah did not obey and build the Ark, would he and his family have drowned?
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:18-21
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16
If you believe the Gospel, you will be Baptized.
JLB
Matchless...........This forum needs a like button
I think now would be a good time to take up an offering.
Everyone with a Platinum Visa Card please form a single line to my left...
JLB
Nice!
Gregg
Member
On the contrary; grace preachers are so because of God's finished work in Christ, in whom God demonstrated His love and grace. God is zealous, as am I; therefore I do not just sit on my shadow contributing to forums.
Neighbor, both my faith and my works are tested; perhaps more that you can imagine. I am saved because I know the Living God, and He employs me, and I work for Him. I've seen several countries in my service to Him, and thousands of miles of roads - many on blistered feet and an empty stomach and sleeping in places that I would not describe here; because I want to go where people are at any cost. And when I have opportunity to share the gospel I do not intentionally withhold a portion of it.
I have works, although I am not alone in them. I have works, but they are expected of me and I do not glory in them; and I do them by faith.
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Can the gold you speak of remove its own impurities, or break itself from its mold, or turn itself into lead? No it can not; neither can a Christian sustain salvation by works, or jump out of God's hand, or lose his salvation.
Jethro Bodine
Member
No, not me. I've never addressed the subject in this context that I can remember.
Turning in their eternal life? No, of course not. IMO, it is figurative of them bowing to the authority of the one who sits on the Throne. Perhaps giving their authority to Jesus who sits on the Throne. Just as we see the ten kings doing that to the beast in Revelation 17:13 NASB.
I possess everything that eternal life is at this time. And I will continue to possess that, and what is to come, as long as I trust in Christ. If I disown Christ I will no longer have the promise of eternal life. What OSAS has to do is prove that a believer can not disown Christ. The argument boils down to that single point.
chessman
Member
Yes. But I didn't ask about drowning, I asked about salvation.
Do you have a comprehensive list of all the words in God's Bible that you re-interpret as unsaved?
Let's see:
1. Drowning
2. Falling
3. Vomited
4. Sinning
6. Adultery
7. ...
Hebrews list a bunch of examples of obedient faith in the passage you mentioned, not just Noah. Abraham, Moses, etc..,
Hebrews 11:32 And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, and Samuel and the prophets,
It's almost as if he's saying I cannot list them all. Is it your doctrine that they all would drown (excuse me, get unsaved) were they not obedient? Every last one of them?
Salvation is now needed because of one mans DISOBEDIENCE.
I guess what I perceive you asking is: How much sin can I get away with and still be saved?
Sorry, I don't have the answer you are looking for.
I laid out, from the scriptures the active principle of faith.
I showed scriptures about faith, walkinging the Spirit, obedience, being spiritually minded...
All you seem to want to discuss is sin?
My opinion is one sin or learning as a immature Christian to come out of a lifestyle of sin is not going to make you lose your salvation.
If you have faith to believe God will forgive you, of any sin, then I believe He will.
I have said before that if I only went by my experience, I would probably be in the OSAS camp.
The scriptures are different from my opinion.
Here is what I know, if you don't obey the Gospel you will not have, Salvation at the end.
in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10
JLB
Gregg
Member
I would say that:
The standard of faith is Christ's obedience; and
The standard of righteousness is Christ Himself.
Our faith is in the LORD Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected, and believers are clothed in Christ's righteousness. The faith of a believer is in God alone, not in God and in himself; else his faith is partially misdirected, and that is missing the mark.
Faith comes by hearing God!
Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
Are you under the impression that faith for Salvation is a one time event?
Please go back and read the 700 posts that were posted here with all the scriptures that have been presented about...
Continuing in the faith to the end...
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12,14
What does: departing from the living God... Mean to you?
JLB
chessman
Member
nope, that wasn't my question either. Oh well. I'd asked if any of those in Hebrews list of faithfuls (that were obedient and at times disobedient) had been disobedient, was it your doctrine that they would have become unsaved? It was a yes or no question. Pick one. Yes or no?
My answer is no.
i know. don't you find it just a little odd? You'd think it would have been taught by either Jesus or Paul, just exactly how much post-salvation disobedience was enough to unsave you.
Maybe that's left up to the Holy Spirit living inside each disobedient saved person's heart.
1 Corinthians 4:4-5 But the one who judges me is the Lord. Therefore do not judge anything before the time, until the Lord should come, who will both enlighten the hidden things of darkness [hidden disobedience/sin] and will reveal the counsels of hearts, ...
Oh, I almost forgot the ...:
and then praise will come to each one from God.
My doctrine states that the end of your faith, not the beginning, nor the middle, but the end of you faith is the Salvation of your soul.
Finish the course, kept the faith.
Not if someone sins.
Not if someone falls.
For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity. Proverbs 24:16
He who endures to the end will be saved.
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
Hebrews 3:12,14
At the end of your life when you have been tested and approved, you will become a partaker of Christ, IF
YOU hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.
JLB
29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" 30Then Jesus answered and said: "A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.' 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?" 37 And he said, "He who showed mercy on him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise." Luke 10:29-37
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41-46
This Private teaching from Jesus to His disciples, was about His Coming and the end of the age.
Do you think Jesus is referring to Christians or unbelievers in these verses found in Matthew 25:41-46.
JLB
Now again please don't counter us that we are preaching that salvation is by works. Nowhere we supported that doctrine. All we said is faith without works is dead, then why don't you agree that?
You talked craftily about gold which is not a living thing. I will talk to you about Noah. By Faith Noah built an ark but by faith he didn't simply sit. He did built an ark and the people around him were saying if he's nuts and in the same way grace preachers may mock true believers by saying everything is free and you don't have to do anything but simply sit but this guy is devoting his time to the Lord and he's nuts
Another excuse of grace preachers. Even reading the bible is work. My goodness. How do we know Jesus? Not through the word? If that was why would the apostles spend sleepless night to pen down the revelations of God??
And also every person who are against these grace preachers do believe that by grace we are saved through faith because if it was not that then 15 mins of googling would be enough for us to be led astray but it's the grace of God and faith in action sustains every believer to be in relationship with Christ and wait for His return
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Gregg
Member
Salvation is a one time event entered into by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God.
'Departing from the living God' means withdrawing from or standing aloof from the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not apostasy; but neither is it going in the right direction.
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Poster Jonahmano do you have any links to these Grace Preachers with some quotes to corroborate your claims ?