It is the spirit of God and all of his Holiness and Wonder. Who can describe such a love.
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Losing Salvation after getting saved?
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It is the spirit of God and all of his Holiness and Wonder. Who can describe such a love.
Yes,a person who has truly asked God into their life at some point will go to heaven if they fall away.But who knows what those rewards represent?It could be a huge issue to lose rewards.We do not know for sure until we get there.
It is the spirit of God and all of his Holiness and Wonder. Who can describe such a love.
The Holy Spirit?Judgment?
Yup, it's the Holy Spirit working within us convicting us of righteousness. One of his main goals is to mold us more and more into the image of Christ.
white hamster
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Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Fire can be used in the sense of testing, or proving, like gold is tested for purity by fire.
That meaning is very clear in 1 Cor 3:14-15. I don't see how anyone wouldn't agree with those verses. v.14 clearly talks about loss, but v.15 clearly says they will be saved. I wonder how the non-OSASers will respond to that?
This says it all. How in the world could anyone claim that the free gift of eternal life can be revoked?
Yes,like an indian giver.God is not an indian giver.
JLB - Jethro Bodine What are your thoughts on Eph 1:13-14, 1 Cor 3:15 and Rom 11:29.
FreeGrace It gets better. Rom 11:29 speaks of a certain people, the election! And the election are those born again under grace.
Rom 11:28-29 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable
Rom 11:5-6 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Rom 11:28-29 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable
Rom 11:5-6 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
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We do know Kathi, It IS a huge issue to lose rewards. Just take the reign for instance, we can't even imagine what it is to reign with a perfect King ,let alone live with Him. To not only live with Him But Reign with a perfect King. It is beyond imagination, it is ours for the taking, and we can LOSE it. It is a HUGE issue. and that is not to mention all the other rewards and blessings for those that love Him.
Me registered tribal Indian, so don’t give me problems about my choice of clichés. HOW kemo sabe, or my faithful friend, and if others wanna twist words I might bring out the old Red Skin metaphor.
God ain’t no Indian giver! Rom 6:23 . . the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, and I sure like Rom 11:29 that Sister white hamster brought out. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable).
I once worked as the bait boy on a professional tuna boat, and at certain times I was given the task of steering the boat; oh boy, I’m the captain of this ship. What? Isn’t it God that does the work in us to will, and to do of His good pleasure? Can He fail?
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life (Conditional); and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption (That time we receive the fullness of our salvation when we’ll not even be in the presence of sin).
Now none can pluck us out of our Father’s hand, we were given to Jesus by our Father, and no one can pluck us out of Jesus’ hand, and the Holy Spirit has sealed us until we’re face to face with Him who loved us enough to die for us.
Oh, but I can leave God’s hand? Are you one that can pluck yourself from the hand that paid such a price. I’d sure hate to think I had that little faith in the strength of my LORD to keep me. 2 Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny himself. We are the “Himself”, His very body He cannot deny.
I know it sounds silly Kathi, and some say its a matter of semantics, but Gods word does not say we ask God into our lives. He says "come to me" A spiritually dead person does not ask God to come into their depraved lives and Heart. He asks us to come to Him.
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. John 6:37 NASB
Gods word is exact and we don't "ask God to come to us" or " ask Him into our depraved heart." He asks us to Come to Him and believe on Him.
John 6:47 NASB~~"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
white hamster
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Just to clarify , "Indian giver". It isn't a pejorative that intended to insult the tribal people. It was a reference to the whites who would give and then revoke every treaty made with the people.
And true, if God can strip a person of their salvation how is it he called them to him in the first place just to take it back later?
And true, if God can strip a person of their salvation how is it he called them to him in the first place just to take it back later?
Jethro Bodine
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Yes, one more. Why isn't Matthew 18:23-35 NASB verses that say salvation can be lost???? He was forgiven, and then he had his debt reinstated. Remember, you said your doctrine is the one that takes the plain words of scripture for what they say, and mine does not.
Correct. A willful lifestyle of unrepentant sin is what walking away from the free gift of God's forgiveness looks like.
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It means that anyone who does not inherit the kingdom will not be granted access into God's Kingdom.
Unless you can find the words loss of rewards in this statement that Jesus made to those WHO DID NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM.
'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Where in this verse do you see the words loss of rewards?
Burning in hell is no loss of rewards, it is the loss of your salvation!
JLB
What are your thoughts on these JLB. Do you know who the elect are and what the definition of irrevocable is and what God's Grace looks like?
Rom 11:28-29 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable
Rom 11:5-6 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Jethro Bodine
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How is losing the free gift of forgiveness not losing the free gift of salvation?
Honestly, they were plainly refuted with scripture. Plainly.
Supposedly, somewhere in scripture there is this place between the inheritance and the lake of fire where disobedient, even Christ denying, former believers go. A place a lot of those 'believers' are
That's funny.
Wait, wait, wait.......you just said no one has even tried to.
(Edited, ToS 2.4. Obadiah)
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