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Luke 7:30 examples of those who reject the purpose of God for themselves

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This verse is a very curious one for those who tend to believe that we cannot miss the purpose or call of God. What will are usually offered is a long list of those in the scripture who were called for a purpose and fulfilled that purpose and from that it is assumed that all who are saved are called and cannot miss that calling. Of course, if you look at WHAT they were called to do, it is never to be saved and that is it. They are not even called to be saved, frankly speaking. But never mind that one, this verse says that these kinds missed or rejected the purpose of God for themselves.

Why did they miss it? Because at that point in history, these ones described did not receive the teaching of John the Baptist and repented and submitted to that teaching in baptism. They rejected the Word of God to the people at that point in time. They did not receive it. When one humbles oneself, one receives grace and those who had received and submitted received grace as a result. Hence when Jesus came, they could recognize and receive his message. But those who had refused to receive that humbling message, did not have the grace to receive and missed God's purpose for themselves, it says. Did this depend upon God? No, it depended upon their refusal to humble themselves and receive the truth.

How do we know it was their choice and not God's? When these came to John to be baptized he said, "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt 7:3 You see they wanted the security but were unwilling to receive the teaching of repentance that God requires. (The ceremony is nothing, the heart is everything.) So we see it is their lack of receiving the whole teaching of repentance from sin. That was their choice, not God's.

The easiest way to think of these things is that we have our vital but insufficient part and God has his mightier and necessary part. God does not do it all and neither do we. It is called relationship and it is there from the first step.
 
How do we know it was their choice and not God's? When these came to John to be baptized he said, "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt 7:3 You see they wanted the security but were unwilling to receive the teaching of repentance that God requires. (The ceremony is nothing, the heart is everything.) So we see it is their lack of receiving the whole teaching of repentance from sin. That was their choice, not God's.
That is the doctrine of Total Inability (or Total Depravity). As John 3:19-20 states, sinful men will not “come to the light”, and as John 6:44 states “unless the Father draws them”. You have provided an excellent illustration of even the MOST RELIGIOUS MEN IN THE WORLD being incapable of salvation without the Irresistible Draw of God (as described in Ephesians 2:1-10).
 
This verse is a very curious one for those who tend to believe that we cannot miss the purpose or call of God. What will are usually offered is a long list of those in the scripture who were called for a purpose and fulfilled that purpose and from that it is assumed that all who are saved are called and cannot miss that calling. Of course, if you look at WHAT they were called to do, it is never to be saved and that is it. They are not even called to be saved, frankly speaking. But never mind that one, this verse says that these kinds missed or rejected the purpose of God for themselves.

Why did they miss it? Because at that point in history, these ones described did not receive the teaching of John the Baptist and repented and submitted to that teaching in baptism. They rejected the Word of God to the people at that point in time. They did not receive it. When one humbles oneself, one receives grace and those who had received and submitted received grace as a result. Hence when Jesus came, they could recognize and receive his message. But those who had refused to receive that humbling message, did not have the grace to receive and missed God's purpose for themselves, it says. Did this depend upon God? No, it depended upon their refusal to humble themselves and receive the truth.

How do we know it was their choice and not God's? When these came to John to be baptized he said, "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt 7:3 You see they wanted the security but were unwilling to receive the teaching of repentance that God requires. (The ceremony is nothing, the heart is everything.) So we see it is their lack of receiving the whole teaching of repentance from sin. That was their choice, not God's.

The easiest way to think of these things is that we have our vital but insufficient part and God has his mightier and necessary part. God does not do it all and neither do we. It is called relationship and it is there from the first step.
They didnt reject Gods purpose for them, they actually fulfilled it. Also only the regenerated can be humble before God, the natural man in the flesh cannot submit to God, cant please God Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
That is the doctrine of Total Inability (or Total Depravity). As John 3:19-20 states, sinful men will not “come to the light”, and as John 6:44 states “unless the Father draws them”. You have provided an excellent illustration of even the MOST RELIGIOUS MEN IN THE WORLD being incapable of salvation without the Irresistible Draw of God (as described in Ephesians 2:1-10).
Correct, No one can choose God or Jesus Christ on their own, or by their own freewill, hence all men are at the mercy of Gods Grace and Spirit, without God providing man the Spiritual ability by New Birth, men are hopelessly lost in sin !
 
They didnt reject Gods purpose for them, they actually fulfilled it. Also only the regenerated can be humble before God, the natural man in the flesh cannot submit to God, cant please God Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Only a Calvinist thinks God is so cruel as to purpose people to fail and go to hell.
 
Correct, No one can choose God or Jesus Christ on their own, or by their own freewill, hence all men are at the mercy of Gods Grace and Spirit, without God providing man the Spiritual ability by New Birth, men are hopelessly lost in sin !
I am dumbstruck. That is the most erroneous statement I have ever read in all my life. Jesus died for the sinner, and as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, he died for everyone. He died for the whole world. Whosoever will come.

Would you like to correct what you just wrote?
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I am dumbstruck. That is the most erroneous statement I have ever read in all my life. Jesus died for the sinner, and as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, he died for everyone. He died for the whole world. Whosoever will come.

Would you like to correct what you just wrote?
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Oh no, what I have stated friend is true, and you reject it to your eternal peril, may God be pleased to grant you repentance for His Great Mercy Sake !
 
Oh no, what I have stated friend is true, and you reject it to your eternal peril, may God be pleased to grant you repentance for His Great Mercy Sake !
You’re a Calvinist. Hence you believe it doesn’t matter if he rejects your theology or not. For you, he’s doomed before the foundation of the world or lucky from the foundation of the world. That’s a totally idle threat.
 
I am dumbstruck. That is the most erroneous statement I have ever read in all my life. Jesus died for the sinner, and as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, he died for everyone. He died for the whole world. Whosoever will come.

Would you like to correct what you just wrote?
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This is what Calvinists believe. He’s not an overseer of the Calvinist thread for no reason. The overseer is the local expert, one would expect.
 
This is what Calvinists believe. He’s not an overseer of the Calvinist thread for no reason. The overseer is the local expert, one would expect.
I suspect that the OVERSEER is more like someone serving on a jury … not necessarily the most qualified person in the community, but someone that was willing and available to serve.
 
Oh no, what I have stated friend is true, and you reject it to your eternal peril, may God be pleased to grant you repentance for His Great Mercy Sake !
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Listen. The Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God, and you say we do not have free will.

Get real.
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Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Listen. The Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God, and you say we do not have free will.

Get real.
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Total Depravity (definition): a state of corruption due to original sin held in Calvinism to infect every part of man's nature and to make the natural man unable to know or obey God. - Merriam-Webster Dictionary

“Calvinism” (more properly, “Reformed Theology” or the “Doctrines of Grace”) advocate the doctrine of Total Depravity, which does not deny free will by all definitions of that term, but merely “libertine free will” (free will without the influence of a fallen nature and original sin). Thus your illustration of people refusing to obey God is EXACTLY what Total Depravity claims is the problem with all people apart from the supernatural working of God (as in John 6:44 where God DRAWS, or Ephesians 2:8-9 where faith/grace/saved is a GIFT that God gives).
 
Total Depravity (definition): a state of corruption due to original sin held in Calvinism to infect every part of man's nature and to make the natural man unable to know or obey God. - Merriam-Webster Dictionary

“Calvinism” (more properly, “Reformed Theology” or the “Doctrines of Grace”) advocate the doctrine of Total Depravity, which does not deny free will by all definitions of that term, but merely “libertine free will” (free will without the influence of a fallen nature and original sin). Thus your illustration of people refusing to obey God is EXACTLY what Total Depravity claims is the problem with all people apart from the supernatural working of God (as in John 6:44 where God DRAWS, or Ephesians 2:8-9 where faith/grace/saved is a GIFT that God gives).
I cannot remember the passage, but isn't the Holy Spirit blowing like the wind over the earth, seeking?
 
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I cannot remember the passage, but isn't the Holy Spirit blowing like the wind over the earth, seeking?
Well, even in the OT it says, “the eyes of the Lord go to and fro throughout the earth that they might find the one whose heart is completely his” so that sounds like that.
 
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