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Mark Of The Beast Is Islam?

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Revelation 14:9-10 (New International Version)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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It is clear that the mark on the forehead or on the hand refers to the masculine and feminine aspects of a very domineering religion such as Islam. If the ‘beast’ were of the Islamic faith then there would need to be a strict differentiation between the placement of the male mark and the female mark. The male mark would be on the forehead to denote the superior role of the male and the mark on the hand would be for the female to accentuate her subservient role. To me it is clear the beast will emerge from the Islamic faith and the mark could, in essence, be representative of Allah.

God Bless Those Who Are Saved By Jesus Christ
Matt
 
Revelation 14:9-10 (New International Version)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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It is clear that the mark on the forehead or on the hand refers to the masculine and feminine aspects of a very domineering religion such as Islam. If the ‘beast’ were of the Islamic faith then there would need to be a strict differentiation between the placement of the male mark and the female mark. The male mark would be on the forehead to denote the superior role of the male and the mark on the hand would be for the female to accentuate her subservient role. To me it is clear the beast will emerge from the Islamic faith and the mark could, in essence, be representative of Allah.

God Bless Those Who Are Saved By Jesus Christ
Matt

So you're saying the mark of the beast is the entire religion of Islam?

LOLZ!

Um.....so....what does Allah's mark look like Matt?

Is it the crescent and star?

Is that the mark of the beast?


Doc.
 
I'm not too familiar with the Islam faith, but the anti-christ will bring people's focus onto himself and not to God, or in this case Allah. I would assume that if anti-christ would, (and that's a big IF) rise from a religious nation that it would be Israel, since He will proclaim to be the Jewish Messaiah. Just my thoughts.
 
I'm not too familiar with the Islam faith, but the anti-christ will bring people's focus onto himself and not to God, or in this case Allah. I would assume that if anti-christ would, (and that's a big IF) rise from a religious nation that it would be Israel, since He will proclaim to be the Jewish Messaiah. Just my thoughts.

Interesting that you mention Isreal and the coming fake jewish messiah antichrist.

Look what I found regarding the Star of Remphan.

The six-pointed star is considered by occultists to be the Star of Bethlehem which will precede the Advent of the False Christ.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days...shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven..." (Matt. 24:29-30)

"The Star is the symbol of the perfect life, the perfect balance, of the Christ-man. The six-pointed star is the Star of Bethlehem, which again means the Star of the Son of man...

"The star with the six points represents the star of Light...of brotherhood, the Star of Christ. The love of Christ is represented by this Star. So, we have in that symbol a representation of the Ancient Wisdom, and the love of Christ, the wisdom and love combined, which is to be realized by humanity in this New Age - the age of Aquarius." - GaiaMind

We know the the six pointed star is NOT a jewish symbol but rather a symbol of the Isrealites APOSTACY.

5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness
forty years, O house of Israel?

5:26 But ye have born the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your
images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus,
saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

Interesting.

Anyone else got any thoughts?​
 
Revelation 14:9-10 (New International Version)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

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It is clear that the mark on the forehead or on the hand refers to the masculine and feminine aspects of a very domineering religion such as Islam. If the ‘beast’ were of the Islamic faith then there would need to be a strict differentiation between the placement of the male mark and the female mark. The male mark would be on the forehead to denote the superior role of the male and the mark on the hand would be for the female to accentuate her subservient role. To me it is clear the beast will emerge from the Islamic faith and the mark could, in essence, be representative of Allah.

God Bless Those Who Are Saved By Jesus Christ
Matt

For those of us like me, who are not up on these endless arguments about end times, would you mind explaining how "It is clear that the mark on the forehead or on the hand refers to the masculine and feminine aspects of... Islam"? The only references you cite are the one Bible passage (which doesn't seem to say this very clearly at all), and your own opinion, for which you don't even state a basis.

By the way, I'm not Islamic or defending Islam. I just don't understand your logic in a very condemning and seemingly baseless (to the average guy like me anyway) statement.
 
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To the Christian who is IN THE LIGHT there will be NO INDIVIDUAL MAN as 'Thee' Anti-Christ.

Why NOT?

Because we are commanded to LOVE our fellow mankind, ALL. IF an individual MAN is 'Thee' AC, we are not commanded to love the AC.

The anti-Christ is A SPIRIT, not a man. And as such a spirit it is in MANY MEN. Yet we remain with the commandment to love ALL MANKIND.

We are to SPEAK EVIL of NO MAN. (Titus 3:2)

We are to call NO MAN common or unclean (Acts 10:28)

ALL mankind are taught to be GODS OFFSPRINGs, (Acts 17:28-29)

The anti-Christ spirit is A SPIRIT AGAINST/RESISTING GOD who sits in the Temples of mens BODIES and MINDS.

That 'spirit' will NOT be an individual MAN. It will NEVER happen. Those looking for such a MAN may be surprised to find THAT spirit sitting in THEIR OWN TEMPLE, that is THEIR MIND AND BODY.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I do not blame the believers of Islam for MISTAKING the 'works' of the west for the people therein to be SATANIC. One brief look at our PRODUCE will openly display THE WORKS OF SATAN. But this is NOT SATAN, only the WORKS of Satan.

When people KILL each others, THEY ARE slaves OF SATAN. This still does not MAKE such Satan, but his SLAVES showing Satan's WORKS in themselves.

Islam believes they are LAWFUL. On the 'exterior' this appears to them TO BE SO. They all BOW...to God. They all PRAY to God.

What they cannot see however is that NO AMOUNT of external obedience MAKES THAT PERSON lawful. All men have indwelling sin, even when the works of same are NOT APPARENT on the OUTSIDE.

The Law is for THE LAWLESS. When a MAN bows TO LAW they do so because they are LAWLESS and their EXTERNAL LAWLESSNESS, left UNchecked, WILL control them. In the LAW we 'attempt' to keep OUR OWN LAWLESSNESS in check, but it is there, nevertheless. No amount of LAWFULNESS will BEAT OUT this existence of lawlessness. It only keeps that working IN CHECK.

All nations have LAWS to keep LAWLESSNESS in check. God has in fact ORDAINED such authorities by their respective divisions in countries and nations.

It is GOD who has DIVIDED the nations to keep the LAWLESSNESS in ALL MEN in check.

There will be no COALITION of the WORLD allowed by God. HE will keep the lawlessness in ALL mankind IN DIVISIONS until the END.

Even in Islam, they also have their respective DIVISIONS. This too is OF GOD.

When a nation is overcome and RIPE with EVIL, God raises OTHER NATIONS against them.

Nation shall rise against nation and kingdom shall rise against kingdom. This is slated from Above, it has happened and will continue to happen.

Scriptures have MORE to say in these matters than meets the eye. NO, the MARK of the BEAST is not ISLAM.

In Islam God has raised a DIFFERENT FORM of DENIAL. No amount of LAW or external LAWFULNESS can put LOVE in the heart of mankind for one another.

Only GOD can do that.

Those in Islam who LOVE their neighbors as themselves, GOD LIVES in their hearts as well.

Those who do RIGHT in Islam, GOD LIVES in their hearts as well.

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

1 John 2:
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:

-->Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; -->nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

enjoy!

smaller

 
the anti-christ is a he not a spirit , smaller you misread the verse that states this.

1 john 4:3 it says a spirit of an antichrist. not saying that is theres a big spirit of the anti-christ.


and it says this plainly

from 1 john 2:18
"little children, it is the last time, and ye have heard that antichrist shall come even now are there many anti-christs whereby we know that it is the last time"

take note of that the last time. one unifying man who does what the others like these couldnt do

antioichus ephines
hitler
stalin
and also nero, minerva
and a host of roman leaders who persecuted christains and sought world domination.
 
the anti-christ is a he not a spirit , smaller you misread the verse that states this.

1 john 4:3 it says a spirit of an antichrist. not saying that is theres a big spirit of the anti-christ.


and it says this plainly

from 1 john 2:18
"little children, it is the last time, and ye have heard that antichrist shall come even now are there many anti-christs whereby we know that it is the last time"

take note of that the last time. one unifying man who does what the others like these couldnt do

antioichus ephines
hitler
stalin
and also nero, minerva
and a host of roman leaders who persecuted christains and sought world domination.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You look at 'MEN' and you do not SEE the SPIRIT CAPTOR of those same MEN. They were SLAVES of that CAPTURING SPIRIT, just as ALL are who are BLINDED by the 'god of this world' upon their MINDS.

The anti-Christ spirit IS SATAN, not the captured flesh and minds of same.

s
 
Smaller, are you a Universalist type? are you saying even Muslims who do not renounce Islam and follow "THE LAW" will receive salvation? Im just curious.

I read the words of the Apostle of God in Jesus Christ, John, and cited same for what THEY SAY. I believe those words.

Judgment is sure, right, just and very very real.

Every vessel of honour will receive DIVINE MERCY.

Every vessel of dishonour will receive ETERNAL WRATH.

God presently ENDURES the later and these too serve His Purposes IN JUDGMENT.

There are captives of Satan in Islam, in Christianity, in Judaism and in the 'whole world.'

God is PROVEN to be in ALL who LOVE their neighbors as themselves.

Those who do not LOVE or DO RIGHT are IN DEATH, even as they are walking about and making claims to the contrary.

For men to find proper JUDGMENT, they would do themselves well to look inside THEIR OWN CUP before judging OTHER cups, as THAT is where EVIL originates from.

An external legally obedient man does NOT a LOVER of their neighbors make. Such can still be RAGING MURDERERS of their neighbors within their hearts. This is a man captured within by Satan therein.

Legal on the outside, SATAN on the inside.

s
 
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

You look at 'MEN' and you do not SEE the SPIRIT CAPTOR of those same MEN. They were SLAVES of that CAPTURING SPIRIT, just as ALL are who are BLINDED by the 'god of this world' upon their MINDS.

The anti-Christ spirit IS SATAN, not the captured flesh and minds of same.

s

then why does the bible say that satan cast into gehenna where the BEAST, aka the ac. is and the false prophet?
and what of the mentioning paul and the lord saying that the temple will be built and the abomonation of desolation. that a place not a person's heart.
 
then why does the bible say that satan cast into gehenna where the BEAST, aka the ac. is and the false prophet?

Jesus came precisely for this purpose:

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

and his WORKS:

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

and what of the mentioning paul and the lord saying that the temple will be built and the abomonation of desolation. that a place not a person's heart.

Mark 14:58
We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Jesus Builds with LIVELY STONES.

Eph. 2:
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

No writing of Paul speaks of any temple rebuilding of the nation of Israel sort. IF they do or don't it won't matter.

God does not dwell in temples made by hand. (Acts 17:24)

s
 
Those in Islam who LOVE their neighbors as themselves, GOD LIVES in their hearts as well.

Those who do RIGHT in Islam, GOD LIVES in their hearts as well.

The Bible states otherwise.

Psalm 53:2-3
"God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; He looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one."

Luke 18:19
"...No one is good—except God alone."

Revelation 3:20
"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock...."


How can any unbeliever have good inside? How can any unbeliever do good? How can any unbeliever do right?

Zechariah 4:6
"So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty."

There is no good apart from God. If there is a religious unbeliever who is pious it's nothing more than self-righteousness. If there is a religious man who loves it is nothing more than worldly love. Religious unbelievers do not produce the fruits of the Spirit in their actions. If a religious unbeliever shows kindness it is worldly kindness. If a religious unbeliever does have Godly kindness or love on the day of judgement he still cannot take credit for it! We as Christians will be pushing one another over (just kidding ;)) to give the glory and credit of our goodness to the Lord Jesus. The religious unbeliever will be trying to use it to escape the consequences of his sins.

Also, the Bible states that Jesus knocks on the door of people's hearts asking to come in. The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. Unless, invited in He will NOT come in. Can the Holy Spirit rest over an unbeliever. Yes. However, He CANNOT indwell them.

Lastly, jason and small, you are both right! The Anti-Christ is a spirit who will one day indwell the body of a man. The whole intention is to mock the Trinity. To mock the very sacredness of our Godhead.

Satan (The spirit of the Anti-Christ) = The mocking of God the Father
The Anti-Christ (The Anti-Christ come in the flesh) = The mocking of Jesus Christ
The Anti-Christ's Helper (The source of the Anti-Christ's "power") = The mocking of the Holy Spirit
 
The Bible states otherwise.

Psalm 53:2-3
"God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; He looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one."

Luke 18:19
"...No one is good—except God alone."

Revelation 3:20
"Here I am! I stand at the door and knock...."


How can any unbeliever have good inside? How can any unbeliever do good? How can any unbeliever do right?

When GOD LIVES in them and loves IN THEM. Good works are seen as REDEMPTIVE works of GOD, even in UNbelievers by many orthodox standards.
Zechariah 4:6
"So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty."

There is no good apart from God.

Correct.

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

LOVE in any person is CERTAINLY and without QUESTION a GOOD GIFT from above.
If there is a religious unbeliever who is pious it's nothing more than self-righteousness.

Not so. Being pious is also a good gift. God has nothing against GOOD FRUIT in ANY in whom it is located and shown.
If there is a religious man who loves it is nothing more than worldly love.

IF any person loves their neighbors as themselves THEY ARE fulfilling the commands of the Gospel.

One can not separate GOD from LOVE. One can however write Jesus across their lips and NOT HAVE ANY love. There is 'nothing.'
Religious unbelievers do not produce the fruits of the Spirit in their actions.

There is NO LAW against these workings NOR is The Spirit against THE WORKINGS of the SPIRIT.

Gal. 5:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
If a religious unbeliever shows kindness it is worldly kindness. If a religious unbeliever does have Godly kindness or love on the day of judgement he still cannot take credit for it!

They don't have to take 'credit' for it. The gifts are from ABOVE. God is NOT against the WORKS of the SPIRIT and the FRUIT thereof.
We as Christians will be pushing one another over (just kidding ;)) to give the glory and credit of our goodness to the Lord Jesus. The religious unbeliever will be trying to use it to escape the consequences of his sins.

Unbelievers are blinded by the 'god of this world.' (2 Cor. 4:4) I have no use in blaming BLIND people. Do you? What 'good' is THAT?

Also, the Bible states that Jesus knocks on the door of people's hearts asking to come in. The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. Unless, invited in He will NOT come in. Can the Holy Spirit rest over an unbeliever. Yes. However, He CANNOT indwell them.

Yeah, that same God in Christ 'knocked' Saul to the GROUND and spoke COMMANDS to him. God can do anything HE WANTS with ANYONE. The LIFE of ALL MEN is in HIS HANDS.

You would do well to read Acts 17:23-31 and find that WE ALL 'live and move and have our being' IN HIM, including the UNbelievers.

Lastly, jason and small, you are both right! The Anti-Christ is a spirit who will one day indwell the body of a man. The whole intention is to mock the Trinity. To mock the very sacredness of our Godhead.

Don't get where you see the 'one day' thing from me. I cited John who shows that the anti-Christ spirit was already IN MANKIND and in the WORLD in this thread. There is no 'future single man' that will be 'thee' anti-Christ.

The anti-Christ is A SPIRIT of RESISTANCE to GOD in Christ and was MADE THAT WAY by God from the beginning.
Satan (The spirit of the Anti-Christ) = The mocking of God the Father
The Anti-Christ (The Anti-Christ come in the flesh) = The mocking of Jesus Christ
The Anti-Christ's Helper (The source of the Anti-Christ's "power") = The mocking of the Holy Spirit

There are many such mockers, even in Christiandom. The anti-Christ spirit ALWAYS seeks to KILL THE WORD.

enjoy!

smaller
 
I had always thought that the mark of the beast would have something to do with Universalism...as many.....would be deceived. Even some of those who once bore the Christian label.....

I am not sure I, or anyone else...can truly outright say that someone or a person of a certain RELIGION is going to bring about the mark of the Beast.
 
When GOD LIVES in them and loves IN THEM. Good works are seen as REDEMPTIVE works of GOD, even in UNbelievers by many orthodox standards.

How can God live in an unbeliever? If Muslims invited Jesus Christ into their hearts they would be Christians. MA, was in this thread. Why don't we ask him if He invited Jesus Christ to live in his heart? We both already know the answer.

Good works are from God. If there is no one good but God, than only God can do good works. Christians can do good works because the Holy Spirit does these works through them. Only those who have been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb have been redeemed.


James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

LOVE in any person is CERTAINLY and without QUESTION a GOOD GIFT from above.

The world's definition of love is not God's definition of love. Without the Holy Spirit no one is capable of love. Those unbelievers who have been given Godly love have indeed been given a gift. That doesn't mean their sins have been washed away.


Not so. Being pious is also a good gift. God has nothing against GOOD FRUIT in ANY in whom it is located and shown.

There is no one righteous but God. Christians are given the gift of God's righteousness to clothe their nakedness.

Isaiah 64:6
"All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away."



IF any person loves their neighbors as themselves THEY ARE fulfilling the commands of the Gospel.

According to who's definition of love? God's or man's? Because the Bible says that apart from God man can do no good.

One can not separate GOD from LOVE. One can however write Jesus across their lips and NOT HAVE ANY love. There is 'nothing.'

Exactly. However, God is pure love while the world's love is tainted.


There is NO LAW against these workings NOR is The Spirit against THE WORKINGS of the SPIRIT.

Gal. 5:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Unbelief begets unbelief. How can an unbeliever produce the fruits of a HOLY Spirit?


They don't have to take 'credit' for it. The gifts are from ABOVE. God is NOT against the WORKS of the SPIRIT and the FRUIT thereof.

I never said God was. I said that an unbeliever cannot produce these fruits. You're absolutely right they are only gifts to them.

Unbelievers are blinded by the 'god of this world.' (2 Cor. 4:4) I have no use in blaming BLIND people. Do you? What 'good' is THAT?

Then Jesus was wrong to tell us to go and preach to the people. The Bible explicitly says that the only way to heaven is through the door called Jesus Christ. ALL OTHERS WILL PERISH. God determines one accountability to their understanding of right and wrong before God. Is a grown man who murderers blind by Satan? Yes. Is he still accountable for his sin before God? Yes.

Yeah, that same God in Christ 'knocked' Saul to the GROUND and spoke COMMANDS to him. God can do anything HE WANTS with ANYONE. The LIFE of ALL MEN is in HIS HANDS.

You would do well to read Acts 17:23-31 and find that WE ALL 'live and move and have our being' IN HIM, including the UNbelievers.

Saul invited the Lord Yahweh into his life. Was the Holy Spirit a gentleman when He knocked Paul to the ground and spoke commands to Him? Absolutely. He gave Him eternal life. God never violates man's free will. That goes against His Word.

If unbelievers abide in Christ, then why where the [Israelite] branches cut off from the Vine of Christ?


Don't get where you see the 'one day' thing from me. I cited John who shows that the anti-Christ spirit was already IN MANKIND and in the WORLD in this thread. There is no 'future single man' that will be 'thee' anti-Christ.

The anti-Christ is A SPIRIT of RESISTANCE to GOD in Christ and was MADE THAT WAY by God from the beginning.

This doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't say that one day the antiChrist will not indwell bodily flesh. Denying this denies Scripture. Is he not called the "Son of Perdition"? The "Man of Sin"?

Before we go any further, please answer this, are you a universalist?
 
I had always thought that the mark of the beast would have something to do with Universalism...as many.....would be deceived. Even some of those who once bore the Christian label.....

I am not sure I, or anyone else...can truly outright say that someone or a person of a certain RELIGION is going to bring about the mark of the Beast.

The mark of the beast is not going to allow anyone who doesn't have it the basic necessities of life. Water, Food, Money, etc. This is why so many will fall away. The Bible also says that the beast will be a great deceiver. Those who are not strong in their faith are going to fall away. Why would someone who goes to church on Easter or Christmas want to suffer for a God they do not know?
 
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To answer theLords - at one point in my life, I had "accepted jesus into my heart" - I later came to realize this was a deception.

Regardless of my answer - one thing I can agree with theLords about is that Universalism makes zero sense - at those who try to justify it in any religion have a very weak argument.

Then it's safe to say that you as a Muslim do not have Jesus Christ living in your heart?
 
The mark of the beast is not going to allow anyone who doesn't have it the basic necessities of life. Water, Food, Money, etc. This is why so many will fall away. The Bible also says that the beast will be a great deceiver. Those who are not strong in their faith are going to fall away. Why would someone who goes to church on Easter or Christian want to suffer for a God they do not know?

I understand that... I just do not get how it relates to Islam having to do with the mark of the beast.
 
I understand that... I just do not get how it relates to Islam having to do with the mark of the beast.

Oh, well, that's because this thread has gotten way off topic :lol

I forgot the title of the thread :-P

On, topic, ignoring the Islamic POV. I think the OP was very profound in his theory. Satan despises womankind. The curse in Genesis proves this to us. When he comes in the form of a man, it makes a lot of sense that he would possibly place the mark of the beast on the forehead for man and the hand for woman. (For the OP's reasons.) Satan was the first misogynist.
 
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