Mark of the beast

[Deborah13]

Yeah Deb. Do you think every Christian will be killed during the tribulation ( ops I can't remember if you are full premil )

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 

[JLB]

To be sure, God avenged those saints deaths. The Roman Empire was destroyed.

When was the Roman Empire destroyed?

JLB

 

[Deborah13]

When was the Roman Empire destroyed?

JLB

Well, I'm not history major but I believe this is pretty accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Roman_Empire

 

[JLB]

To be sure, God avenged those saints deaths. The Roman Empire was destroyed.

Deb,

I think what you mean is:

God avenged those saints death by sending the Roman Army and destroying the Temple, which was the seat of Judaism and the persecution of the saints.

JLB

 

[Deborah13]

Deb,

I think what you mean is:

God avenged those saints death by sending the Roman Army and destroying the Temple, which was the seat of Judaism and the persecution of the saints.

JLB

Nope.
That is true that the Roman Armies destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD. That was the destruction of the Mosaic economy.
But the Roman Armies did not pursue the Christians, to my knowledge, they fled to places like Pella.

The persecution of the Christian saints came later in the Roman Empire. Polycarp for instance was burnt at the stake as many were. They were torn apart by wild animals for the amusement of the crowds in the Colosseum.

 

[JLB]

Nope.
That is true that the Roman Armies destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD. That was the destruction of the Mosaic economy.
But the Roman Armies did not pursue the Christians, to my knowledge, they fled to places like Pella.

The persecution of the Christian saints came later in the Roman Empire. Polycarp for instance was burnt at the stake as many were. They were torn apart by wild animals for the amusement of the crowds in the Colosseum.

The Roman Empire survived until the late 1400's.

Do you consider that this was God's direct judgement for them to last so long?


JLB

 

[reba]

The Roman empire collapsed on it self... brings this passage to mind....
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: f

 

[JLB]

The Roman empire collapsed on it self... brings this passage to mind....
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: f

Over 14 Centuries after Christ.

That is not God's judgement.

 

[Deborah13]

The Roman Empire survived until the late 1400's.

Do you consider that this was God's direct judgement for them to last so long?


JLB

I think this is correct as to dates, correct me if I am wrong.

By 500 AD, the Roman Empire split into Western and Eastern. No longer under one emperor. The Western didn't survive long, I think. The Eastern portion under Constantine made major changes, Christianity found favor under him. It's interesting that it survived approximately another 1,000 yrs, I think most historians refer to it as the Byzantine Empire.
But I think once it split it wasn't that same Empire, no matter what it was called. It was longer what it was. Maybe I shouldn't think that but if the USA became USAEast and USAWest with two separate governments, it's no longer 50 states united as one. And then USAWest is broken up even more, it's not the same nation, as a whole it is fallen.

 

[reba]

WOW JLB are you sure you know the mind of God?

Sounds about right Deborah13 ...

 

[jasonc]

I think this is correct as to dates, correct me if I am wrong.

By 500 AD, the Roman Empire split into Western and Eastern. No longer under one emperor. The Western didn't survive long, I think. The Eastern portion under Constantine made major changes, Christianity found favor under him. It's interesting that it survived approximately another 1,000 yrs, I think most historians refer to it as the Byzantine Empire.
But I think once it split it wasn't that same Empire, no matter what it was called. It was longer what it was. Maybe I shouldn't think that but if the USA became USAEast and USAWest with two separate governments, it's no longer 50 states united as one. And then USAWest is broken up even more, it's not the same nation, as a whole it is fallen.

that empire lasted unto ww1 under the name of the ottoman empire.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I think this is correct as to dates, correct me if I am wrong.

...The Eastern portion under Constantine made major changes, Christianity found favor under him......

Christianity did not find favor under Constantine. It was made into a state official required religion without any basis in Scripture and with no requirement to repent of sin and turn to God to live His Life as He directed through Yeshua and all through Scripture, and the authorities persecuted all who would not serve the state religion, putting to death both Jews and gentiles if they did not comply.

 

[Deborah13]

Christianity did not find favor under Constantine. It was made into a state official required religion without any basis in Scripture and with no requirement to repent of sin and turn to God to live His Life as He directed through Yeshua and all through Scripture, and the authorities persecuted all who would not serve the state religion, putting to death both Jews and gentiles if they did not comply.

Source please.

 

[Deborah13]

that empire lasted unto ww1 under the name of the ottoman empire.

The Ottoman Empire (Ottoman Turkish: دَوْلَتِ عَلِيّهٔ عُثمَانِیّه Devlet-i Aliyye-i Osmâniyye, Turkish: Osmanlı İmparatorluğu), sometimes referred to as the Turkish Empire (or by the misnomer Turkey), was an empire founded by Oghuz Turks under Osman Bey in northwestern Anatolia in 1299.[6] With the conquest of Constantinople by Mehmed II in 1453, the Ottoman state was transformed into an empire.[7][8][9]

Islam was the major religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

History. (It's all over the history books and the internet) .... since Martin Luther, hundreds of thousands of people have been set free, maybe millions, from the long deception // from the 'dark ages'.... .... to see a thorough examination, see watchman nee's "God's recovery of truth in the churches" .... it is the most accurate and clearly Scriptural Revelations from Yhwh.
keith green, e.w.bullinger, and many others have also thoroughly disclosed the truth concerning this - it is very widely known.

www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Watchman_Nee.htm
(enjoy 3 years reading greatly ! )…

 

[jasonc]

History. (It's all over the history books and the internet) .... since Martin Luther, hundreds of thousands of people have been set free, maybe millions, from the long deception // from the 'dark ages'.... .... to see a thorough examination, see watchman nee's "God's recovery of truth in the churches" .... it is the most accurate and clearly Scriptural Revelations from Yhwh.
keith green, e.w.bullinger, and many others have also thoroughly disclosed the truth concerning this - it is very widely known.

martin luther didn't want to break away from the rcc he wanted to reform it and well about him. he also would have me and my kin killed . anti semetic Christianity was very much aided by him. he wasn't that way at first but headed that way. and in those days. they had state religions.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

partly correct. yes. still God used him to begin bringing truth back , as published in the link I just edited in.

 

[jasonc]

partly correct. yes. still God used him to begin bringing truth back , as published in the link I just edited in.

I know the history of the protestant reformation but uhm he didn't write nor even put the bible together. the rcc did that and they didn't have the extra books officially until after the reformation. but with protestanism we have what is called the paper pope. people teach what said the pastor about the bible rather then say I say this because of solo scriptura. I use end times arguments here and elsewhere to support that. we all do that to a degree.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

i don't have any idea what that means ... or what it has to do with what God did through many of the reformers starting with Martin Luther.

 

[jasonc]

i don't have any idea what that means ... or what it has to do with what God did through many of the reformers starting with Martin Luther.

it means that the church on both sides can be just as corrupt. the reformers weren't futurists. I read from a man of that era and don't read much commentaries after the 1800's. after that is the whacky futurism. I like adam Clarke. hardly a fan of the rcc, but again the time of the hatred of the rcc and her corruption also did blind men to take things out of context in revalation.