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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Matt 23:1-3 question
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Once again taking one vs. of scripture out of the full context that has already been written. If the Bible we use is so corrupt then why do you quote out of it.
Salt and Light
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
The apostles doctrine is the true word of God being the doctrines of Christ, not the apostles doctrines.
1Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
The house of God is not made by hands or a building with a name on it. All who are in Christ and He in them are the Temple of God.
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Act 7:47 But Solomon built him an house.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
What does that mean, not formally?
I know you like to come against Protestants calling then heretics and this needs to stop. You are in a Christian forum and not a Catholic forum, but yet stovebolts made a section just for Catholics as well as other different religions to give them a place to discuss the Catholic faith.
The word catholic does mean universal as defined by Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrnaeans around 110AD who was a second century church father. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit nor any of the Apostles ever use the word catholic.
Ephesians 2:8-9 needs no interpretation. If you accept it then why do you try to make it fit the CC doctrines.
Ephesians 2:1, 5 the word quicken means to revive or make alive as in giving new life being Spiritually born again from above as we are made alive again in Christ where before we were Spiritually dead, Colossians 3:1-4.dead.
Very good. This is important history.
Charlemagne was a French emperor.
To bad the "Holy Roman Empire" was not holy or Roman or an empire.
Good work.
Excuse me, the church did not write the NT. It was the inspired letters of what God had the Prophets and Apostles to write as only being the true authorized manuscripts given by God's authority to be written.
Since you put down the Protestants and especially the KJV of the Bible we use, what is this other book outside from the Bible do you study from as all the scriptures you have given are from the Bible we use.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why do you refute these verses. Remember what Jesus said to the thief on the cross "today you will be with me in paradises, Luke 23:39-43.
Acceptance and confessing walk hand in hand as acknowledging and or proclaiming something. In this sense it means accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior as you confess He truly is the Son of God.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
It all starts out by faith as being a free gift of God's grace. Do you work for something that is freely given to you. We then become God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Acts 26:18 we are sanctified by faith and now the works God expects of us are to serve others in love and bringing the Gospel of God's grace to all who have ears to hear as faith comes by hearing the word of God preached to you.
Where does scripture authorize a Holy Roman Catholic Church and for that matter Peter being the first Pope.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It wasn't Peter that the Church was built on, but Christ is the rock as being the foundation or cornerstone that the Church (the body of Christ) is built on and no where in scripture does it name the Roman Catholic Church as the one true Church or Protestant Church as the one true Church, but says in Acts 11:26 that the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch as Christ is the foundation of the true Church not made by hands. Acts 1:1-8; 2:1-4 the apostles were instructed to stay in Jerusalem until they received power from God and then they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they could start their journey of being witnesses of Christ to teach others about the kingdom of God through Christ.
There was no apostle greater than another as they all had the same anointing and taught others from their own individual witness of Christ and His teachings as being faithful servants, even as Christ was while here on Earth.
Luke 22:
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
Matthew 8:14 shows that Peter was married and according to the Catholic belief a Pope can not be married so Peter could have never been the first Pope or ever had a procession of Popes after him. Peter never went to Rome to establish the Roman Catholic Church, but wrote his letters to those who were scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1Peter 1:1.
Peter wrote his letters from Babylon (Babylon as being referenced in Rev 17 as the Great Harlot) as Peter spent the last years of his life in Rome as Rome at that time was described as a center of adultery. Peter wrote his letters to the Church (body of Christ and not a building made by hands) possibly around 64AD right before the full outbreak of Christian persecution by the hand of Rome's Nero. Paul's letters were also addressed to all who are beloved of God in Rome. Not the Roman Catholic Church, but those who were beloved of God established by that rock which is Christ Jesus and not Peter. The last chapter of the book of Romans Paul sends greetings to 27 members of the church (the body of Christ), but never mentions Peter. According to the tradition of the Catholic Church of Rome, Peter was there from 42 to 67 AD. Paul wrote the book of Romans around 58 AD. Now if Peter was in Rome from 42 to 67 AD that means by 58 AD that Peter should have been there for about 16 years. Not only that but the Catholic Church tradition tells us that he was the first Pope. Why didn't Paul acknowledge Peter in His writings as being the head of the Catholic Church (Pope) since he was addressing those who were beloved of God that lived there. The reason Paul didn’t mention Peter is because Peter wasn’t there. Peter was crucified by Nero prior to Nero's death in 68 AD. Why would Catholic Rome crucify their own Pope.
Why is the Pope called the Holy Father when God said:
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
The (Pope) claims to have inherited the title Pontifex Maximus (Pontiff) directly from Babylon. Another title is Vicarius Filii Dei meaning in the place of God as he calls himself the Holy Father. I see this as being blasphemy.
There is a big difference between father and Father. fathers are leaders in the church called and under the direction of God, but Father is only given to the Father of all creation.
Someone who deems themself higher over others are no different then the Pharisees that loved to be seen of others having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof Jesus says to turn away from such.
Latin root word for religion is bondage, following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because this Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about a mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ. John 1:1-5; Romans 10:9, 10; John 3:3.
Pharisees supported the scribes and Rabbi's in their interpretation of Jewish law handed down by Moses. There were over 613 Levitical laws, not just Ten Commandments. Man had to add on new laws to justify their own deeds. Notice where I said interpretation, this is how many people read the word. The carnal mind cannot perceive the truth of Gods word so instead of allowing the Holy Spirit, John 14:26, to teach them, they would rather have religion teach them. Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
The Pharisees would separate themselves from society, which did not observe the laws of tithing and rituals. The interpretation of the law became more authorative than the law itself. Matthew 9:13 for I am not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance. Matthew 23:1- 39 Jesus first characterizes the Pharisees and then condemns them and laments over the falling away of the church. John 3:1- 12 Jesus explains to Nicodemus, whom was a Pharisee, what one must do in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Note also Romans 10:9, 10.
Nicodemus, Joseph of Aremathaea (Luke 23:50- 53), and Gamaliel (Acts 5:34- 39) were three Pharisees that believed in Christ, but had to hide it for fear of going against the sect. Paul also was a Pharisee that persecuted Christians to death for the sake of the sect (Acts 22).
Nicodemus, Joseph of Aremathaea (Luke 23:50- 53), and Gamaliel (Acts 5:34- 39) were three Pharisees that believed in Christ, but had to hide it for fear of going against the sect. Paul also was a Pharisee that persecuted Christians to death for the sake of the sect (Acts 22).
Jethro Bodine
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Just so we're clear, I did not post those scriptures. Apparently you meant them as a rebuttal to my post.
But anyway, God does not give you his grace so you can become righteous by acting righteously. You do not become righteous by acting righteously. That is the works gospel condemned in scripture. Catholicism is a works justification gospel. This is one of the main reasons why the Catholic church had to be abandoned. It is a deceitfully disguised works justification religion in which one becomes righteous in God's sight by doing righteous works. Deceitfully disguised because it teaches that it is by God's grace that you are able to act righteous in order to be righteous.
But anyway, God does not give you his grace so you can become righteous by acting righteously. You do not become righteous by acting righteously. That is the works gospel condemned in scripture. Catholicism is a works justification gospel. This is one of the main reasons why the Catholic church had to be abandoned. It is a deceitfully disguised works justification religion in which one becomes righteous in God's sight by doing righteous works. Deceitfully disguised because it teaches that it is by God's grace that you are able to act righteous in order to be righteous.
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The one true church was founded by Christ on Peter Matt 16:18 and conquered the pagan Roman Empire
No faith alone is condemned
Faith and baptism initiation into the new covenant
Eph 2:8 does not say salvation
And it was already past tense when written, were you saved (salvation) 2000 years ago, refers to the redemption of man by Christ apart from us, “not of yourselves”
Thanks
please provide an authoritative source
Or traditional catholic source
Scripture yes!
Scripture alone no!
Scripture yes!
Context ?
Even one word of scripture is still the inspired word of God
And one word of christ is eternal
A Fat sandwich man.
Interpretation / meaning?
A fat man that makes sandwiches:
A man who makes fat sandwiches:
You cannot know the true meaning unless I who write it tell you what it means.
Only the church who wrote scripture can give them proper interpretation / meaning.
No I dont
I don’t make any personal attack
I only obey Jude 1:3 contend for the faith against errors as I see them not against those hold these errors
I thank God for all His light and grace, God knows we all need it!
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