Matt 23:1-3 question

[for_his_glory]

Please provide a List of scripture! And a list the commandments? And a List of the commandment mentioned in Matt 28:20 all from scripture alone?

If this is being addressed to me there are 613 Levitical laws/commandments that God gave for the Jew and Gentile. I'm can list them if you want, but would have to break it down in three different replies.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.​

 

[donadams]

The word catholic does mean universal as defined by Ignatius of Antioch in his letter to the Smyrnaeans around 110AD who was a second century church father. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit nor any of the Apostles ever use the word catholic.

Ephesians 2:8-9 needs no interpretation. If you accept it then why do you try to make it fit the CC doctrines.

Ephesians 2:1, 5 the word quicken means to revive or make alive as in giving new life being Spiritually born again from above as we are made alive again in Christ where before we were Spiritually dead, Colossians 3:1-4.dead.

Eph 2:8 not of yourselves so it must be something Christ has done, what could it be? Hum?
Already accomplished without us… must be the redemption of mankind!

How did Christ make us alive?

 

[donadams]

Excuse me, the church did not write the NT. It was the inspired letters of what God had the Prophets and Apostles to write as only being the true authorized manuscripts given by God's authority to be written.

Since you put down the Protestants and especially the KJV of the Bible we use, what is this other book outside from the Bible do you study from as all the scriptures you have given are from the Bible we use.

I did not say the church inspired the scripture but wrote them and taught them

I use the kjv and did not put it down (why the bunker mentality?)
I only asked what was a good version or authoritative before it, since it did not come about till 1600’s

I conform to the majority belief on here which is the Bible alone so I don’t usually quote from alm 73 books or the church fathers

 

[donadams]

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why do you refute these verses. Remember what Jesus said to the thief on the cross "today you will be with me in paradises, Luke 23:39-43.

Acceptance and confessing walk hand in hand as acknowledging and or proclaiming something. In this sense it means accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior as you confess He truly is the Son of God.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I don’t refute them, only your understanding of them

And we must know the initiation into the new covenant is not “faith alone” but faith and baptism

And no one is saved until the end
Matt 24:13 rom 13:11 rom 2:5-7

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Thanks

 

[for_his_glory]

Explain Matt 5:14
1 Tim 3:15
Question who is the beloved disciple?

You need to answer my question in post #139 since you quote out of the NKJV.

Still nothing about the Catholic Church being the true church in those two scriptures so please quit adding to those verses.

Those who are the salt of the earth are those who are truly in Christ and He in them by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that takes the doctrines of Christ out into the in all truths. Big difference between the doctrines of one's church then the doctrines of Christ. Read about the seven churches in Rev 2-3 as each one needed correction except for the true Church of Philadelphia

 

[donadams]

It all starts out by faith as being a free gift of God's grace. Do you work for something that is freely given to you. We then become God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Acts 26:18 we are sanctified by faith and now the works God expects of us are to serve others in love and bringing the Gospel of God's grace to all who have ears to hear as faith comes by hearing the word of God preached to you.

Baptism is part of what we must believe
How does the eunuch know about baptism in acts 8?

 

[for_his_glory]

I did not say the church inspired the scripture but wrote them and taught them

I use the kjv and did not put it down (why the bunker mentality?)
I only asked what was a good version or authoritative before it, since it did not come about till 1600’s

I conform to the majority belief on here which is the Bible alone so I don’t usually quote from alm 73 books or the church fathers

Again, define what you mean by the church who wrote the scriptures as scriptures were transcribed from the letters of the Prophets and Apostles to the congregation of the Lord., including Luke

 

[for_his_glory]

Baptism is part of what we must believe
How does the eunuch know about baptism in acts 8?

That is a whole different thread as we have derailed this thread in which I to am guilty of.

 

[donadams]

Where does scripture authorize a Holy Roman Catholic Church and for that matter Peter being the first Pope.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It wasn't Peter that the Church was built on, but Christ is the rock as being the foundation or cornerstone that the Church (the body of Christ) is built on and no where in scripture does it name the Roman Catholic Church as the one true Church or Protestant Church as the one true Church, but says in Acts 11:26 that the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch as Christ is the foundation of the true Church not made by hands. Acts 1:1-8; 2:1-4 the apostles were instructed to stay in Jerusalem until they received power from God and then they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they could start their journey of being witnesses of Christ to teach others about the kingdom of God through Christ.

There was no apostle greater than another as they all had the same anointing and taught others from their own individual witness of Christ and His teachings as being faithful servants, even as Christ was while here on Earth.
Luke 22:
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Matthew 8:14 shows that Peter was married and according to the Catholic belief a Pope can not be married so Peter could have never been the first Pope or ever had a procession of Popes after him. Peter never went to Rome to establish the Roman Catholic Church, but wrote his letters to those who were scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1Peter 1:1.

Peter wrote his letters from Babylon (Babylon as being referenced in Rev 17 as the Great Harlot) as Peter spent the last years of his life in Rome as Rome at that time was described as a center of adultery. Peter wrote his letters to the Church (body of Christ and not a building made by hands) possibly around 64AD right before the full outbreak of Christian persecution by the hand of Rome's Nero. Paul's letters were also addressed to all who are beloved of God in Rome. Not the Roman Catholic Church, but those who were beloved of God established by that rock which is Christ Jesus and not Peter. The last chapter of the book of Romans Paul sends greetings to 27 members of the church (the body of Christ), but never mentions Peter. According to the tradition of the Catholic Church of Rome, Peter was there from 42 to 67 AD. Paul wrote the book of Romans around 58 AD. Now if Peter was in Rome from 42 to 67 AD that means by 58 AD that Peter should have been there for about 16 years. Not only that but the Catholic Church tradition tells us that he was the first Pope. Why didn't Paul acknowledge Peter in His writings as being the head of the Catholic Church (Pope) since he was addressing those who were beloved of God that lived there. The reason Paul didn’t mention Peter is because Peter wasn’t there. Peter was crucified by Nero prior to Nero's death in 68 AD. Why would Catholic Rome crucify their own Pope.

Is Christ king?

 

[donadams]

Where does scripture authorize a Holy Roman Catholic Church and for that matter Peter being the first Pope.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It wasn't Peter that the Church was built on, but Christ is the rock as being the foundation or cornerstone that the Church (the body of Christ) is built on and no where in scripture does it name the Roman Catholic Church as the one true Church or Protestant Church as the one true Church, but says in Acts 11:26 that the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch as Christ is the foundation of the true Church not made by hands. Acts 1:1-8; 2:1-4 the apostles were instructed to stay in Jerusalem until they received power from God and then they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they could start their journey of being witnesses of Christ to teach others about the kingdom of God through Christ.

There was no apostle greater than another as they all had the same anointing and taught others from their own individual witness of Christ and His teachings as being faithful servants, even as Christ was while here on Earth.
Luke 22:
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Matthew 8:14 shows that Peter was married and according to the Catholic belief a Pope can not be married so Peter could have never been the first Pope or ever had a procession of Popes after him. Peter never went to Rome to establish the Roman Catholic Church, but wrote his letters to those who were scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 1Peter 1:1.

Peter wrote his letters from Babylon (Babylon as being referenced in Rev 17 as the Great Harlot) as Peter spent the last years of his life in Rome as Rome at that time was described as a center of adultery. Peter wrote his letters to the Church (body of Christ and not a building made by hands) possibly around 64AD right before the full outbreak of Christian persecution by the hand of Rome's Nero. Paul's letters were also addressed to all who are beloved of God in Rome. Not the Roman Catholic Church, but those who were beloved of God established by that rock which is Christ Jesus and not Peter. The last chapter of the book of Romans Paul sends greetings to 27 members of the church (the body of Christ), but never mentions Peter. According to the tradition of the Catholic Church of Rome, Peter was there from 42 to 67 AD. Paul wrote the book of Romans around 58 AD. Now if Peter was in Rome from 42 to 67 AD that means by 58 AD that Peter should have been there for about 16 years. Not only that but the Catholic Church tradition tells us that he was the first Pope. Why didn't Paul acknowledge Peter in His writings as being the head of the Catholic Church (Pope) since he was addressing those who were beloved of God that lived there. The reason Paul didn’t mention Peter is because Peter wasn’t there. Peter was crucified by Nero prior to Nero's death in 68 AD. Why would Catholic Rome crucify their own Pope.

That don’t answer the question???
Where does scripture authorize a reformation?

 

[donadams]

Why is the Pope called the Holy Father when God said:

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

The (Pope) claims to have inherited the title Pontifex Maximus (Pontiff) directly from Babylon. Another title is Vicarius Filii Dei meaning in the place of God as he calls himself the Holy Father. I see this as being blasphemy.

There is a big difference between father and Father. fathers are leaders in the church called and under the direction of God, but Father is only given to the Father of all creation.

Someone who deems themself higher over others are no different then the Pharisees that loved to be seen of others having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof Jesus says to turn away from such.

Latin root word for religion is bondage, following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because this Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about a mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ. John 1:1-5; Romans 10:9, 10; John 3:3.

Pharisees supported the scribes and Rabbi's in their interpretation of Jewish law handed down by Moses. There were over 613 Levitical laws, not just Ten Commandments. Man had to add on new laws to justify their own deeds. Notice where I said interpretation, this is how many people read the word. The carnal mind cannot perceive the truth of Gods word so instead of allowing the Holy Spirit, John 14:26, to teach them, they would rather have religion teach them. Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

The Pharisees would separate themselves from society, which did not observe the laws of tithing and rituals. The interpretation of the law became more authorative than the law itself. Matthew 9:13 for I am not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance. Matthew 23:1- 39 Jesus first characterizes the Pharisees and then condemns them and laments over the falling away of the church. John 3:1- 12 Jesus explains to Nicodemus, whom was a Pharisee, what one must do in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Note also Romans 10:9, 10.


Nicodemus, Joseph of Aremathaea (Luke 23:50- 53), and Gamaliel (Acts 5:34- 39) were three Pharisees that believed in Christ, but had to hide it for fear of going against the sect. Paul also was a Pharisee that persecuted Christians to death for the sake of the sect (Acts 22).​

The scriptures are there I sent them
No not vicar of God
Vicar of Christ which says nothing about Peter but about Christ, Christ acts vicariously thru Peter and his successors
Jn 15:5 acts 9:4 eph 5:32

 

[donadams]

Just so we're clear, I did not post those scriptures. Apparently you meant them as a rebuttal to my post.

But anyway, God does not give you his grace so you can become righteous by acting righteously. You do not become righteous by acting righteously. That is the works gospel condemned in scripture. Catholicism is a works justification gospel. This is one of the main reasons why the Catholic church had to be abandoned. It is a deceitfully disguised works justification religion in which one becomes righteous in God's sight by doing righteous works. Deceitfully disguised because it teaches that it is by God's grace that you are able to act righteous in order to be righteous.

Jn 15:5
Apart from me you can do nothing!

2 cor 12:9
My grace is sufficient for you!

Phil 4:13
I can do all things in Christ!

Grace requires works to be effective

Not works alone

But members of Christ in grace

Jn 15:5
Apart from me you can do nothing!
The opposite way s also true with Christ we can do everything

 

[for_his_glory]

Eph 2:8 not of yourselves so it must be something Christ has done, what could it be? Hum?
Already accomplished without us… must be the redemption of mankind!

How did Christ make us alive?

No sense in going over this again and again with you as if you do not believe the simplicity in Ephesians 2:8-9 and continue to believe at first it takes faith, works and baptism in order to receive that which is free then you are teaching a different gospel.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I suppose you do not believe this verse either because it does not say works or baptism, but only believe in Jesus.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith is a free gift of God's grace that we receive when we first believe in Christ Jesus. Faith/belief is what leads us to begin the good works of the Lord that we are to walk in. It has nothing to do with immersion in water, but to be Baptized in the baptism of Christ for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire

 

[for_his_glory]

Is Christ king?

What does Christ being King have to do with my post #149. Everyone who are His own knows that Christ is the King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[for_his_glory]

Eph 2:8 not of yourselves so it must be something Christ has done, what could it be? Hum?
Already accomplished without us… must be the redemption of mankind!

How did Christ make us alive?

How are men redeemed, sanctified and made holy before God if not by the blood of the Lamb that was shed for all who by faith, not by works, not by their own righteousness, which faith is the free gift of God's grace to all who will believe in the name of Jesus.

Why do you think that Jesus first characterized the Pharisees and then condemned them as He lamented over Jerusalem in Matthew 23.

 

[donadams]

If this is being addressed to me there are 613 Levitical laws/commandments that God gave for the Jew and Gentile. I'm can list them if you want, but would have to break it down in three different replies.

There are laws (commandments) of God that were especially written just for the Hebrews pertaining to the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.​

No not gonna press you that much just provide a List of scripture?

And a list the ten commandments?

And a List of the commandments mentioned in Matt 28:20 all from scripture alone? Please

 

[donadams]

You need to answer my question in post #139 since you quote out of the NKJV.

Not me
I use the Bible gateway and the KJV

Still nothing about the Catholic Church being the true church in those two scriptures so please quit adding to those verses.

Those who are the salt of the earth are those who are truly in Christ and He in them by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that takes the doctrines of Christ out into the in all truths. Big difference between the doctrines of one's church then the doctrines of Christ. Read about the seven churches in Rev 2-3 as each one needed correction except for the true Church of Philadelphia

The HS leads the apostles into all truth Jn 16:13 then they must teach us
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Thanks

 

[donadams]

Again, define what you mean by the church who wrote the scriptures as scriptures were transcribed from the letters of the Prophets and Apostles to the congregation of the Lord., including Luke

The apostles are the church

 

[donadams]

Apostles are the church eph 2:20

 

[donadams]

That is a whole different thread as we have derailed this thread in which I to am guilty of.

It’s all good no worries