Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

[Stormcrow]

The biggest mistake people make in trying to interpret Matthew 24 is that they start in Matthew 24 and pull a few select verses completely and wildly out of context. Here is the context in which Christ’s words on Olivet MUST be interpreted:

{33} "Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT AND DUG A WINE PRESS IN IT, AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey.

{34} "When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. {35} "The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third.

{36} "Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them.

{37}"But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
{38} "But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.' {39} "They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. {40} "Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?"

{41} They *said to Him, "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons."

{42} Jesus *said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'?

{43} "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. {44} "And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust." {45} When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. Matthew 21:33-45 (NASB)

{34} "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, {35} so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

{36} "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

{37} "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. {38} "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:34-38 (NASB)

{1} Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. {2} And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down." {3} As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" Matthew 24:1-3 (NASB)

{34} "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Matthew 24:34 (NASB)

Everything Christ spoke to the chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees, after He entered Jerusalem for His last Passover here on earth, was to condemn them and foretell of their destruction. This entire series of chapters – from Matthew 21:12 to Matthew 26:1 is all about Jerusalem: the state in which it existed when Christ entered it and the desolate state it would become when He returned in judgment upon it for that generation.

There is no other scriptural or rational way to interpret these passages.

 

[Stormcrow]

{15} The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; {16} but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy. 2 Chronicles 36:15-16 (NASB)

{16} "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. {17} "But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; {18} and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. {19} "But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. {20} "For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. {21} "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. {22} "You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.

{23} "But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes. Matthew 10:16-23 (NASB)

{34} "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, {35} so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

{36}"Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

{37} "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. {38} "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:34-38 (NASB)

Is there anything more that needs to be written or said???

Are Christ's words not perfectly clear???

Why don't people believe them?????

 

[Hitch]

Lots of folks sleep through that part of the movie.

 

[Stormcrow]

Lots of folks sleep through that part of the movie.

"Preterism" doesn't sell books, make movies or scare people into giving away all they have to wait for raptures that don't happen.

"Hucksterism" in the name of Christ is no less shameful than when it's used to sell snake oil.

All that is to say I agree, Hitch.

 

[jasoncran]

:toofunny hucksterism.lol

 

[Hitch]

What is so funny?

The Huck could happen any moment , but the Huck is not the Second advent.

 

[Stormcrow]

huckster [ˈhʌkstə]n1. (Business / Commerce) a person who uses aggressive or questionable methods of selling

"Huckster" is too kind a word for people who push the false hope of an imminent rapture.

This one is better:

charlatan [ˈʃɑːlətən]n someone who professes knowledge or expertise, esp in medicine, that he does not have; quack

This group includes - but is not limited to - Harold Camping, Hal Lindsay, Jack van Impe, Pat Robertson, and any other preacher or teacher pulling Biblical quotes of of context and packaging them for sale in books, movies and on TV.

 

[Hitch]

huckster [ˈhʌkstə]n1. (Business / Commerce) a person who uses aggressive or questionable methods of selling

"Huckster" is too kind a word for people who push the false hope of an imminent rapture.

This one is better:

charlatan [ˈʃɑːlətən]n someone who professes knowledge or expertise, esp in medicine, that he does not have; quack

This group includes - but is not limited to - Harold Camping, Hal Lindsay, Jack van Impe, Pat Robertson, and any other preacher or teacher pulling Biblical quotes of of context and packaging them for sale in books, movies and on TV.

Quackscotology?

 

[smaller]

"Huckster" is too kind a word for people who push the false hope of an imminent rapture.

Believers who hope for the destruction of sin, evil and death are far from hucksters.

Those who do not hold this HOPE have no understanding of eschatology or rapture, and they call others who do 'hucksters?'

lol

It is exactly that HOPE that our faith is founded upon, and is the fulcrum point of the 'great tribulation.'

s

 

[Drew]

Everything Christ spoke to the chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees, after He entered Jerusalem for His last Passover here on earth, was to condemn them and foretell of their destruction. This entire series of chapters – from Matthew 21:12 to Matthew 26:1 is all about Jerusalem: the state in which it existed when Christ entered it and the desolate state it would become when He returned in judgment upon it for that generation.

There is no other scriptural or rational way to interpret these passages.

Although I am not sure what you mean by Jesus "returning in judgment", I suspect that I largely agree with you.

I believe the following:

1. Much, if not all, of this block of text is describing events that will (and did) occur in the immediate aftermath of Jesus' death and resurrection;

2. Having agreed to this, I will also affirm the position that Jesus is yet to "return" in the second coming. However, I believe that references to the "parousia" of Jesus in the Matthew text are actually allusions to his imminent enthronement as King, not to a physical return (which, as stated, I believe lies in the future);

3. There will be no rapture in the sense that most North American evangelicals believe. I believe that a misunderstooding of Paul's careful use of metaphor is responsible for the rapture idea.

 

[smaller]

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

In the days of Noah EVERY SINNER was destroyed from off the earth. Not just a handful of blinded Jews in 70 a.d. who were scattered and killed along with their pile of stones.

EVERY SINNER.

Save the souls in the Ark who were LIFT UP by the same waters that destroyed sinners. The waters that were lifted UP over the destroyed were the SAME WATERS that lifted up the SPARED to LIFE.

This IS how it will be. Not has been, WILL BE.

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

And that end shall also be 'like' the days of Lot.

Psalm 11:6
Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Again, not just a few blinded Jews in 70 a.d. The WICKED.

Much has been pumped about 'shortly' here from the preterism camp. But the destruction of the wicked is spoken of many times throughout the text, and they were not just a few blinded Jews in 70 a.d.

Psalm 37:10
For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Oh lookie...it says A LITTLE WHILE...so it must have already happened?

lol

s

 

[Hitch]

Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

In the days of Noah EVERY SINNER was destroyed from off the earth. Not just a handful of blinded Jews in 70 a.d. who were scattered and killed along with their pile of stones.

EVERY SINNER.

Save the souls in the Ark who were LIFT UP by the same waters that destroyed sinners. The waters that were lifted UP over the destroyed were the SAME WATERS that lifted up the SPARED to LIFE.

This IS how it will be. Not has been, WILL BE.

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

And that end shall also be 'like' the days of Lot.

Psalm 11:6
Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Again, not just a few blinded Jews in 70 a.d. The WICKED.

Much has been pumped about 'shortly' here from the preterism camp. But the destruction of the wicked is spoken of many times throughout the text, and they were not just a few blinded Jews in 70 a.d.

Psalm 37:10
For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Oh lookie...it says A LITTLE WHILE...so it must have already happened?

lol

s

Oh lookie;
With that logical application we should soon expect every one to speak the same language .

 

[Elijah674]

Matt. 24​

[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.

[9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
[10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

OK: Let stop here:
It is documented that the Gospel did indeed go into all of the earth.. or the ENDS OF THE WORLD. Rom. 10:18 + Col. 1:23 after Christ stated Matt. 24:14 above.

And did Christ who was already there speaking, COME? Why NOT???

Did a God that cannot lie.. LIE? Of coursre not! But if one TRUELY BELIEVED God/Christ's WORD, then we would find that Matt. 24 has a REQUIRED DOCUMENTED REPEAT.

And one more time, read Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 + what Inspiration DOCUMENTS AS THEIR TRUTH in Gen. 41:32

Eccl. 1
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

+

Eccl. 3
[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

( + for a VITAL DOCUMENT for how the Godhead would have us understand Their doing's. Gen. 41
[32] And for that the dream was [[doubled unto Pharaoh twice;]] it is because the [[thing is established by God]], and [[God will shortly bring it to pass]].


and again, this Savational Truth is what is being repeated! If the very few times that repeats are not so, God tel's us that seeing that it stays His Truth. Such as the world flood & even Nah. 1:9)

These are ALL DOCUMENTED AS REPEATS!
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
(even notice that here we see Christ being REPLACED with this one just standing there! INVITED! We have NO King but Church + State's Caesar. And repeat? 666)

[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,].

[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should [no flesh] be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.

[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

(and none of these things have happened yet! The start is from verse 21 on. And verse 14 Gospel into all of the World will be done AGAIN per persecution & wittnessed worldwide in TV & Satalite. That is why God has given INCREASED KNOWLEDGE in these [LAST DAYS!] Dan. 12:4 + Hosea 4:6 with the following ones below!

Luke 12
[45] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; (surely 's'piritual 'beatings' + drunk) must be considered! Rev. 17:1-5)

[46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

--Elijah

 

[smaller]

Oh lookie;
With that logical application we should soon expect every one to speak the same language .

Oh lookie, Hitch extrapolates his own imagination and tries to nail someone else with same.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

We certainly wouldn't want any full preterists to have a factual conversation now would we?

s

 

[Hitch]

Oh lookie, Hitch extrapolates his own imagination and tries to nail someone else with same.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

We certainly wouldn't want any full preterists to have a factual conversation now would we?

s

You're slipping small , usually you're not this easily hung.

 

[smaller]

You're slipping small , usually you're not this easily hung.

Throwing out one liners of declarative victory apart from engaging in reason is a waste of your time.

s

 

[Stormcrow]

Although I am not sure what you mean by Jesus "returning in judgment", I suspect that I largely agree with you.

This is something most people don't understand, but it's one of the most important things that help us establish Christ is - in fact - God!

This is going to be a long post, so please bear with me.

Let's review a couple of verses:

In the OT, God sent the people messengers (prophets):

{15} The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place [the Temple]; {16} but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy.

and when God's prophets were mocked and killed, look at what happened:

{17} Therefore He brought up against them the king of the Chaldeans who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion on young man or virgin, old man or infirm; He gave them all into his hand. {18} All the articles of the house of God, great and small, and the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king and of his officers, he brought them all to Babylon. {19} Then they burned the house of God and broke down the wall of Jerusalem, and burned all its fortified buildings with fire and destroyed all its valuable articles. 2 Chronicles 36:15-19 (NASB)

God sent the Babylonians against them in judgment upon them for their wickedness and idolatry (the first 23 chapters or so of Ezekiel detail their sin and what God would do to them at the hands of Babylon.)

This judgment at the hands of Babylon is described by Isaiah this way:

{1} Let me sing now for my well-beloved A song of my beloved concerning His vineyard. My well-beloved had a vineyard on a fertile hill. {2} He dug it all around, removed its stones, And planted it with the choicest vine. And He built a tower in the middle of it And also hewed out a wine vat in it; Then He expected it to produce good grapes, But it produced only worthless ones.

{3} "And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah, Judge between Me and My vineyard. {4} "What more was there to do for My vineyard that I have not done in it? Why, when I expected it to produce good grapes did it produce worthless ones? {5} "So now let Me tell you what I am going to do to My vineyard: I will remove its hedge and it will be consumed; I will break down its wall and it will become trampled ground. {6} "I will lay it waste; It will not be pruned or hoed, But briars and thorns will come up. I will also charge the clouds to rain no rain on it." {7} For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel And the men of Judah His delightful plant. Thus He looked for justice, but behold, bloodshed; For righteousness, but behold, a cry of distress. Isaiah 5:1-7 (NASB)

Look familiar? (Compare it to Matthew 21:33-46.)

Isaiah continues:

{9} Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, Cruel, with fury and burning anger, To make the land a desolation; And He will exterminate its sinners from it. {10} For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light. Isaiah 13:9-10 (NASB)

This judgment - also called the "Day of the Lord" - is described by the prophet Joel like this:

{1} Blow a trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the day of the LORD is coming; Surely it is near, {2} A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness. As the dawn is spread over the mountains, So there is a great and mighty people [Babylon]; There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it To the years of many generations. {3} A fire consumes before them And behind them a flame burns. The land is like the garden of Eden before them But a desolate wilderness behind them, And nothing at all escapes them. Joel 2:1-3 (NASB)

Zephaniah gives us another view of Judah's coming desolation:

{14} Near is the great day of the LORD, Near and coming very quickly; Listen, the day of the LORD! In it the warrior cries out bitterly. {15} A day of wrath is that day, A day of trouble and distress, A day of destruction and desolation, A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Zephaniah 1:14-15 (NASB)

Now, this is where people disconnect the OT from the New: they don't see Christ as God "the righteous judge" (even though He is presented that way in Revelation.)

So look at what Christ tells His disciples and compare it to the very first passage I cited above, 2 Chronicles 36:15-19:

The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers...

"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves... Matthew 10:16-23 (NASB)

He then tells the chief priests:

"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city...Matthew 23:34-38 (NASB)

In the OT, God is seen sending His people messengers. In the NT, Christ is the one seen sending His people messengers. The result was the same:

37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:37-38 (NASB)

So now, with this background in mind, look at the language He uses to describe His coming:

24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25 AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. Mark 13:24-26 (NASB)

Christ describes His second coming using the same language the prophets used to describe God's coming in judgment upon Judah! (Isaiah 13:9-10, Joel 2:1-3, Zephaniah 1:14-15.)

And who would see His coming in this way?

His disciples, for one:

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:28 (NASB)

And the Sanhedrin:

Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Matthew 26:64 (NASB)

Christ came in judgment upon the generation that both crucified Him and persecuted those whom He sent with His gospel. And just as God had used the Babylonians to execute His judgment upon apostate Israel in the OT, Christ used the Romans to execute His judgment upon apostate Israel in the New.

That, by the way, is what much of the book of Revelation is about.

Some may see a "third coming" in the Bible, but I don't. His second coming happened to judge Israel and take the kingdom of God away from them. He reigns now and forever. Amen.

 

[Stormcrow]

Quackscotology?

Yep. And I am now proposing a new theorem: the amount of "duck testing" that must be done to a given post is directly proportional to the amount of "Quackscotology" observed in it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

 

[Hitch]

Yep. And I am now proposing a new theorem: the amount of "duck testing" that must be done to a given post is directly proportional to the amount of "Quackscotology" observed in it.

If its good enough for Dirk Gently its good enough for me.

 

[Elijah674]

It was Christ's prophesy in Matt. 24:21 & then what follows, not mine. I believe it because Christ said it! Which means that His 2nd Coming is shortly!

Matt. 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

(and the News article did not cover much in real [TRIBULATIONS] that we are having! Earthquakes are only one such trib., people are starving by the thousands, and Aids which Tom Brocaw said a short time back was like the Bibical Plagues. And has this killed more or less than then? Rom. 13:11 + Matt. 25 are our times as I see it.

If one would just stop & ask theirself about an 2 Thess. 2:1-3 'falling away' just before Christ Comes Again the Second Time, and then look around in the WORLD News Print & TV News casts, it seems that 'some' even would 'open one eye'??)
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

--Elijah

PS: Just a special note on the above passage. Matt. 24 will have NO 39 years this SECOND TIME around both Christ & Paul's documentation! (Ecc' 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 REPEAT) So Dan's time prophecy will need to be understood as old Israel + New Israel in our 'last day' is to be cut short.

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Me again:

What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality??? A type of jeering & mocking, even taunting?? (prophet Tom Brocaw?) But have at it, whatever your heart desires 'brethern'?

Mods, I suggest that we just close the thread, as it seems to interest but few agreeing with shortness of ones probation, and which can at least be serious in posting replies. (to earths ENDING)

But, cannot any see why God has gone this route of withdrawing the Holy Spirit from many, & allowing satan's 'hell' breaking loose? Isa. 5:4! and then verse 5 is for benefit of only a few with the Lord's last 'wake up call'. (compare Jude 1:22 & 23)

Jude
[22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.