Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

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Me again:

What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality??? A type of jeering & mocking, even taunting?? (prophet Tom Brocaw?) But have at it, whatever your heart desires 'brethern'?

Mods, I suggest that we just close the thread, as it seems to interest but few agreeing with shortness of ones probation, and which can at least be serious in posting replies. (to earths ENDING)

But, cannot any see why God has gone this route of withdrawing the Holy Spirit from many, & allowing satan's 'hell' breaking loose? Isa. 5:4! and then verse 5 is for benefit of only a few with the Lord's last 'wake up call'. (compare Jude 1:22 & 23)

Jude
[22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

You have many legitimate scriptural observations Elijah674. Some, not so much but it remains a 'good' effort to observe on these matters and to watch.

Many have fallen asleep.

s

 

[Hitch]

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Me again:

What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality??? A type of jeering & mocking, even taunting?? (prophet Tom Brocaw?) But have at it, whatever your heart desires 'brethern'?

Mods, I suggest that we just close the thread, as it seems to interest but few agreeing with shortness of ones probation, and which can at least be serious in posting replies. (to earths ENDING)

But, cannot any see why God has gone this route of withdrawing the Holy Spirit from many, & allowing satan's 'hell' breaking loose? Isa. 5:4! and then verse 5 is for benefit of only a few with the Lord's last 'wake up call'. (compare Jude 1:22 & 23)

Jude
[22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

This is a debate forum Eli. Since you dont care to have open responses to your posts I suggest you remember that any ideas presented here can be challenged.

There are sections in this forum that do not allow debate.


Frankly when you refused to define your term you gave away any chance of me taking you seriously;

This is what you posted ;

It was Christ's prophesy in Matt. 24:21 & then what follows, not mine. I believe it because Christ said it! Which means that His 2nd Coming is shortly!


This is what I asked;

But what do you mean shortly? Couple of weeks? Months? How about a time frame so in case this doesnt happen we can compare your prediction with events as they turn out?


I cant see anything in your response that addresses the question ;
But what do you mean shortly?

 

[reba]

God's Word and the news paper headlines just dont mix in my mind/heart.

 

[Stormcrow]

What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality???

Eli...

I have given you a complete list of scriptural references that prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Christ's second coming was in judgment upon Jerusalem. It was not and was never intended to be a "rapture" of the church. In fact, He specifically asked the Father NOT to remove us, but to protect us!

{15} "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. {16} "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. {17} "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. {18} "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. John 17:15-18 (NASB)

{20} "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; John 17:20 (NASB)

So, go back and read post 37 until this all becomes clear to you.

Christ's second coming happened in 70 AD and the Romans were the instrument of His judgment when He came to judge Israel, just as the Father had judged them using the Babylonians in 587 BC.

This was hard for me to accept but given the apostolic view that they were all living in the "last days", the last days can only be seen in this context: the "last days" of Israel as a nation and the "last days" of its priests and people as the sole stewards of God's kingdom. In other words, the "last days" of God's Old Covenant *economy.

I am convinced by God's Word alone that there is no other valid interpretation of these passages.

(*the disposition or regulation of the parts or functions of any organic whole; an organized system or method.)

 

[Stormcrow]

Just for grins, I decided to post reply 37 to a few other boards on the internet. I just found out that one web site moved the thread I started from "End Times Chat" to its "Controversial" section.

I guess the Bible is too controversial for some. 2

 

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God's Word and the news paper headlines just dont mix in my mind/heart.

I don't understand; do you mean that the lame-stream media is not guided by the Holy Spirit?


:toofunny

 

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Just for grins, I decided to post reply 37 to a few other boards on the internet. I just found out that one web site moved the thread I started from "End Times Chat" to its "Controversial" section.

I guess the Bible is too controversial for some. 2

It's probably not so much that as the insistence that God is NOT going to yet deal with sin, evil and death.

No one is disputing that the destruction of the temple isn't noted, but what it 'signifies.' If the people themselves were killed and scattered, that too is a form of destruction, but not a COMPLETE one.

There are in short many flaws to your views. Most of your AVOIDING viewing Gods judgment on the DEMONIC IN those JEWS and instead you focus only on FLESH Jews of the 70AD kind and pieces of stone.

Such shortsighted views are obviously not the entire enchilada.

There is more going on 'within' man than 'just man.' That will remain a point of fact.

s

 

[Stormcrow]

God is NOT going to yet deal with sin, evil and death.

This exemplifies what Hitch means when he notes that the dispy/futurist view takes a notoriously low view of the work of Christ and the cross.

Sin - and by extension - death have already been dealt with. God's redemptive plan is complete in Christ. There is no other way by which man can be saved either then, now, or forever more.

{13} When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, {14} having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:13-14 (NASB)

{29} The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29 (NASB)

{5} You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 1 John 3:5 (NASB)

{56} The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; {57} but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:56-57 (NASB)


{21} He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)

 

[Elijah674]

This is a debate forum Eli. Since you dont care to have open responses to your posts I suggest you remember that any ideas presented here can be challenged.

There are sections in this forum that do not allow debate.


Frankly when you refused to define your term you gave away any chance of me taking you seriously;

Debate? (See Titus 3:9-11.
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.)

Who was concerned from my end with debate? My remark was this I think?..

Me again:
What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) [[And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality???

A type of jeering & mocking, even taunting?? (prophet Tom Brocaw?)]] But have at it, whatever your heart

desires 'brethern'?

And... the Dan. 12:4's modern technology + Hosea 4:6 has one rejecting documented News for the time/frame that we are at present in???? (as illogical! )

Dan.12
[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Hosea 4
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, ... seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Perhaps?? (with a question mark!) some think that God allowed the modern day knowledge of these [last days] with satalite & the world news papers to watch sports as He Inspired to be said 'lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God' + the soap/stuff & commics? (but yes, there is a Heb. 5 to be considered)

--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

Debate? (See Titus 3:9-11.
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.)

Who was concerned from my end with debate? My remark was this I think?..

LOL Little hypocritical eh?

Me again:
What gets me is where are the ones who believe that we are living in the last days at?? Even yesterday 1/5/12 we see the World News telling us of USA record heat this year. (2012 is only 6 day's old) [[And what do we see on this board so far? 'duck testing' mentality???

A type of jeering & mocking, even taunting?? (prophet Tom Brocaw?)]] But have at it, whatever your heart

desires 'brethern'?

I asked you a straight question with regard to a term you used and you dont have the anatomy to render a definition . Pathetic.

And... the Dan. 12:4's modern technology + Hosea 4:6 has one rejecting documented News for the time/frame that we are at present in???? (as illogical! )

Dan.12
[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Hosea 4
[6] My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, ... seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Perhaps?? (with a question mark!) some think that God allowed the modern day knowledge of these [last days] with satalite & the world news papers to watch sports as He Inspired to be said 'lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God' + the soap/stuff & commics? (but yes, there is a Heb. 5 to be considered)

--Elijah

Frankly when you refused to define your term you gave away any chance of me taking you seriously;


When you can go back to post #4.

 

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This exemplifies what Hitch means when he notes that the dispy/futurist view takes a notoriously low view of the work of Christ and the cross.

Sin - and by extension - death have already been dealt with.

Only if one disconnects sin from from the devil or says that the devil has been dealt with and that the operations of the tempter no longer exist. Judgment of the satanic order still remains in the views of most any believer. You have not yet weighed in on this side of the matters and your answers are entirely VOID of addressing anything in that arena. ZERO.

Sin and the so called plan may very well have been dealt with from 'mans' side of the ledger. That does not mean that either sin or death has yet been permanently put away, as any common sense observation could determine and / or that these matters are settled with the Devil.

God's redemptive plan is complete in Christ. There is no other way by which man can be saved either then, now, or forever more.

Presumably then you remain with judgment upon the unsaved. And for what, on what basis?

I don't doubt the sufficiency of God in Christ's redemptive plan for believers. That is not however the 'entirety' of the matters of judgment, finalizing the works and actions of sin and sinners and final judgments. This is also a big reason why your statements are incomplete while claiming completion is fini.

s

 

[Stormcrow]

Not "notoriously low" view of the cross. An "insidiously low" view of it. 2

 

[Hitch]

Looks like the Blue Bird Patrol has run amok again :waving

 

[Elijah674]

LOL Little hypocritical eh? I asked you a straight question with regard to a term you used and you dont have the anatomy to render a definition . Pathetic. Frankly when you refused to define your term you gave away any chance of me taking you seriously;


When you can go back to post #4.

?? 'seriously'? are you kidding anyone? Look, young'in, the posts of yours to me are as mine are to you! OK? Got that? And I am not talking about anything personal.
Most children understand that the Word of God states that a day with God is as a 1000 yrs & a 1000 years as one day. Anything 'less' than a full load of bricks is not a full load & nears the END.

--Yours truely

 

[Hitch]

?? 'seriously'? are you kidding anyone? Look, young'in, the posts of yours to me are as mine are to you! OK? Got that? And I am not talking about anything personal.

I am , I am and have been seeking nothing from you except the definition of the term you used,as you used it highlighted below ;

Most children understand that the Word of God states that a day with God is as a 1000 yrs & a 1000 years as one day.

THE QUESTION WAS REGARDING YOUR TERM AND HOW YOU USED IT HERE;
It was Christ's prophesy in Matt. 24:21 & then what follows, not mine. I believe it because Christ said it! Which means that His 2nd Coming is shortly!

YOU HAVE PROVEN TOO AFRAID TO STAND BY YOUR OWN CHOSEN TERM REFUSING TO GIVE DEFINITION.. YOU ARE A LAUGHINGSTOCK.

Anything 'less' than a full load of bricks is not a full load & nears the END.

--Yours truely

see post #4

 

[Stormcrow]

a day with God is as a 1000 yrs & a 1000 years as one day.

Peter also wrote this:

{20} For He [Christ] was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you {21} who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:20-21 (NASB)

And this:

{7} The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

And this:

{17} For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17 (NASB)

Do you think Peter knew the end was near?

Do you know more than he?

 

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Peter also wrote this:

{20} For He [Christ] was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you {21} who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 1 Peter 1:20-21 (NASB)

And this:

{7} The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer. 1 Peter 4:7 (NASB)

And this:

{17} For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17 (NASB)

Do you think Peter knew the end was near?

Do you know more than he?

You and Hitch merely dance around the facts. Perhaps you even think yourself 'sinless' via the Cross?

IN full preterism Peter's Words are not applicable to N.T. believers anyway, so why bother to quote same?

However if you sin or have sin, then judgment is not off the table for that working.

s

 

[Elijah674]

You and Hitch merely dance around the facts. Perhaps you even think yourself 'sinless' via the Cross?

IN full preterism Peter's Words are not applicable to N.T. believers anyway, so why bother to quote same?

However if you sin or have sin, then judgment is not off the table for that working.

s

And these Record Books are recorded 'at present' yet, are not FINISHED yet. (all still have 'time' to repent) Unless they have passed the boundarary line as seen in Heb. 6:1-6.

--Elijah

 

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And these Record Books are recorded 'at present' yet, are not FINISHED yet. (all still have 'time' to repent) Unless they have passed the boundarary line as seen in Heb. 6:1-6.

--Elijah

It is one thing to turn from evil and it's works. It's quite another to say we don't have any. The first is good, the last is a lie.

PS: Are these two thinking that they are Christ?

There are many falsehoods presented in full preterism. I point to just a few factual discrepancies. They play their full-preterist positions and dodge the points contrary to their positions.

Typical religious jousting. Just as we may have. I try to subject my own positions to the harshest of criticisms. It things are true, then they deserve an honest challenge and test to prove so. I dislike dishonesty.

s

 

[reba]

Knock off the personal attacks ! I have deleted a couple!

You all know the drill

Guess you all need to type out The Beatitudes no copy and paste