Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

[Sinthesis]

refresh my mind on the tabernacle of david. if i recall that was temporary home for the ark of the covenant after it was recovered from philitistia.

no the jews look for the third temple that isnt going to be destroyed. often when i read their views is see often what we call the second advent

there are two way of describing the lord.

ben david, and ben joseph. the later is what first came and the former will come when the judgment of man and sin and death are removed.

the jews no longer look for messiah ben joseph.

Pity; because Ben David's historical type wasn't allowed to build God's Temple, even though he desired to. So today's Jews just enjoy waiting for an earthly physical manifestation of that perpetual disappointment.

 

[Elijah674]

Paul advised us clearly on what we are to look for and anticipate, and no, it does not revolve around the events that took place in Jerusalem in 70 a.d.

Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

We all still await this matter. We all still groan within ourselves because of the presence of SIN. The 'redemption price' has been paid by His Own Blood.

The redemption of the body has not yet transpired. The 'great tribulation' will happen first. That will be the RIPPING AWAY of the workings and workers of SIN and INIQUITY. The great earthquake speaks to this exact division. It is a 'personal' matter to everyone who will be upon the earth at the time it transpires.

We should not FEAR this matter. It will happen, it will be DIRE. But it also will be the final separation and destruction of the causes of EVIL, the devil and his messengers and the REDEMPTION of our body.

If you read John's writing to the 7 churches, all seven churches have the workings of Satan identified therein. God Himself will make this matter known to every church member.

When the BODY sees, then the EVENTS will come about, and quickly.

Watch, pray, prepare to MEET PERFECTION.

When TRUTH comes into YOUR TEMPLE you will have TEARS. That is the MEAT that you will be FED. The meat of TEARS. You will understand 'why' you and all of us are poor, pitiful, blind and naked.

And you will be COVERED. But there will also be an UNCOVERING as well, that you may see.

Rev. 3:
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The Great Tribulation WILL COME upon the 'whole world.'

May we be quickly DIVIDED.

There will be only ONE CHURCH spared, that of Philadelphia, BROTHERLY LOVE.

Rev. 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The hour of temptation did not arrive in 70 a.d. It remains to come upon THE WORLD and will TRY them therein, those who dwell upon 'the earth.'

And ALL the 'tribes of the earth' shall MOAN and SHALL CRY! Because it will be THEIR ending.

s

Hi! Very well spoken!
We see the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who [are the Abomination of the EARTH]. So they are not one of the Rev. 3's 7 Virgin Church's. Then we have the END Time also seen with Rev. 3:7-16's last two organized 'CANDELSTICK' Virgin churchs in doctrines. The SHAKING TAKES PLACE HERE & the Spewed OUT ones become the synagogue of satan (ibid 9) while verse 10 finds these ones kept from this 'hour of temption.' And are identified in Rev. 12:17. Yes, they are the Phil. ones!

--Elijah

 

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Hi! Very well spoken!
We see the Rev. 17:1-5 ones who [are the Abomination of the EARTH]. So they are not one of the Rev. 3's 7 Virgin Church's. Then we have the END Time also seen with Rev. 3:7-16's last two organized 'CANDELSTICK' Virgin churchs in doctrines. The SHAKING TAKES PLACE HERE & the Spewed OUT ones become the synagogue of satan (ibid 9) while verse 10 finds these ones kept from this 'hour of temption.' And are identified in Rev. 12:17. Yes, they are the Phil. ones!

--Elijah

I do not desire to see 'differently' than any 'church member' Elijah. I do not for example believe that the 'trial' being spoken of is going to revolve around whether or NOT I believe that the Sabbath starts at a certain hour on Friday. The Law has convinced me entirely that I do not avoid the findings thereof by claiming sinless obedience to same. Quite the opposite.

I understand my present condition oh so well and do not seek to avoid those findings of LAW. Under the Law I stand as a condemned man, wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. Perpetually then also in DIRE NEED of my Savior and also standing in GREAT FEAR of same.

I will not come before Him as a liar and would not expect His Blessings to be poured out apart from the facts in His Hands. The Law has shown me my condition. It is quite fruitless to try to make my sin sinless or obedient. I no longer have that false expectation.

May The Left Hand of God fall hard and fast on ALL His enemies in JUDGMENTS DIRE.

s

 

[Elijah674]

I do not desire to see 'differently' than any 'church member' Elijah. I do not for example believe that the 'trial' being spoken of is going to revolve around whether or NOT I believe that the Sabbath starts at a certain hour on Friday. The Law has convinced me entirely that I do not avoid the findings thereof by claiming sinless obedience to same. Quite the opposite.

I understand my present condition oh so well and do not seek to avoid those findings of LAW. Under the Law I stand as a condemned man, wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. Perpetually then also in DIRE NEED of my Savior and also standing in GREAT FEAR of same.

I will not come before Him as a liar and would not expect His Blessings to be poured out apart from the facts in His Hands. The Law has shown me my condition. It is quite fruitless to try to make my sin sinless or obedient. I no longer have that false expectation.

May The Left Hand of God fall hard and fast on ALL His enemies in JUDGMENTS DIRE.

s

It is my understanding that Christ (MOTIVE & TESTING) made it very simple? He said.. 'IF' ye LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS' And of course, it is CHRIST THAT SAVES, (Acts 4:12) yet, we will be tested on LOVING OBEDIENCE as 'i' see it. Rev. 3:16-17 finds that a LUKEWARM profession of love for Christ will find 'me' Spewed out as [sickening to Him].

And your other remarks? I personally see for myself that we will soon know what the 666 test is. I find the moving forward of the Matt. 24:21's prophecy is what will have the Broadway ones (+) doing about anything to have God remove the curse (the removing of the Holy Spirit) that they are entering. Except repent.

And most agree on just one mostly unified false doctrine even now.

But we do agree on Rev. 3:10's 'Kept ones' right?

 

[n2thelight]

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There will be only ONE CHURCH spared, that of Philadelphia, BROTHERLY LOVE.

Great post,but you missed the other Church......Smyrna...

 

[Elijah674]

Re: Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

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There will be only ONE CHURCH spared, that of Philadelphia, BROTHERLY LOVE.
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Agreed! --Elijah


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But we do agree on Rev. 3:10's 'Kept ones' right?

As long as you continue to see yourself apart from the workings of lawlessness which is of the tempter, NOT YOU, you will see 'yourself' as a kept one.

The fact is we all carry that which will NOT be kept, but DESTROYED.

s

 

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Great post,but you missed the other Church......Smyrna...

If you read you will see the TWO EDGED SWORD being swung in ALL the churches, one side uplifting the children of God and the other side putting down the workings of SATAN in the churches, meaning also 'in each member.'

Those who hear will hear this fact. Those who do not hear seek 'personal exemption' from the fact. There are no personal exemptions. We all have sin, the tempter operates in the minds of mankind, so there is the other party that is FACTUALLY going to be utterly destroyed. IN PEOPLES HEARTS.

Love is the Overcomer in us, dividing us from that other working and shown in the Church of brotherly love who will be 'kept' from that trial. They will be kept from that trial because LOVE is already in them, has made the factual determination and DIVISION from that other working and we learn how important it is to overcome by the truth of our testimony and the NEED of His Love unto us and unto others. The division then has already developed in such truth carriers, even while awaiting the 'separation' as a FINAL REALITY of REVELATION which is in effect the REVEALING OF CHRIST in US.

s

 

[reba]

Get back to topic or start a new thread.....

 

[Elijah674]

It was Christ's prophesy in Matt. 24:21 & then what follows, not mine. I believe it because Christ said it! Which means that His 2nd Coming is shortly!

Matt. 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

(and the News article did not cover much in real [TRIBULATIONS] that we are having! Earthquakes are only one such trib., people are starving by the thousands, and Aids which Tom Brocaw said a short time back was like the Bibical Plagues. And has this killed more or less than then? Rom. 13:11 + Matt. 25 are our times as I see it.

If one would just stop & ask theirself about an 2 Thess. 2:1-3 'falling away' just before Christ Comes Again the Second Time, and then look around in the WORLD News Print & TV News casts, it seems that 'some' even would 'open one eye'??)
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

--Elijah

PS: Just a special note on the above passage. Matt. 24 will have NO 39 years this SECOND TIME around both Christ & Paul's documentation! (Ecc' 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 REPEAT) So Dan's time prophecy will need to be understood as old Israel + New Israel in our 'last day' is to be cut short.

Well lets try it again then?;) (me again)
I see Matt; 24:14 the second repeat required time around (the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15) done in a matter of months. Millions of people can & will have this 'wittness'...
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and [[then shall the end come]].

And as 'i' see it, this is our time to WAKE UP! (Matt. 25:5-6 + Rom. 13:11 high time to WAKE UP!) And God will see to it that [all will do so!]

So again: Matt. 24:21 on...

[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and [[shall shew great signs and wonders;]] insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

OK: Note that this abomination is not 70 AD as some claim. What makes the ex/Holy Place an ABOMINATION?? (Note Matt. 23:38!) And who took over when Christ was [PUT OUT & EXECUTED?] +, what was His ex/church documenting?? 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASAR' (see Rev. 3:9!)

And, note the verse again.. 'stand in the holy place' No fight! No problem whatsoever seen, just standing there.. INVITED!

So this is where satan makes his last stand from! And how will Christ fulfill Matt. 24:14 this time around?? Just think how quickly He would of had this huge population worldwide being wittnessed to with the latter rain (Acts 3:19) + His LAST DAY KNOWLEDGE being used through His own few, being persecuted! (By World wide Satalite)

And who will WAKE UP?? Note Rev. 7:9.... Yet, these ones are not the ones of Rev. 17:1-5.
It is prophesied that NOTHING could AWAKEN them. For they are the ones who again are crucifying Christ afresh & putting Him to an OPEN SHAME in the Mark of the Beast Church/State Ending of it all. See Heb. 6:6 What is New, God ask's? Eccl. 3:15's NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN He DOCUMENTS!

--Elijah

 

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Not much point in dialog on the great tribulation if one can't go into the book of Rev. or the time of Jacobs trouble as if they are not topical matters.

s

 

[Elijah674]

Not much point in dialog on the great tribulation if one can't go into the book of Rev. or the time of Jacobs trouble as if they are not topical matters.

s

Perhaps what was meant, was for us to tie it up into what is the Lord's ENDTIME WAKEUP CRY?? (Matt. 25's parable was histories first Wake/Up Cry) Even note verse 29 below. [[SURELY I COME QUICKLY]] Meaning what? Meaning that it is past time for Christ's OWN to be AWAKENED in repeated history! And what does one see? We see some in 'last day prophecy' mocking these Word's of Inspiration.

[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

And this is END TIME Prophecy! OK: Is it not time to wake up? Surely, but it will take Matt. 24:21 [[GREAT TRIBULATION]] to have most do so!

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.) Matthew 24.

There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it...Joel 2:2 (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time Daniel 12:1 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.)

{9} ~'And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again. Ezekiel 5:9 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

Christ's words - like those of the prophets before Him - were spoken about the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Elijah674]

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.) Matthew 24.

There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it...Joel 2:2 (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time Daniel 12:1 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.)

{9} ~'And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again. Ezekiel 5:9 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

Christ's words - like those of the prophets before Him - were spoken about the destruction of Jerusalem.

Lovingly friend, there is just no way that 'i' could agree with that.
That is only the first time which God gave DOCUMENTED INSPIRATION that a type of 70 AD will again [escalate right up to Christ's Second Comming]. Go back & re/read the post on Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 & Gen. 41:32 for [this Inspiration], not my words.

Matt. 24:21's WAKE UP CALL is the REPEAT of Matt. 10:5-6 on to Laodicea (+ Rev. 18:4 ones from Rev. 17:1-5) And only Phil. (Acts new extension!) were the ones to heed Christ message. (that of the Matt. 25:6 WAKE/UP CALL! note verse 10's CLOSED DOOR ibid!) And can you think of an earlier (Eccl. 1:9-10) closed door of earth probation with/out a [LOVING wake/up call]??

70 AD was 39 yrs. up in time, Christ + Paul stated that [this time] it was to be 'CUT SHORT IN RIGHTOUSNESS', note Peter in Acts 3:19..
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, [[when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord]];

So again, with the Holy Spirit as in Gen. 6:3 STRIVING, the earlier WAKE UP CALL for 120 years with Noah's preaching ='s the Rev. 17:1:5 ones who have been around way past any 120 yrs. & are prophesied TRUTHFULLY as what?

And THEN the 'STORM CAME'. The repeat of our Matt. 24:21 escalation time!

--Elijah

 

[Stormcrow]

Lovingly friend, there is just no way that 'i' could agree with that.

Then you put yourself at odds with God's words, not mine.

 

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Then you put yourself at odds with God's words, not mine.

Gods Words only as run through the sifter of full preterism you mean.

I would bank that if a person focused only on things you can see with your eyes, that's ALL you'd see.

go figure.

There is no man so blind as he that thinks he sees.

Any believer in Truth bows to partial blindness at a MINIMUM, because it's a fact of scripture and to be TRUTHFUL you sometimes have to admit to it.

And then the STORM came....nice prophesy there Elijah! Oops. Some didn't see it and some won't see it even if they read it.


s

 

[John 8:32]

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.) Matthew 24.

There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be again after it...Joel 2:2 (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time Daniel 12:1 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.)

{9} ~'And because of all your abominations, I will do among you what I have not done, and the like of which I will never do again. Ezekiel 5:9 (NASB) (on the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians.)

Christ's words - like those of the prophets before Him - were spoken about the destruction of Jerusalem.

It does not take an historical genius to figure out that WWII was much worse than WWI which was much worse than the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

 

[Stormcrow]

It does not take an historical genius to figure out that WWII was much worse than WWI which was much worse than the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

And it doesn't take a literary genius to figure out that not one of those verses was written to a 21st century American audience.

In other words, every one of those verses was written long before WWII, WWI, the American Civil War, the Crusades, etc., etc., etc.

Passages about Jews from Jews for Jews living thousands of years ago?

Go figure?

 

[John 8:32]

And it doesn't take a literary genius to figure out that not one of those verses was written to a 21st century American audience.

In other words, every one of those verses was written long before WWII, WWI, the American Civil War, the Crusades, etc., etc., etc.

Passages about Jews from Jews for Jews living thousands of years ago?

Go figure?

If the Bible is not written to the 21st century American audience, why are you reading or quoting it?

Passages about all, from God for all in any time frame.

 

[Elijah674]

So far these 'false teachers' have had very little 'real' success with the ellect. But the Lord's prophecy has it that as 'far fetched' as it has been so far, satan & his will have much more sucess with what follows this verse of Matt. 24:21 on!

Matt. 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and [[[shall shew great signs and wonders;]]] insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And as told 'us' before, Christ comes after 'the working of satan with all power and signs and lying wonders! 2 Thess. 2:9-10

[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

--Elijah