Matt. 24:21 Wake Up Call?

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Inspiration say it 100% opposite to that [posting!}--> Rev. 3

I have no idea what you think you are hearing in that post. I was pointing to the 'very real' fact that the tempter tempts IN MIND placing that presence within our MINDS and that we cannot say we have NO SIN and be in TRUTH, which same SIN is of the DEVIL.

So, do the math. One of you is getting in the door. The other, not a chance.

You can claim all the legality and obedience you care to from the above. None of that will dodge the facts as stated re: sin, temptation, tempter WITH man and that presence will never obey OR get in. The 'great tribulation' is exactly meant to RIP that working from within us.

God addressed these facts to ALL seven of the Rev. churches.

I won't be stepping forward unto God in Christ as a liar about these facts expecting to receive via LYING. That ain't gonna happen for either of us.

You are welcome to avoid the conclusions. Not my yob.

s

 

[Elijah674]

I have no idea what you think you are hearing in that post. I was pointing to the 'very real' fact that the tempter tempts IN MIND placing that presence within our MINDS and that we cannot say we have NO SIN and be in TRUTH, which same SIN is of the DEVIL.

So, do the math. One of you is getting in the door. The other, not a chance.

You can claim all the legality and obedience you care to from the above. None of that will dodge the facts as stated re: sin, temptation, tempter WITH man and that presence will never obey OR get in. The 'great tribulation' is exactly meant to RIP that working from within us.

God addressed these facts to ALL seven of the Rev. churches.

I won't be stepping forward unto God in Christ as a liar about these facts expecting to receive via LYING. That ain't gonna happen for either of us.

You are welcome to avoid the conclusions. Not my yob.

s

You are about as clear 'to me' as mud in this post????? Are you saying that there is NO WAKE/UP WARNING??

And sin? James 1
[12] [Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him]
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[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


It appears that these of verse.. (are the ones who are AWAKE)
[12] [Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him]

And for more WAKE/UP Requirements??
John 14 is clearly stated..
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and [[the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me]].

---Elijah

 

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You are about as clear 'to me' as mud in this post????? Are you saying that there is NO WAKE/UP WARNING??

And sin? James 1
[12] [Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him]
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[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
It appears that these of verse.. (are the ones who are AWAKE)
[12] [Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him]

And for more WAKE/UP Requirements??
John 14 is clearly stated..
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and [[the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me]].

---Elijah

Elijah, unless and until you get real about the fact that the tempter enters your own heart to steal the Word, you will not understand. You are not alone when that happens and it DOES happen. It's only a question of whether you believe Jesus Words or not. Jesus said where The Word is sown, the TEMPTER enters the HEART. This is just a FACT my friend, and a FACT that the tempter does not 'like' you to apply 'personally.'

When you understand this fact, you may be able to speak honestly about the fact that it is a FACT.

You and the TEMPTER can NOT stand under ANY LAW claiming JUSTIFICATION. It's not possible for 'the other party.'

enjoy!

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[Elijah674]

Elijah, unless and until you get real about the fact that the tempter enters your own heart to steal the Word, you will not understand. You are not alone when that happens and it DOES happen. It's only a question of whether you believe Jesus Words or not. Jesus said where The Word is sown, the TEMPTER enters the HEART. This is just a FACT my friend, and a FACT that the tempter does not 'like' you to apply 'personally.'

When you understand this fact, you may be able to speak honestly about the fact that it is a FACT.

You and the TEMPTER can NOT stand under ANY LAW claiming JUSTIFICATION. It's not possible for 'the other party.'

enjoy!

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You say.. quote:
'It's only a question of whether you believe Jesus Words or not. Jesus said where The Word is sown, the TEMPTER enters the HEART.' [unquote]

Just a couple questions by me. Where is that verse found?? (See Rev. 22:18-19)​

And next, how is that related to the subject, [if not that we need a wake/up proding?]

--Elijah

 

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You say.. quote:
'It's only a question of whether you believe Jesus Words or not. Jesus said where The Word is sown, the TEMPTER enters the HEART.' [unquote]

Just a couple questions by me. Where is that verse found?? (See Rev. 22:18-19)​

And next, how is that related to the subject, [if not that we need a wake/up proding?]

--Elijah

Elijah, all have sin and sin is of the devil, the tempter. Even thoughts of SIN are SIN. If you need quotes for these matters considering yourself an old sage and all, what can I say?

Tribulations come from that matter being A SOLID FACT, and yes, even with 'all' believers.

s

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah, all have sin and sin is of the devil, the tempter. Even thoughts of SIN are SIN. If you need quotes for these matters considering yourself an old sage and all, what can I say?

Tribulations come from that matter being A SOLID FACT, and yes, even with 'all' believers.

s

????? and what is 'old sage mean';) It seems that this is going 'about' nowhere. And I am talking about the forums. So I think that I will just give more time to my tape & CD work.

If one will not post Christ's Word's for their 'teachings' there is a problem. And His Word of James 1 is not as you say!

[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then [when lust hath conceived], it bringeth forth sin: and sin, [when it [[[is finished]], bringeth forth death.]

And surely as you post, this is still over your head. One time you said that you understood what I was saying?? Well friend, you sure do not post as one understanding this 'documentation from Christ'!! If you did, you could understand 'FINISHED SIN' a start & FINISH [[AS IN MATURITY!]] Perhaps another verse or two will help?

1 John 5 has the Born Again ones from verse one on. (Read them ALL prayerfully!) These are they who only accept the ETERNAL CONDITIONS (Commandments) that God Himself penned. (Isa. 8:20) All POWER is GIVEN to these ones [[[TO MATURE!]] (Got that? Phil. 4:13) 'See' if you can SEE what any 'sin not unto death' is for [ALL OF] these from verse one on is??

[16] If any man see [his brother sin] a [sin which is not unto death,] he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

God's Born again ones makes mistakes all the time, and yes, some mistakes are sin. During the night in dreams, + other ways. (See Psalms 19:13 for how they become FINISHED!) But the point is, is that they go forward (Rom. 8:14) into MATURITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. And it was not the one or two mistakes that was the problem, but it's mature finish! And who of the ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH CHURCH'S have done so in changing any of their very false doctrines for well past 120 years of the Holy Spirits STRIVINGS!????? So their MATURITY at their ENDING'S FINISH has this [[WAKEUP CALL MIDNIGHT CRY]] for the benifit of these of Rev. 18:4's [[few!]]

And??? Who of them even hear the few WORDS of Christ above, let alone UNDERSTAND THEM??? Just that Rev. 18:4 few.

--Elijah

 

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????? and what is 'old sage mean';) It seems that this is going 'about' nowhere. And I am talking about the forums. So I think that I will just give more time to my tape & CD work.

If one will not post Christ's Word's for their 'teachings' there is a problem. And His Word of James 1 is not as you say!
--Elijah

What? You really need me to look up scriptures for you saying that we all have sin and sin is of the devil? Surely you jest?

Shouldn't we all seek the tribulation of DIVISION?

Food for thought. I'm not about to hide behind some phony wall of obedience and claim I don't have sin, all the while railing on others to OBEY LIKE ME and you will be spared.

I don't expect to be spared. The Sword will DIVIDE, quick and sharp.

Reflect on these matters however you will. It does not good to avoid The Truth.

s

 

[Stormcrow]

You also have been avoiding like the plague addressing this particular matter in a simple straight forward manner:

Do you believe the devil is no longer an operational entity as in tempting and spiritually blinding mankind and was sent to the lake of fire in 70a.d?

I understand why you flee this, as what you hold may be outside of most orthodox understandings. I'd expect in all your honest and truthful claims you may muster up a straight answer on this subject at some point?

s

[FONT=&quot]{1} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, {2} who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. {3} Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
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[FONT=&quot]{4} John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, {5} and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— {6} and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:1-6 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{10} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]~'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. {11} ~'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. Revelation 3:10-11 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{6} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. Revelation 22:6 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{7} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book." Revelation 22:7 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{10} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Revelation 22:10 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{12} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. {13} "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:12-13 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]{20} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20 (NASB)
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[FONT=&quot]I believe it’s encumbent on you to show he wasn’t.[/FONT]

 

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[FONT=&quot]I believe it’s encumbent on you to show he wasn’t.[/FONT]

You cite a series of scriptures, NONE of which I disagree with, but your conclusions remain without clear statements, as if you expect people to read what in your own mind as unstated and not revealed whatsoever.

So, no more devil? All gone bye bye to the Lake of Fire and operating no more? How many times does one have to politely ask to get a straight answer of yes or no?

s

 

[reba]

How about we share/talk about etc., what we believe, understand, think, feel etc..
How about we DONT try and make sure we change the other guys mind and prove we are right... That job belongs to Our Comforter and Teacher the Holy Spirit. reba

 

[John 8:32]

[FONT=&quot]{1} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, {2} who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. {3} Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{4} John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, {5} and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— {6} and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:1-6 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{10} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]~'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. {11} ~'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. Revelation 3:10-11 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{6} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. Revelation 22:6 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{7} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book." Revelation 22:7 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{10} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Revelation 22:10 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{12} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. {13} "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:12-13 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]{20} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I believe it’s encumbent on you to show he wasn’t.[/FONT]

When do you suppose those scriptures were fulfilled, if they are not yet future?

 

[Elijah674]

When do you suppose those scriptures were fulfilled, if they are not yet future?

Hey John, when & what do you think this verse of Rev. 3:10 applies to?

{10} ~'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon [[[the whole world]], to test those who dwell on the earth. {11} ~'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. Revelation 3:10-11 (NASB)

 

[Stormcrow]

You cite a series of scriptures, NONE of which I disagree with, but your conclusions remain without clear statements, as if you expect people to read what in your own mind as unstated and not revealed whatsoever.

I should think the answer is obvious given the passages I presented. The entire work of Revelation is peppered throughout and book-ended by statements pointing to Christ's imminent return, just as the entire NT is peppered with these same kinds of statements.

Given that His return would send Satan to the lake of fire, and given that His return was prophesied to be "near" and "soon" for John and his readers, there can only be one obvious answer.

You may not accept it, but that puts you squarely at odds with Christ and the apostles, all of whom were teaching of His return in their lifetime.

[FONT=&quot]To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father[/FONT]

As to the question of whether sin has been dealt with, I'll simply ask this: was Christ's death on the cross sufficient to deal with the problem of sin?

If not, what else do you expect Him to do? If so, why are you looking for something else?

End of discussion.

 

[Stormcrow]

When do you suppose those scriptures were fulfilled, if they are not yet future?

You tell me.

 

[n2thelight]

I should think the answer is obvious given the passages I presented. The entire work of Revelation is peppered throughout and book-ended by statements pointing to Christ's imminent return, just as the entire NT is peppered with these same kinds of statements.

Given that His return would send Satan to the lake of fire, and given that His return was prophesied to be "near" and "soon" for John and his readers, there can only be one obvious answer.

You may not accept it, but that puts you squarely at odds with Christ and the apostles, all of whom were teaching of His return in their lifetime.

[FONT=&quot]To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father[/FONT]

As to the question of whether sin has been dealt with, I'll simply ask this: was Christ's death on the cross sufficient to deal with the problem of sin?

If not, what else do you expect Him to do? If so, why are you looking for something else?

End of discussion.

So why is there still sin in the world?

 

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I should think the answer is obvious given the passages I presented. The entire work of Revelation is peppered throughout and book-ended by statements pointing to Christ's imminent return, just as the entire NT is peppered with these same kinds of statements.

Given that His return would send Satan to the lake of fire, and given that His return was prophesied to be "near" and "soon" for John and his readers, there can only be one obvious answer.

You may not accept it, but that puts you squarely at odds with Christ and the apostles, all of whom were teaching of His return in their lifetime.

[FONT=&quot]To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father[/FONT]

As to the question of whether sin has been dealt with, I'll simply ask this: was Christ's death on the cross sufficient to deal with the problem of sin?

If not, what else do you expect Him to do? If so, why are you looking for something else?

End of discussion.

It's been a long while since I've seen such crazy dodging.

You know exactly why I ask you if THE DEVIL, not SIN has been dealt with. Because your whole chicken dance end times scenario revolves around 70 a.d. being the finale of END TIMES JUDGMENTS.

HOWever if Satan and DEVILS still operate via temptation and are involved with EVERY SIN just as the scriptures teach us all, then your little game construct pretty much evaporates and goes to the dust bin of imaginations. So is it a Yes or a NO??? I'd like the actual answer to cross your fingers in cyberspace for the record SO I can point to that from time to time as a difference in our views.

You say there can be only ONE obvious answer? lol. Try actually giving a YES or NO answer and stop riding the little evasion pony around the threads.

WAS THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS SENT TO THE LAKE OF FIRE IN 70 A.D?

Yes or No?

s

 

[Stormcrow]

Couple things:

This isn't an inquisition. I owe you nothing more than I have given you. What part of "end of discussion" isn't perfectly clear?

I've addressed your question with what Revelation says. If you can't accept the answer John provides, I can't help you. You're on your own.

Over and out.

 

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Couple things:

This isn't an inquisition.

HA! Requesting 'truthful' and 'forthright' answer to simple question is now an inquisition? Thanks for the chuckle...

I owe you nothing more than I have given you. What part of "end of discussion" isn't perfectly clear?

What part of Dodge are you from again?

:yes

 

[Elijah674]

What? You really need me to look up scriptures for you saying that we all have sin and sin is of the devil? Surely you jest?

Shouldn't we all seek the tribulation of DIVISION?

Food for thought. I'm not about to hide behind some phony wall of obedience and claim I don't have sin, all the while railing on others to OBEY LIKE ME and you will be spared.

I don't expect to be spared. The Sword will DIVIDE, quick and sharp.

Reflect on these matters however you will. It does not good to avoid The Truth.

s

It seems that this is above most ones decernment?
[18] We know that [whosoever is born of God sinneth not]; but [he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not].
(and you say otherwise and surely there is a 'legal/law' qualification there!)

1 John 5
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
[9] And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

What? You really need me to look up scriptures for you saying that we all have sin and sin is of the devil? Surely you jest?

Shouldn't we all seek the tribulation of DIVISION?

Food for thought. I'm not about to hide behind some phony wall of obedience and claim I don't have sin, all the while railing on others to OBEY LIKE ME and you will be spared.

I don't expect to be spared. The Sword will DIVIDE, quick and sharp.

Reflect on these matters however you will. It does not good to avoid The Truth.

s

It seems that this is above most ones decernment?
[18] We know that [whosoever is born of God sinneth not]; but [he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not].
(and you say otherwise and surely there is a 'legal/law' qualification there!)

1 John 5
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
[9] And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

--Elijah